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- - Date 2013-12-06 02:40
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2013-12-04 23:34
these time controls Where are all these top so called top corr players who win so called  world championships,they are all terrified of entering this tournament because they are frightened of losing a game.
I offer an open challenge to any of these so called champs in a 10 game match at these time controls at $15000 a match.Money to be held by an independent arbiter at least I am prepared to put my money where my mouth is.Confident such a match would have a huge following on forum.
Possibly biggest ever,come on Eros and co have you got the bottle.
Parent - - By keoki010 (Silver) Date 2013-12-04 23:56
Eros wouldn't play here1 :razz: Probably beneath
his notice... He's a big player now! :lol:
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2013-12-05 00:05
I think I make my point George.
Parent - - By David Evans (****) Date 2013-12-05 08:58
Eros would not step up to the mark in our final on infinity server refusing to play on weekends to finish our final knowing he had a good chance to lose.

Eros is a fantastic player but this myth he is some type of god like zen is pure nonsense my match play record v him is even but I have had the upper hand in a few games and I should have converted them.

Also eros has lost freestyle games in the past and he would again.

But he does protect this myth well.

I rank Anson as a far more dangerous player because of a broader opening range.

Ultra-d
Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) Date 2013-12-05 21:29
Why weren't you more vocal about this at the time?
Parent - - By David Evans (****) Date 2013-12-06 08:18
I was he refused to play weekends knowing I was working in the week.

A true champion would play you any time any place any challenger.
Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) Date 2013-12-06 08:52
Don't get me wrong, your side of the story fits with Ero's myth (the dark part) but it's your side after all. At the time, if memory serves me well, the explanation given was that you couldn't play on week days and he couldn't on weekends. Nothing more. Your current complaint doesn't contradict the initial "statement", but it fills it with details which actually change it's meaning.
Parent - By David Evans (****) Date 2013-12-06 09:03
Eros never had a problem playing weekends in all his previous freestyle tours just this one.

Shame we could never finish.

Does not look like we will see such tours in the future.
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-05 21:34
Can you tell us who Anson is David?

P.S. Also, don't forget to sign in, :cool:
Parent - - By CumnorChessClub (***) Date 2013-12-05 21:53
take a look here about Anson http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ansonwilliams/freestyle/benidorm2007/ about halfway down the page.
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-05 22:29
Thanks Kevin! :smile:
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2013-12-06 01:36
I should point out that Anson was using our book in 2007; it was less than half the size it is now.  Also: I was the author of this piece.
Parent - By Chaotic Chess (****) Date 2013-12-06 13:01
Ask Nelson he has tell you :smile:
Parent - - By oudheusa (*****) Date 2013-12-05 07:19
I am sure there are several ICCF GM's that are willing to take you up on your $15.000 match offer. Are you really willing to put your money where your mouth is?
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2013-12-05 22:55
Yes.Match will take approx. 12 months.
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-05 23:01
I think a better and more challenging match would be to start all 10 games at once using WBCCC time controls, then the match only takes about 2 months.

Better for the spectators also.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2013-12-05 23:06
No thanks,i know my limits.:smile:
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2013-12-05 23:12
Actually I think the only person who might put up this sort of money against me is Alan(Banned for Life).
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-06 00:27

> Actually I think the only person who might put up this sort of money against me is Alan(Banned for Life).


Or maybe Nelson, he can "back" somebody and let him use his book, :lol:
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2013-12-06 01:38
Not likely.
Parent - - By oudheusa (*****) Date 2013-12-05 07:27
Ps re time controls, most corr players lead normal lives, eg work, family friends. So effective time spent on AN may very well be similar as for WBCCC, its just spread out over a longer period.
Parent - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-08 19:46

> most corr players lead normal lives, eg work, family friends.


Wow are you way off base here, :smile: Most players here, and most CC players in general are obsessive/compulsive nuts with huge ego's. Who wants to be with family (not immediate)
like inlaws and friends when there is moves that just came in the e-mail that need attention. :cool:
Parent - - By David Evans (****) Date 2013-12-05 08:59
Eros would only play paul if he could win the money if he drew all the games a little like ficgs world championship.
Parent - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-05 12:08
+100, :grin:
Parent - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-05 12:30

> Eros would only play paul if he could win the money if he drew all the games a little like ficgs world championship.


Which he could not do to win the 2014 version of this event because with say 19 games, he would need approx 14 out of 19 points.
Parent - - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-06 02:40

> I offer an open challenge to any of these so called champs in a 10 game match at these time controls at $15000 a match.Money to be held by an independent arbiter at least I am prepared to put my money where my mouth is.Confident such a match would have a huge following on forum.


I could not possibly work out who would have the form, experience, trustworthiness or knowledge to be an independent arbiter to hold that amount of money :razz: of course for a small fee for my time and effort, that could change.
Parent - By Ozymandias (****) Date 2013-12-06 09:13
Arno.
Parent - - By David Evans (****) Date 2013-12-06 08:19
I would of course play you paul at real freestyle time controls I think you would find me a challenge. :twisted:
Parent - - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-06 08:22

> I would of course play you paul at real freestyle time controls I think you would find me a challenge. :twisted:


You are not quite the person he is trying to 'bait' into a match :cool:
Parent - - By David Evans (****) Date 2013-12-06 08:23
I have some form as they say...:eek:
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2013-12-06 23:22
As an amusing aside I think  both players should have seconds like in the old Russian days when players went to sleep and seconds stayed up all night doing AN of position.
I have an idea of who my second would be and so has Nelson.:smile:
Just a bit of fun guys but I will take anyone on for big money on my own terms of course.
Parent - By keoki010 (Silver) Date 2013-12-06 23:32
:lol::twisted:
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-07 01:22 Edited 2013-12-07 01:31
I have an idea of who my second would be and so has Nelson.

Not to hard to guess that Big Ben would get that job, :wink:

Fischer said "I win by myself, nobody helps me". And that's probably true. Of course he had Evans and Lombardy, but I don't think he would really trust their analysis without going over it himself.

Kind of like Nelson's stats, they are nice to have, but you can't just blindly trust them.

For my second I would've took Barnard, we had many long talks. He was a little radical, but I felt I could trust him.
Parent - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-08 19:51
Actually I wouldn't need any "second" except my new little buddy here, :smile:
Parent - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-08 19:50

> You are not quite the person he is trying to 'bait' into a match :cool:


There is some that have enjoyed a huge hardware advantage over the years, even free access to clusters, but I think now the gap is narrowed and there will be more surprises.
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-08 20:10
$15,000?, that's all! :roll:

Not worth a years work....
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2013-12-08 21:22
Entirely agree.:smile:
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-10 09:38
and to fill in the rest of the title... has petered out to nothing :razz: If National12 wants to put the 15 thousand into the kitty for WBCCC 2014, even with a few conditions, I can accept that :wink::twisted:
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2013-12-23 23:11
Well I have had no takers,so I withdraw my offer for a $15,000 match.

However I did not believe I would lose such a match no matter what anyone else thinks.
Parent - - By Kappatoo (*****) Date 2013-12-23 23:19
To be honest, I think that if someone had put up the $15,000, you would have probably been in for trouble. People who are willing to risk that much money in a correspondence chess match probably have quite some resources. Just think about someone like Lukas or Highendman dedicating a few hundred cores to this.
No disrespect meant, I know you are a very strong correspondence player who himself has some serious hardware. My reasoning is just that if someone had been willing to take the bet, there would have been a chance that his resources would have been much bigger than yours.
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-23 23:24
Or if he didn't already have the resources, it would be worth it to go out a BUY what he needs to win thereby getting 15K off the price.
Parent - - By Kappatoo (*****) Date 2013-12-23 23:33
Yes, sure. By 'resources', I meant both hardware and financial resources.
That said, I know pretty much nothing about modern hardware. Karjakin claimed in a recent interview that Carlsen has a computer worth $50,000. Any ideas what kind of thing this could be?
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2013-12-23 23:41
There are no cpu's available to justify such expenditure otherwise some of us might just buy them.:smile:
This is chat by a guy who knows nothing about computers or computer chess.
Parent - By Ozymandias (****) Date 2013-12-24 12:12
Not saying it's justified, but just change the cpu choice on this link
http://www.thinkmate.com/system/superserver-5086b-trf
...and you get north of $50,000 easily.
Parent - By Kappatoo (*****) Date 2013-12-24 13:53
I would be highly surprised if Karjakin knew nothing about computers or computer chess.
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2014-01-13 02:31
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2013-12-23 23:34
It was not Lukas or HEM(Shahar) who I was looking to take on but other so called World Champions at Corr Chess a number or at least one are quite happy to defend their titles with all draws and no attacking play.
HEM and Lukas have better things to do and earn money rarther than play me at chess.
Parent - - By Highendman (****) Date 2014-01-04 19:21
I would have likely spent $50K on h/w, to make sure I win this $15K bet :)
Parent - By Scott (*****) Date 2014-01-04 19:35

> I would have likely spent $50K on h/w, to make sure I win this $15K bet :)


That has been brought up already, :smile:
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