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- - By Zruty (*****) Date 2008-08-05 20:18 Edited 2008-08-05 20:55
It's about 14 hours to Aquarium release now.
This is the Aquarium Demo version. (Another, perhaps faster download link)
The download size is 23 Mb.
Those of you who already purchased Aquarium, or who are plannig to do so, don't worry: Aquarium Demo won't break your Aquarium, if it's installed in another directory.
Demo version can not be upgraded to full Aquarium.

There are certain differences with the Aquarium package:
Program limitations:
* Any engine is working for first 2 seconds
* You cannot open CDP, CBH, PGN databases without converting
* You cannot work with the databases containing more than 10 000 games
* The tree is working only in the 'opening' positions (where the castling is still possible) and a little bit further.

The last point means that IDeA is also working correctly only in opening positions, and the blunder check and game analysis features (that are dependent on trees) may produce strange results.

Package limitations:
* Rybka 3 is replaced by Rybka 2.1 demo.
* Help file is excluded.
* Larry Kaufman's material handicap opening book is excluded.
* The utility programs AquariumTreeUtils and AquariumEpdProcess are excluded.
* Other minor changes.

This is the first time Aquarium goes public. We were working hard for about two years on it, in the hope you enjoy it, and open new chess horizons for you.

As any new program, Aquarium may contain minor (and probably major) bugs. We tried to eliminate all of them, we will try even harder now.

I'll try to answer any questions here, but it's 12 PM here already, and I've got a release tomorrow.
Parent - By Thomas Wallendik (**) Date 2008-08-05 20:44
Hi Zruty,

it seems be good. I am Chessbaes-Fan, but i will buy Aquarium in the middle of August or at the end of August.

Really great work. I search a GUI, whitch can handles very good and correctly the winboard-Engines.

Since today i only used the two commercial GUIS Fritz and Co's from Chessbase and Aquarium (when it is available) and ChessAssistant from Convekta.

Thank you for the very big and good work and mutch

Greetings to you and your team.

Best

Thomas Wallendik
Parent - - By Eduard (***) Date 2008-08-05 22:00
I am very unhappy, sorry!

In ChessBase Light 2007 you can use native engines full times for analyses, and not just 2 seconds.

PGN is an Internet standard for "portable game notation".

This demo is only slightly for children.

Please consider your new position -> as opposed to ChessBase Light 2007.

Thank you!

Eduard.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2008-08-05 22:24
Actually, I considered the Demo too powerful :), but yeah, it's about getting a feeling on what you can do with the new GUI, if the negative comments are about the restrictions then it's a very good Demo :)
Parent - By Arkansaw (***) Date 2008-08-05 22:32
so what can you do with the demo?

I don't like the way they 'packaged' the demo, they just show 3 lines of limitations about what CANNOT be done, without telling you what CAN be done, or rather, what are the things that can be done with Aquarium that things like CB and CA cannot do
Parent - - By Omega-three (**) Date 2008-08-05 23:17
Thanks for the demo, tried it on my Athlon x4200 with 2 megs mem running win xp 64 pro. Unable to get smart input or announce moves to work. I changed the font size in notation but could not change it in the Tree/Analysis window. When I used force move a few times along with Switch Sides it crashed the engine I was using, Rybka 2.32mp x64 version.

Hope the release version fares a little better.

Regards

Mike
Parent - By Dadi Jonsson (Silver) Date 2008-08-05 23:39

> Thanks for the demo


Thanks for trying it out :)

> win xp 64 pro


Same as I am running.

> smart input


Works fine for me. When viewing a game click the Board tab and select Smart Input from the drop-down menu on the Move Input button. After that, when you click on a piece, the program suggests a move. If that's the move you want to make let go off the left mouse button. Otherwise drag the mouse to the square where you want to move the piece. It works similarly if you click on an empty square.

> I changed the font size in notation but could not change it in the Tree/Analysis window.


I have never changed the font size in the Tree/Analysis windows and I don't know how to do it (or if it can be done).

> When I used force move a few times along with Switch Sides it crashed the engine I was using, Rybka 2.32mp x64 version.


Thanks for reporting this bug.
Parent - - By Zruty (*****) Date 2008-08-06 06:52

>Unable to get smart input or announce moves to work.


Smart input doesn't work during Play, it's intentional.
Sounds are left out in Demo, I forgot to mention that.
Parent - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2008-08-06 09:24
I hope those sounds are good Zruty. Anyway, I am looking forward to Aquarium. Thanks for the nice GUI. We hope there are no major BUGS :)
Parent - By Sandalls (**) Date 2008-08-06 00:03
Zruty, thanks for the demo.   A fish fillet appetizer just before dinner tastes very nice and whets the appetite for the Smoking Rybka as next course.
Parent - - By likesforests (**) Date 2008-08-06 00:05 Edited 2008-08-06 00:09
I'm having trouble getting IDEA to work in Aquarium. I used a random opening position way before castling: 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6. It began analyzing 4.d4. I added several alternatives (4.g3, 4.e3, 4.d3, and 4.a3) but it still kept analyzing d4. So I marked d4 as "bad" (red) and "discarded" (star) and I marked the other moves as "interesting" (blue). Unfortunately it is not analyzing the alternatives (the position counter next to them is not incrementing and no evaluation is given). Also, it seems to be analyzing something but I have no idea what. The lower-right pane gives no indication of what it's analyzing. I'm using Windows XP Pro, 32-bit. Here's a screen capture:



Thanks again for posting the demo so we could try the product before deciding whether to buy.  :)
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2008-08-06 00:11

> Also, it seems to be analyzing something but I have no idea what.


Aha! This comment gives strength to my suggested feature about showing a line to the position IDeA is analyzing and when you click on the moves it teleports you to that position. This is a point in where Chessbase's Deep Analysis is superior (you get to see what the engine is doing.)

As for your problem, it seems IDeA got stuck, probably because it's expecting to reach a ply that the engine will never reach due to the 2 seconds limitation. Try using the OR setting instead of the AND setting.
Parent - By Dadi Jonsson (Silver) Date 2008-08-06 00:15
The screenshot helped to understand the problem :) The engine you use for IDeA much be a UCI engine (Crafty is a Winboard engine), such as Rybka. I think there is a Rybka engine that comes with the demo and you might try that one instead. The problem is that some engines don't know how to skip certain moves in the root position when analyzing. Even older versions of Rybka had problems with that (don't know exactly what version fixed it, but 2.3.2a works fine).

Also, only the red and green colors matter in IDeA. The blue ones etc. have no effect there. So just press '2' or '5' to include/exclude moves.
Parent - - By Victor Zakharov (*****) Date 2008-08-06 00:17
I think Crafty is not in the list of engines that support the IDeA
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2008-08-06 00:32
I think it would be easy to support them on a non elegant way. Give the option of adding all legal positions to the queue, then put the engine to examine all these positions, then IDeA would be guiding the engine on the best positions and the user would only need to skip the "searching for alternatives" stage every time. The user would need to repeat this process on interesting positions.

I know it's very ineffective compared to an UCI engine that allows move ignoring but that's the only way I can think of that IDeA could work with Winboard engines.
Parent - - By likesforests (**) Date 2008-08-06 00:40
Thanks!  I set the engine to Rybka 2.3.2mp and the settings to "1 sec or 8-ply". I created two variations (4.g3 and 4.d3) for it to analyze and marked them green, and I spent 2 minutes marking every alternate move it could come up with red, but it still won't analyze my green moves. Here's a new screen capture in case it helps:

Parent - - By Dadi Jonsson (Silver) Date 2008-08-06 01:02
I can only think that you were too generous with the red color. If you have some green colors in a position, only those moves will be analyzed, so all the red markings that I see in the screenshot are not doing anything.

I can't see how you marked the moves in the positions following 4.g3 and 4.d3, but I can only guess that you didn't leave anything for IDeA to analyze.

I set up this position in the demo and started analyzing it without marking any moves. It immediately came up with 4.d3 and 4.g3, so there was probably no need for any colored moves in this position. Always try to use the colors sparingly.

Btw. it seems that the chess fonts weren't installed when you set up Aquarium.
Parent - - By likesforests (**) Date 2008-08-06 01:06 Edited 2008-08-06 01:25
I added so much red only because it seemed like it was ignoring the green.

"I set up this position in the demo and started analyzing it without marking any moves. It immediately came up with 4.d3 and 4.g3, so there was probably no need for any colored moves in this position. Always try to use the colors sparingly"

When I let Aquarium 'discover' g3 then mark it green it gives it priority analysis... it's only if I manually add the move that it ignores it. So it's not a coloring problem like I first thought, it's a manual adding problem.

At least Aquarium's somewhat working for me now. :)
Parent - - By Dadi Jonsson (Silver) Date 2008-08-06 01:11
You could also try to make the move that you want to color, so it is displayed in the notation window. Then back up so it is displayed (again) in the tree and now color it green.
Parent - By likesforests (**) Date 2008-08-06 01:17 Edited 2008-08-06 01:26
Like I said, that doesn't work for me. If I add a move Aquarium never analyzes it (like h4 now), even if it would have discovered and analyzed it on its own (like g3 before).

Parent - - By likesforests (**) Date 2008-08-06 01:03
I have a better idea what's going on now. If I add the move to the tree and then mark it green Aquarium ignores it. If I wait for Aquarium to discover the move and then mark it green it gives it priority analysis.
Parent - - By buffos (Silver) Date 2008-08-06 05:01
If you manually add a move , you have to explicitly tell IDeA to use it, by pressing "current position".
Parent - - By likesforests (**) Date 2008-08-06 05:46 Edited 2008-08-06 05:48
Aha! That is the trick. Idea works perfectly for me now. :)
Parent - By buffos (Silver) Date 2008-08-06 05:47
:)
Parent - By Estresa (*) Date 2008-08-23 21:53
you should write the manual for Rybka 3...i watched your video it is very helpful,  i just have some problems with your "accent", maybe you have a career as a public speaker if you try it.
Parent - - By grolich (***) Date 2008-08-06 11:30
Well, Only UCI engines (which are pretty much all new leading engines for the past few years), are supported by IDEA.

Older engines, such as crafty, support only the older and simpler (and with many less features and capabilities) "winboard" protocol.
Parent - By Vempele (Silver) Date 2008-08-06 11:33

> Well, Only UCI engines (which are pretty much all new leading engines for the past few years), are supported by IDEA.


They also need to support searchmoves (move ignoring). Zappa, for example, apparently doesn't.

The feature is trivial to implement, and very useful even without IDeA. We should pester engine authors to support it. :)
Parent - By likesforests (**) Date 2008-08-06 15:28
I tried Crafty only after I couldn't get the Rybka 2.1 demo working. The actual 'problem' I encountered (as buffos posted) was that you have to click the "Current Position" button after adding a move or it won't be analyzed. There were no help files in the demo and the trick was non-obvious to me. Now he's posted a great 10-minute IDeA tutorial to make its operation clear. :)
Parent - - By Laszlo (***) Date 2008-08-06 01:58
Bravo! Absolutely genial...
Parent - By Laszlo (***) Date 2008-08-06 03:13
The randomizer is very-very useful for me...
Parent - By Zarkon (***) Date 2008-08-06 02:48
Why no help file? Surely that would encourage people to buy the full version! Unless...
Parent - - By cma6 (****) Date 2008-08-06 03:05
Zruty:
The limitations you are referring to, are they for Aquarium we pay for or just for the Demo?
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2008-08-06 03:32
Only the Demo has these limitations.
Parent - - By pannalal (*) Date 2008-08-06 03:25
I am not interested in demo. I want real and when it will be available for download. I have given order around 10 days ago.
Parent - By AndrewWalker (**) Date 2008-08-06 03:27
Try reading the first line of the first post, and all the other forum threads!

Andrew
Parent - - By buffos (Silver) Date 2008-08-06 06:07
I have made an introductory screencast about IDeA. Its about 11Mb and you can download it from here.

This is a user to user screencast, so forgive me for any mistakes and ofcourse for my pronunciation, since i am not a native english speaker.
You can download it , unzip it and watch it. I hope it helps in any way.
Parent - By likesforests (**) Date 2008-08-06 06:56
This is an excellent video!

Check it out if you are downloading either the full or demo version of Aquarium.  :)
Parent - - By Hurnavich (Bronze) Date 2008-08-06 08:44
Hi, Can anyone help i have downloaded r3 Aquarium demo all set up installed and shortcut icon. when i try to open, winows vista just says program stoped working checking for a solution.I'm running on windows vista home premium 32bit.Thanks for any help you good people can give.I have place a pre order for Aquarium 3 but now have concernes as to if the dvd will install on my computer.
Parent - - By buffos (Silver) Date 2008-08-06 08:49
Try to run it as an admin.

To do that

1) Right click on the icon that runs Aquarium Demo
2) Select properties
3) Go to the Compatibility Tab
4) Check the "Run as administrator" Check box

Now you can run your program

This "problem" happens in some Vista installations
Parent - - By Hurnavich (Bronze) Date 2008-08-06 09:10
Nice one thanks all,,,, one more thing i know i'm a pain how do you change to figurines thanks.
Parent - - By Zruty (*****) Date 2008-08-06 09:11
Right-click a board, then select 'Theme...'.
Parent - - By Hurnavich (Bronze) Date 2008-08-06 09:19
sorry i'm refering to notation figurines,, how to get them thanks...
Parent - By Zruty (*****) Date 2008-08-06 09:28
They are automatically installed when you start Aquarium Demo.
If they are not, probably your Windows doesn't allow that.

You can switch the figurines off:
[Main button in the top left] -> Options -> Display Options -> Notation Language.

Or run Aquarium as administrator. Once should suffice.
Parent - - By likesforests (**) Date 2008-08-06 15:22 Edited 2008-08-06 15:41
The fonts didn't install properly for me either. The solution for Windows XP for me was in the ChessAssistance.com Tech FAQ:

I'm using a Convekta product, and there appears to be gibberish on the display. This happened after installing a tutorial or CA. Now all my Convekta programs have the same problem...

I think there is probably a bug somewhere in some of Convekta's install programs. What needs to be done is a fresh install of the CA Chess font. But first, you need to delete the old font files. In windows 2000, go to your WINNT/Fonts subdirectory. Delete the CA Chess font (filename prog55ch?.ttf, ?=0 or e). Then restart windows. Then, locate one of your old Convekta CDROMs with a fonts folder on it. Manually install the prg55che.ttf font (use the install menu on internet explorer for this).from the CD. Now you should be good to go. The procedure for Win9x and WinMe is similar.

So basically: (1) I deleted the 'prog55' font file in C:\Windows\Fonts, (2) rebooted, (3) opened control panel | fonts and clicked 'install new font' and pointed to the prog55 font file I found here.

After doing that both IDeA and the fonts worked fine so I went ahead and ordered Rybka 3 + Aquarium. Hopefully they'll send me the download link soon.  :)
Parent - - By Hurnavich (Bronze) Date 2008-08-07 10:44
There are to many issues going on with Aquarium, ie user account control had to be dissabled for demo to work,in vista no correct fonts only worked after 3 uninstalls.Demo crashed on engine matches every 2nd game.I for one have cancelled Aquarium order and instead orderd Deep rybka 3 uci and chessbase openings book,,, i'm sticking with chessbase fritz 10 gui and fritz 11 gui they have no problems or crashes with vista..
Parent - By buffos (Silver) Date 2008-08-07 10:48

> user account control had to be dissabled for demo to work


No, you can just run it as administrator. Its enough. And as has been written in the forum, this will also change too.

> n vista no correct fonts only worked after 3 uninstalls


This is a bug in windows. Sometimes (the is no pattern to define when and why) you simply have to open and close the fonts installation directory for fonts to install (this happened to only 1 of my 4 pc's i tested it on.). This bug goes back to windows xp.. to windows 98.. 95 and so on...
Parent - By Zruty (*****) Date 2008-08-07 10:49
So the demo actually did good to you :)
Parent - By Vempele (Silver) Date 2008-08-06 08:50
Install it in C:\AquariumDemo or something (instead of Program Files). Or do as buffos said.
Parent - By Estresa (*) Date 2008-08-23 22:07
Thanks for the demo version, it help me to have a better perspective on the capabilities of your new GUI, while waiting for my DVD copy of
Rybka 3 Aquarium, which incidentally i'm still waiting for it to arrive after placing my order last month. 

But it looks painfully similar to MS office 2007?  Is Bill Gates have an issue on this?
Parent - - By Cunningham Date 2008-08-25 01:13
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