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- By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-11-25 13:51 Edited 2014-01-07 17:44
Old List of Players
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-11-27 21:36
One idea I would like to throw out here. What about limiting the # of players to what the maximum is that you can comfortably run for a round robin Garvin.

I think the list will fill up fast with all the regulars, and it would discourage those that like to wait until the last second before making a move or entering.

It would give everyone more of a chance to prepare if the list fills quickly. IMO 24 is a good number. I wonder if anybody else has an opinion on this.

Also, if you do not want to do that, you could split the tour and have section a & b for instance, with the top 2,3, or 4 from each section playing in the

final section. In a sense making people qualify for the finals.

Also (sorry, :red:, but there has been no discussion at all about 2014 and it's coming right up), maybe making a poll and ask everybody what their preference

is for the most games they can handle at once. Just some ideas....
Parent - - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-11-28 00:26

> One idea I would like to throw out here. What about limiting the # of players to what the maximum is that you can comfortably run for a round robin Garvin.


I already know the maximum is 25. That is 6 rounds of 4 games, with 1 bye. There will be withdrawals along the way. Anymore entries than that and we are back to individual swiss.

> I think the list will fill up fast with all the regulars, and it would discourage those that like to wait until the last second before making a move or entering.


Back to individual if more than 25.

> It would give everyone more of a chance to prepare if the list fills quickly. IMO 24 is a good number. I wonder if anybody else has an opinion on this.


Already covered above.

> Also, if you do not want to do that, you could split the tour and have section a & b for instance,


No sections. Already been discussed before about the pitfalls, issues. Please do not make me rant. The only two good options are single round robin or individual swiss. Whilst we have seen some of the issues with individual swiss, overall it has been very good.

> Also (sorry, :red:, but there has been no discussion at all about 2014 and it's coming right up), maybe making a poll and ask everybody what their preference is for the most games they can handle at once. Just some ideas....


Hopefully we will only need five rounds and so if we do need to have three or four games in some rounds, I can extend the time control. The time control will be the same for each round. No I can not give any guarantees to exact make up until January 6 when I know how many entries we have. But the picture will become clearer as the closing date draws to a close.

We should all be hoping for 40 entries and more and individual swiss. That means numbers are taking off and the event is going gang busters. It would then start to be the must play in event.
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-11-28 22:46
I know the burden is heavy my friend, any ideas I offer are in the spirit of trying to help. You've done an excellent job and I can't wait to be part of it again.
Parent - By Chaotic Chess (****) Date 2013-11-29 02:11
Garvin is doing an excellent job! I think most of the participant doesn't even know that his a certified fide arbiter. :smile:
Parent - By tomski1981 (*****) Date 2013-12-01 04:55
thank you for your hard work. i don't play anymore but i do follow the games
- By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-11-29 02:47
Hard to believe that whilst we watch the final game of 2013, entries open in two days at 12AM GMT December 1 for the 2014 version. I am player number 1 by the way :razz:

Time to start promoting on other forums everyone to drum up interest. New entrants will need time to test the software.
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-11-30 20:34
Entries open in a few hours.

1. Garvin Gray
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2013-12-01 01:27
2. Om Prakash
Parent - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-01 15:07
3. Scott Nichols, I'm in!
Parent - By keoki010 (Silver) Date 2013-12-01 16:42
4. keoki010 (George Clement)
Parent - By trandism (**) Date 2013-12-01 20:19
5. trandism (Nikolaos Sarakenidis)
Parent - By armageddon (**) Date 2013-12-01 21:04
6. armageddon (Djordje Kasabasic) :wink:
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2013-12-01 21:10
7. paul watson (NATIONAL12).
Parent - - By Schachmatt (****) Date 2013-12-02 17:57
8. Matt O'Brien (Schachmatt)
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-02 19:11
Alright, Matt and Paul! It made me think Matt, the only time I remember Paul being in real trouble, or at least worried some, was your KID against him, :smile:
Parent - - By Schachmatt (****) Date 2013-12-02 19:52 Edited 2013-12-02 20:16
just got back from a tournament in Philly where I had a 2650 and 2440 under enormous pressure with Black after 20-30+ moves, all I had to do after playing well was play a few simple developing moves and my attack is objectively very strong in most lines i tried in analysis were winning for me, the defenses practically are not easily found by machines to even try for a draw, but instead I got impatient and excited and gambitted a pawn too soon in my games and my opponents found all the forced moves to repel my attack and I missed my endgame chances in practically extremely difficult to play endgames.  Interestingly I saw many of their best chances in defense... but my opponents were more pessimistic interestingly... I need to take this into account more, that it's not easy to find everything... that to defend a position for so long is tough to see a full scale attack.  And after round 3 having played these two brutal games (knowing I really could have won these games (and knowing what I knew in retrospect I probably would have), seeing things that they didn't --- especially tactically, but also vice versa --- especially positionally on discussing the games with them), I felt too tired to play chess and played really fast my last three games against lower rated players and was more interested in the games of my friends who were doing better although not having had my tough early schedule and so I lost 20+ rating pts but got entertaining games, I know I can make that back very quickly.  Oddly, I was out of book by move 7 in all my games, but with a fine but strange position.  And I sacrificed material in all my games --- I need to stop doing that so much --- it's partly due to the positions I play, but also there is a time and a place... now I know with confidence that tactically at least I can play against any of these players regardless of rating, just need some patience and knowledge of so much positional stuff would make my playing experience so much easier.  But playing tactically also a lot of the fun.  Still looking for that balance... but at the same time I do the tactical stuff so well at many moments... but against these strong players you just can't give away a pawn without sufficient reason.  ugh, having these players with big numbers on the ropes and simply not being patient in putting them away... and then making the same mistakes against 10 year olds 2000+. :roll:  and yet i still i will have a US 2200+ rating somehow.  but the fact i have a few scalps, quite a few online and even so many great opportunities taken and missed, and a few also otb, this is great to look forward in the future and to learn a bit from the past and move on... at least my recent results against 22-2300 players (5 wins, 4 draws, 0 losses) over past 9 games at standard controls is an encouraging although weird statistic to me given my erratic chess performances...

so yeah my result hurt a bit, i mean i could get 2/6 playing bullet chess... as i scored at NCC last weekend... and done some things better on intuition and i did on thinking, but there were so many positives too.  next year i will try some of the more boring positions too, there is some interest in dry dust sculptures too, just playing double e-pawn openings, and ppipper style French's too...
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-05 15:49
Hey Matt, I saw your name in the crosstable of the Natl. Congress! Very impressive! :smile:
Parent - By Schachmatt (****) Date 2013-12-06 03:44
Probably I'll play Liberty Bell, and I hope my name will be much higher on the crosstable.  :smile:
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2013-12-05 14:06
10. Mark Eldridge
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-04 14:25
Entries have ground to a holt
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2013-12-04 23:05
Maybe tournament is to tough for normal corr players who are used to playing over a couple of years and imho their games are of a lesser standard.:smile:
Parent - By oudheusa (*****) Date 2013-12-05 07:12
You're getting a bit too overexcited here Paul. For top corr players there is just not enough to win in this tournament. No official titles, norms or rating points. Re level of play; there are certainly good games being played in WBCCC but overall I would rate it not higher than category 5 ICCF (rating > 2351). For comparison, ICCF world championships are category 13/14.
Parent - Date 2013-12-04 23:34
Parent - By David Evans (****) Date 2013-12-05 09:05
Need to advertise is much required to drum up more interest.

Anyone have a advertising background.
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-05 12:30
Still looking for player 9. .......................................... ????????
Parent - - By itaca2 (*) Date 2013-12-05 13:48
9. Carlo Altieri (itaca2)
New but really interested in the format.
Parent - - By trandism (**) Date 2013-12-05 14:06
Hello Carlo, we recently finished our game in ICCF, the Bh6 Bh8, Bg5 Bg7, Bh6 draw. Glad to see you here as well :) I'm new to this format too.
Parent - - By itaca2 (*) Date 2013-12-05 15:48
See, we have find out a way of rematch :-)
I'm really glad about it.
Ciao
Parent - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-05 15:51
Welcome Carlo! It's so nice to see new faces! Best wishes to you! :smile:
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2013-12-05 14:07
10. Mark Eldridge
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-06 02:51
No  Name                 Club        

1.  Garvin GRAY          GARVIN GRAY 
2.  Om PRAKASH           MASTER OM   
3.  Scott NICHOLS        SCOTT       
4.  George CLEMENT       KEOKI010    
5.  Nikolaos SARAKENIDIS TRANDISM    
6.  Djordje KASABASIC    ARMAGEDDON  
7.  Paul WATSON          NATIONAL12  
8.  Matt O'BRIEN         SCHACHMATT  
9.  Carlo ALTIERI        ITACA2      
10. Mark ELDRIDGE        MARK ELDRIDGE
Parent - - By David Evans (****) Date 2013-12-06 08:14
Entries close January 6 2014 is that correct?
Parent - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-06 08:22

> Entries close January 6 2014 is that correct?


Yes
- By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-06 02:52
I will start organising xfccplay testing for new players in next couple of days.
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-06 02:58 Edited 2013-12-06 03:00
Just a careful note of warning for those who might be considering delaying their entry to get a specific seed number to get a specific colour against a specific person.

Each time a new person enters, the berger pairings change (the specific formula that determines which order players play in and what colours for each pairings in a round robin).

So lets say there are 14 players, then it is 13 rounds, then another person enters, so now it is 15 players and 15 rounds and a new set of pairings. Then a new player enters and it is 16 players and a new set of pairings again, then someone drops out, this time a different seed, back to 15 players, but a different seed order.

So, please do not attempt to try and manipulate your seed position. Just enter, make your life and mine much easier. You could do all that work and then we get 26 entries and end up with an individual swiss anyways :eek:
Parent - By David Evans (****) Date 2013-12-08 07:53
David Evans 11
- By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-08 11:07
No  Name                 Club        

1.  Garvin GRAY          GARVIN GRAY 
2.  Om PRAKASH           MASTER OM   
3.  Scott NICHOLS        SCOTT       
4.  George CLEMENT       KEOKI010    
5.  Nikolaos SARAKENIDIS TRANDISM    
6.  Djordje KASABASIC    ARMAGEDDON  
7.  Paul WATSON          NATIONAL12  
8.  Matt O'BRIEN         SCHATTMATT  
9.  Carlo ALTIERI        ITACA2      
10. Mark ELDRIDGE        MARK ELDRIDGE
11. David EVANS          DAVID EVANS
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-08 13:10
12. Neel Basant

No  Name                 Club        

1.  Garvin GRAY          GARVIN GRAY 
2.  Om PRAKASH           MASTER OM   
3.  Scott NICHOLS        SCOTT       
4.  George CLEMENT       KEOKI010    
5.  Nikolaos SARAKENIDIS TRANDISM    
6.  Djordje KASABASIC    ARMAGEDDON  
7.  Paul WATSON          NATIONAL12  
8.  Matt O'BRIEN         SCHATTMATT  
9.  Carlo ALTIERI        ITACA2      
10. Mark ELDRIDGE        MARK ELDRIDGE
11. David EVANS          DAVID EVANS 
12. Neel BASANT          NEELBASANT
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-09 22:39
Nice group we have here, :smile: Even if no more sign up, we have most of the top dogs in this fight. A RR with 12 players would make each game very important. The usual

strategy of win with white and draw with black probably won't be good enough, but we will see.
Parent - - By bio (***) Date 2013-12-09 23:04 Edited 2013-12-09 23:07
Jitan, Michael, Ruben, Jose, Djordje and Alvin are still missing.
Not sure about Anton...
Some of them will join, I guess.
And maybe some more new players. Depends on the advertising and the price money ...
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-09 23:16

> Jitan, Michael, Ruben, Jose, Djordje and Alvin are still missing.


Djordje is in, Alvin said he is not playing this year. I would like to see...Eros, Kappatoo and Ben and any others who have been at the top, but this is a new era IMHO.
Parent - - By bio (***) Date 2013-12-09 23:34
oops, I missed Djordje.
Kappatoo said he won't.
Eros probably doesn't even know about this tourney. And if he would know it, he wouldn't Play I believe. He has too much to loose (Reputation etc.), and what can he win?
Parent - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-12-10 01:08

> he wouldn't play I believe.


I think they lose by not playing, anyway David proved that he is easily a match for him. And Paul has not lost a game in three years against top flight competition, Om won 2012 didn't he?

We have Garvin, Mark and a host of others. This more than any other will be the hardest to win because of the round robin format, pairings won't matter. There is a whole list of excuses

that players can use, time to short, old hardware, reputation etc., but I think this is a real prize to have on a person's resume!
- By Fellowship (**) Date 2013-12-08 13:37
Yep . I am Also in.

12. Neel Basant
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-10 00:07
And what about bio?
Parent - By Weirwindle (***) Date 2013-12-10 01:10
I will also be in
13. Timothy COOKSON     WEIRWINDLE
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-10 01:53
No  Name                 Club        

1.  Garvin GRAY          GARVIN GRAY 
2.  Om PRAKASH           MASTER OM   
3.  Scott NICHOLS        SCOTT       
4.  George CLEMENT       KEOKI010    
5.  Nikolaos SARAKENIDIS TRANDISM    
6.  Djordje KASABASIC    ARMAGEDDON  
7.  Paul WATSON          NATIONAL12  
8.  Matt O'BRIEN         SCHATTMATT  
9.  Carlo ALTIERI        ITACA2      
10. Mark ELDRIDGE        MARK ELDRIDGE
11. David EVANS          DAVID EVANS 
12. Neel BASANT          NEELBASANT  
13. Timothy COOKSON      WEIRWINDLE
Parent - - By David Evans (****) Date 2013-12-13 11:59
Can we have a 14th please somebody step forward
Parent - - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-13 13:59

> Can we have a 14th please somebody step forward


The worst part of chess tournament promotion, whether it is online or otb. Players who leave their entries until the very last minute and then wonder why the same tournament is promoted poorly.
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