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Parent - By Zruty (*****) Date 2008-08-07 14:28

>Just remove many of the features in Aquarium and you will have Aquarium Lite.


That's what I was secretly dreaming of during the last year :)
Parent - - By Victor Zakharov (*****) Date 2008-08-07 15:54 Edited 2008-08-07 16:12
Thanks, the idea of the implementation of another program with outstanding design and with small set of features is on the way. But we want to show how we see the work of a serious chess player with the serious engine. It is not the advertisment but did you try the IDeA? It is very good to long time games.

Comparing with other GUIs can't be done when you know one program well and doesn't know another program. Experienced users start to do some actions simply by hands without head. So it is easy. Facing with other GUI a man simply doesn't know what to do feeling himself like idiot. Don't you see this video (sorry, I don't know is there this one with English translation). It is hard to start using books after using rolls.

Surely Chess Assistant was used for playing correspondence games and many people found it is powerfull and comfortable. Just they needed time to understand it and to provide the knowledge for their hands.

You wrote:
'Delete variation in a game is unnecessarily complicated in CA9."

Do clicking "Scissors" button and then "OK" is too complex for deleting the variation? Or the same action by pressing Del key and Enter key?
Parent - By Victor Zakharov (*****) Date 2008-08-07 16:11
Chess Assistant has two main problems: 1) extremly poor descriptions, 2) complicated design.

Aquairum is subset of Chess Assistant but with completly another design. The goal was to provide simple implementation of popular functions and excluding those that can't be implemented easily. Partially this was done, partially this remained un-implemented. But we have full determination to follow users' feedbacks and to implement the popular features fast (without making the program more complex). Let's see how this will work. There were highly usefull feedbacks already.
Parent - - By cma6 (****) Date 2008-08-07 16:26
Thanks, Victor, I will try IDeA when I can figure it out. Hopefully, it is in the manual. 

I am delighted that you are working on an Aquarium Lite. I  will definitely buy it as soon as it comes out. In any case, my time spend learning Aquarium will not be wasted, as I can use the knowledge gained in Aquarium Lite.

  One of the biggest assets to the Convekta team is Dadi Johnson. His tutorial on ChessCafe on "Infinite Analysis with Rybka Aquarium" is a masterful job.

  To give you an example of the kind of feature we need in Aquarium Lite but don't have in Aquarium, consider this from p. 1 of Dadi's article.
"Aquarium automatically displays the analysis pane only when you are actually analyzing. When you are not analyzing," the analysis pane disappears.
  
But when the analysis is completed in the pane is exactly when the player needs the pane open so he can decide how many, if any, plies he wants to add manually to the tree.  In Aquarium I find I have to write down the analysis when it is still running to get that information. That is when I don't forget to leave the infinite analysis running when I've finished it.
  In Aquarium Lite, the analysis pane, the most important part of the GUI, will always be there!

I don't want to add any ply from the analysis by mouse clicks; that is to slow and cumbersome. Also, I want to be able to decide precisely which, if any, plies are worth adding to the tree. Typically, I will add only 1 or 2 plies, except if there is a forced sequence of moves.
 
 
Parent - By Victor Zakharov (*****) Date 2008-08-07 17:18
Thanks, I understood you.

It is not easy to rebuild mind from functional thinking to presentation thinking, but recently I discussed Lite GUI with the person who will consult programmers in its design and he opened our eyes on some things like this.

Many thanks for notes. Any such note helps in "mind rebuilding" :).
Parent - - By Dragon Mist (****) Date 2008-08-07 16:21
I have to comment on this post -- one of the best I've seen recently here. And it represents my view on the subject very well. Congrats cma6!
1. 100% the same with me on repetitive and fast and simple actions
2. Infinite analysis -- I commented recently on Aquarium board that the options are simply frightening - and what they do to the search efficiency God only knows! Combine this with multi PV and stuff coming from engine, and you don't know what you're doing any more.
3. On the other hand, often for new software is needed a mind-switch; I recall Windows 3.1 ( I do! :-)) switch to Windows 95, and so on. Maybe Aquarium represents a dawn of a new era (and with Rybka 3 this sounds even more plausible)
Parent - By SR (****) Date 2008-08-07 17:52 Edited 2008-08-07 17:56
My first impression when I used the aquarium was similar to yours. However, it was first when I began to use IDeA (during the first game against the hamsters)  that I fully began to realize the full capabilities of the Aquarium.

Chess players tend to be quite intelligent, so I think aquarium eventually will become very popular. It requires less brain to use the Fritz interface, but this interface has very few capabilities compared to the Aquarium.

Comparing the Fritz interface with the Aquarium is like comparing sitting in a fiat with sitting in a cockpit of a boring 747.  It might be overwhelming to sit in the cockpit of a Boring 747, but I am sure you will have forgot all about the Fiat when the Boring 747 takes off.
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