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- - By Razor (****) Date 2010-03-15 18:04
Should there be a strong correlation between pricing and ELO rating and if so, is this how it is?
Parent - - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-15 18:22
No, that's not how it currently is.

To wit..

Deep Rybka 3 - 99,90 € 
Deep Fritz 11 - 99,90 €

I don't think price should reflect ELO. There are many reasons to buy an engine besides it's ultimate ELO rating.
Parent - - By Razor (****) Date 2010-03-15 18:49
I believe most people chase after ELO, or they have ELO as one of the most important aspects, so why shouldn't a chess engine be priced on performance?  CEGT/CCRL provide us with a good insight into what would be a fair pricing (if price were driven mainly by ELO) - for example, Naum 4.2 is about to be launched and there is a reasonable amount of speculation around its strength - some people have already commented on how they feel cheated on the performance of J11.1 - so it goes on.

My guess is that it is always much easier to charge a higher price when you can claim to have the strongest chess engine.
Parent - - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-15 18:55
[My guess is that it is always much easier to charge a higher price when you can claim to have the strongest chess engine. ]

Of course, but then you start to get into the situation of who is willing (or even, who can afford) to pay a premium for the strongest. If you had the strongest engine in the world, and priced it out of reach for 99.99% of consumers, you're not going to sell many copies of it. When you raise the price, you lose customers. There are whole books written on the topic of pricing products so that they reflect a certain level of quality, yet still remain accessible to your target consumers.
Parent - By Razor (****) Date 2010-03-15 19:06
Agreed, there is aways a sweet spot on pricing/market share, even for the strongest chess engine.  Conversely, this same argument can be used for chess engines at all strength levels - this is the point I'm making.  For example, if the sweet spot for R3 was around 60 euros and 30 euros for Hiarcs 12.1 then anything below H12.1 in strength but higher in price is likely to have a smaller number of sales.  Obviously this comparison can only be used for engine vs engine; this comparison becomes much more complex when you start bundling other bits such as a GUI application.
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2010-03-15 19:10
There are several elements to a product's attractiveness and demand.  Strength, exclusivity, mystique (brand), ease of use, features, packaging, distribution network, product support, etc.

Of course you can charge more for more ELO.  A lot more!  Consider Vas's Rybka Online project.  Feel like renting a powerful cluster 250 ELO points stronger than a fast quad for 100 euros per hour?  Or would you rather pay 100 euros to own a product that everyone else has and is 250 ELO points weaker?  It all depends on your station in life, doesn't it?  If you are an Arab sheikh or a Russian oligarch and you want a toy few can afford, then of course 100 euros per hour is nothing to you.  For that matter you might pay Vas 1,000,000 euros and have him move to Riyadh or Magnitogorsk to work right where you can talk to him whenever you like.
Parent - - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-15 19:26
I've got like... $20, and some pocket lint! I think he might like Chicago.. I'll run it by him. ;)
Parent - - By Razor (****) Date 2010-03-17 05:10
If you are a N4 owner, your $20 could just about buy you the N4.2 upgrade with the promise of 50 more ELO - tempted/good value?
Parent - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-17 12:06
I'm not a N4 owner, but depending on the tests that come out, I might be an N4.2 owner. :)
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2010-03-18 00:47
i am an Naum 4 owner and will def buy 4.2,i like its style of play.very attacking and can hold Rybka until late middlegame,when Rybka seems to be in a league of its own.if you google Naum 4.2 the only ref to it refers you to Rybka forum?
Parent - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2010-03-15 18:59

>My guess is that it is always much easier to charge a higher price when you can claim to have the strongest chess engine.


Some will advertise theirs by saying. We have a good engine that understands Blind Bishop and can under promote to Bishop :-D
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