To me it seems that sore losers that couldn't beat Vas and team at the computer-chess board, have now turned to a different (dark) alley to try a different approach.
Personally I couldn't care less how he managed to develop the strongest chess playing entity in the world.
He did, I admire him and his work for that. I hope he doesn't give a flying F*** to all the dirt being thrown at him at the moment, and has the energy to keep working on his chess engine and not let his rival's current tactic confuse his game plan.
Ah the beauty of human nature, what a dull world it would be without it
I can't help but wonder how things would have gone if Vas had never said anything about.. er I forget if we can mention that engine. The one that started with an 's' anyways.
I regret my own part in taking a heady position and casting aspersions on those who questioned Vas on this – of course, this points to my own lack of insight and short comings. I am more disgusted with myself than I could be with Vas.
I don’t see a clear cut answer to any of this-
Perhaps this should be an indication rather of a need to consider a rewrite of the ICGA rules. Computer chess has been in absolute dynamic transition in the past years. In view of Vas' legacy -in that he brought to the sport a prominence and excitement it lacked hither to fore, it would be very wrong to focus only on technicalities that might be of importance only to a small group of individuals. It really is time to think outside the box.
> To me it seems that sore losers that couldn't beat Vas and team at the computer-chess board, have now turned to a different (dark) alley to try a different approach.
Agreed. It reflects badly on all of them.
1) I have been reading messages about fruit and hotels and Rybka for years. I find it hard to believe that it was just now that all of a sudden lots of proof of stealing has emerged. I suspect other motives.
2) On the other hand, I find the chronology of Rise of the Fish Part 1 to be a little suspicious. Coincidences happen, yes. Sometimes.
3) I rather doubt that today's fish has all that much in common with the fish from the first movie, let alone from the fruit or the hotel of the first movie.
4) I find the intended punishment, not all that well articulated, but one can probably guess at it, a little extreme. If the fish is staying out of the water, above all other fish, for year after year, I rather doubt it's because of an initial or even initial but repeated event from half a decade ago. I would say that it is a little late to fry a fish because of what may have happened half a decade ago. Let the fish swim, and see if it stays above all other fish. If it does, it's probably Vas' good programming skills. If it doesn't, well...
Mr. Rajlich may reply by giving us rybka 5 and cheaper access to the cluster.
> Personally I couldn't care less how he managed to develop the strongest chess playing entity in the world.
Based on this, the current #1 engine which childishly cannot be named here, should also be fully acknowledged.
The measuring with two measures is still going on by the Rybka team.
However it's a question that has many facets and I respect this forum owners and active moderators decision to the contrary.
So should vas say thanks to fruit rybka is as strong as it is today you cannot have it both ways.
I care not who did what and who got ides from who but i have the two faced of it all.
If vas got ideas from fuit maybe he should thanks the makers of fruit in the same way robert did about other engines.
if rybka is 100% vas idea then fine.....
When you pick a side in this discussion, a rational person would at least pick a side where there are no obvious contradictions one has to try to weasel out of...
I pick the side "follow the law and follow the rules." I have no contradictions to deal with, then.
This current nonsense would drastically alter even simple sporting events. One team is allowed to play out of bounds while the other is not. A significant advantage in basketball, football, soccer, baseball, etc...
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