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- - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 09:18 Edited 2010-03-11 09:41
Hello Dear Friends !

The Winner of SCCT Prize Book Tournament is Attacker 3 - Congratulations to Andriean Costinescu


Games:http://sedatchess.com/games/scctprize2010.rar

Note that the prize tournament is not finished yet and we still don't know which participant should be in second place ?!
Both participants(Hurricane+Iconoclast) have equal points,that's why they will be played 10 games match more...

This exiting duel for the second place between Hurricane vs Iconoclast can be seen in LIVE today at 20:00 o'clock (11.03.2010-turkish time):

For Live Broadcast:
http://www.justin.tv/sedatchess#r=OM6q55k~

Please see the time difference around the world:
http://24timezones.com/current_time/turkey_antalya_clock.php

Another alternative link-What Time Is It Around The World:
http://24timezones.com/map.htm

Best Regards,
Sedat Canbaz
Parent - - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-11 13:11
What a great tournament, thanks for all the effort Sedat!

Congratulations to everyone, especially Adriean..!

Good luck Nelson and Nikolay!
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 13:41
You are welcome,it's my pleasure...

Btw,very good performance by Uptown book !

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2010-03-11 13:15
Some interesting statistical trivia notes...

One Attacker-Ceko game was decided wtih Attacker never leaving book, and 38-move B90 wipe-out.

There were 47 games where white exited book with >1.00 evaluative advantage.  White won 43 of them and drew the rest.  Attacker easily topped the list here, with 22 such games with white.  Puissance was second with 7 such games.  With black, Attacker again led the field with 4 games where black was evaluating <-1.00 at book-exit.  Iconoclast had zero such games with either color.

Excluding Iconoclast's games, 609 of 1320 games (46%) were B90 contests and an additional 182 games were other variations of the Sicilian Najdorf, resulting in 60% of all games played within B90-B99.  Iconoclast never played a single game in this ECO range in 240 contests.  In fact it only played two 'B' games in total.

White had a median book-exit of +0.24 and attained an overall success rate of 53.55%.  The former is higher than you would expect (+0.15 is more typical) while the latter is a bit lower (54.2% is more common).  This suggests books are tuned more toward evaluations than empirical results, which is perhaps logical, as these books were all built on engine games where moves were originally decided by evaluations.  But you'd think .ctg would tend to correct this.

In contrast, Iconoclast with white had a median book-exit of +0.13 and a success rate of 58%.  I'm sure nobody matches that profile.  With black, the numbers are 0.00 and 49%, in other words neutralizing white's natural advantage.  Overall the book offered a 6-7 decipawn advantage over the field.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-03-11 13:41
Well done Nelson! What was the personal result of Attacker v Iconoclast?
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 13:42
Iconoclast                    :  20 (+  4,= 11,-  5), 47.5 %
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2010-03-11 15:05
In other words, Iconoclast WON 5 and lost 4.  The only book to have a winning record against Attacker.
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 15:10
Iconoclast WON 5 and lost 4
Yes...indeed only Iconoclast has performed better against Attacker !

As i mentioned before ''Iconoclast'' is very dangerous book for all book perticipants

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-03-11 15:28
I suspected something like that, that's why I asked :)

Congrats on bringing inspiration to other book makers, I just hope to see in the future more Iconoclast like books from other book makers, instead of this B90 craze that originally appeared due to a GUI bug!
Parent - - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-11 13:45
Thanks for the breakdown Nelson. I think you conclusively proved that even in a competition with some of the best books available, one can successfully avoid B90. Taking a cue from you, my next tournament book will try a similar tactic, and hopefully others will follow suit. Maybe we can get back to a 'chess' tournament, and not a 'B90-B99' tournament. :)
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 13:53
not a 'B90-B99' tournament
Yes,its very good idea,i think it will bring a lot fun...and then we will re-run the same books but this time only with 'B90-B99' openings :)

Greetings,
Sedat
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2010-03-11 15:18
Every person I persuade to follow my strategy makes it harder for an Attacker-type book to mop up.  Of course, my approach is also the tougher road.  You really need to think conceptually and work hard at it.  I did the former and not the latter.  If I had worked a lot harder I am sure I could have done a lot better.

It is informative to study the Attacker-Ceko games.  Attacker totally ran riot.  It might be helpful to think about why this happened.
Parent - - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-11 15:48
I agree.. B90 makes me tired, and has drained a lot of the enjoyment out of book-making for me. I've already started from scratch on a new book series.

You're right, it takes A LOT more work.. It's a new experience to continually run out of book around move 12-13, when in B90 you could almost reliably make it to move 24-25 or greater. But this is where the fun is, like exploring a new continent.
Parent - - By Sunny (***) Date 2010-03-11 15:51
Brandon, To win B90 you need a lots of efforts. I am also working on this side how to make new openings in B90 for the same lines every opening book is playing. I would say I love B90 and can't think of a book without B90 even if it is a draw. Even Book makers like Yuri have to shift to B90 from Caro-Kann :)
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2010-03-11 16:17
There is nothing wrong with B90.  The problems arise when someone is lazy or unprepared and plays B90 against other players that have done their homework.  Then it becomes a one-sided slaughter, skewing the tournament table in favor of whoever did the most B90 homework.  There is nothing wrong with preparation, mind you, and I can only congratulate Adriean for clearly doing a better job than anyone else. 

My point is that chess is, or ought to be, a two-player contest where both sides are trying to fight on terrain that favors them.  If you have players who frequently fight wherever their opponent wants you wind up with terrible mismatches, and if enough people do the same thing then the person most prepared to take advantage of predictable opponents will win every tournament.  The solution is obvious: be a lot less predictable in strategic terms so your opponents will not be able to use their deep preparation against you!  Use the element of surprise!  Try to overwhelm your opponents in openings YOU have picked, not them.
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 13:50
One Attacker-Ceko game was decided wtih Attacker never leaving book, and 38-move B90 wipe-out.
Is that good or not for Attacker participant ;-)?

Regards,
Sedat
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2010-03-11 15:10
I was not passing judgment, just stating a fact.  In my opinion a game that ends this way is a triumph for the book of the winner and a bit of a humiliation for the loser.
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 15:14
Yes...i have checked this game too and noticed that especially with the  same opening there many wins by Attacker,not only against Ceko,but against the rest book participants too
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2010-03-11 15:21
Yes, you see what I see. 

I am grateful that you ran this tournament, Sedat.  It was highly educational for bookmakers as we saw sharply contrasting approaches that can be closely analyzed and applied to future efforts.
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 15:29
I am grateful that you ran this tournament, Sedat.
Not at all...and many thanks for your nice words dear Nelson

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 13:36
SCCT Prize's Ratinglist Notes:

Calculation by Bayeselo:
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Rank Name                 Elo    +    -   games score oppo. draws

   1 Attacker 3           3330   32   32   240   61%  3265   51%
   2 Puissance 1.1        3287   31   31   240   53%  3269   65%
   3 Hurricane 3B Alesya  3286   31   31   240   53%  3269   61%
   4 Iconoclast           3286   31   31   240   53%  3269   64%
   5 Uptown 1.5           3278   31   31   240   52%  3269   59%
   6 Don 12               3274   31   31   240   51%  3270   55%
   7 Franven 1.2          3272   31   31   240   50%  3270   63%
   8 Fx7 4.1.1            3271   31   31   240   50%  3270   64%
   9 Dark Angel II        3266   31   31   240   49%  3270   58%
  10 Leschats 2.1         3255   31   31   240   47%  3271   58%
  11 Zeeman 2.3           3247   31   31   240   46%  3272   62%
  12 CompMaster 2010      3246   32   32   240   46%  3272   53%
  13 Ceko 12              3213   31   32   240   39%  3275   56%

Calculation by Elost 1.3:
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Rank  Program                      Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws

01 Attacker 3                     : 3332   31  31   240    61.0 %   3254   51.2 %
02 Hurricane 3B Alesya            : 3281   28  27   240    53.3 %   3258   60.8 %
03 Iconoclast                     : 3281   26  26   240    53.3 %   3258   64.2 %
04 Puissance 1.1                  : 3280   26  26   240    53.1 %   3258   64.6 %
05 Uptown 1.5                     : 3271   28  28   240    51.7 %   3259   59.2 %
06 Don 12                         : 3264   30  30   240    50.6 %   3260   54.6 %
07 Fx7 4.1.1                      : 3263   26  26   240    50.4 %   3260   64.2 %
08 Franven 1.2                    : 3260   27  27   240    50.0 %   3260   63.3 %
09 Dark Angel II                  : 3255   29  29   240    49.2 %   3260   57.5 %
10 Leschats 2.1                   : 3240   28  29   240    46.9 %   3262   57.9 %
11 CompMaster 2010                : 3233   30  30   240    45.8 %   3262   53.3 %
12 Zeeman 2.3                     : 3232   27  27   240    45.6 %   3262   62.1 %
13 Ceko 12                        : 3188   29  29   240    39.0 %   3266   56.2 %

Games        :   1560 (finished)

White Wins   :    374 (24.0 %)
Black Wins   :    263 (16.9 %)
Draws        :    923 (59.2 %)
Unfinished   :      0

White Perf.  : 53.6 %
Black Perf.  : 46.4 %

ECO A =    114 Games ( 7.3 %)
ECO B =   1043 Games (66.9 %)
ECO C =    338 Games (21.7 %)
ECO D =     47 Games ( 3.0 %)
ECO E =     18 Games ( 1.2 %)
Parent - - By Sunny (***) Date 2010-03-11 13:39

> Draws 923 (59.2 %)
>


Another interesting stats. Number of draws increasing with every tour.
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 14:03
Another interesting stats. Number of draws increasing with every tour.
That's means day by day,its hard to find holes in the opponents books

Btw,i have no patience to see you in the next tourney

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sunny (***) Date 2010-03-11 14:46

> Btw,i have no patience to see you in the next tourney
>
>


Thanks for your complements Sedat... I am experimenting on some on B ECO openings and Hope to get the results very soon. I have to work on two books, one for your tour and another for a friend of mine for his tours like that of Mundial Chess. In Last tour he was using some other book

Sunny
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 14:49
I have to work on two books, one for your tour
Very good news... :)

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-11 14:14
Well, if you compared % of draws for B90 vs % of draws for any other ECO, my guess is that the large number of draws is directly related to the B90 games.
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 14:46
my guess is that the large number of draws is directly related to the B90 games.
No...it depends on what kind of book you are using,if its your book is really very well tuned and optimized,then be sure you will get less draws

Of course i mean for super strong books

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-11 14:49
I agree Sedat, this is why Adrien won. I'm just trying to say that since most books played B90, and B90 has been very deeply researched, most likely the majority of the draws in the tournament were related to B90 games. I haven't  had a chance to look at the games yet, this is just an assumption.
Parent - - By Sunny (***) Date 2010-03-11 14:52
Brandon, B90 is very stong opening and the opening once considered a weak in B90 is extensively played now. ...h7. I once said I thought this is very good line and now playing weak but latter players started using it extensively.

http://www.rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?pid=126009;hl=yograj#pid121962
Parent - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-11 14:59
I agree Sunny! B90 is a very good opening, and there are many ways it can be played. I have no problem with B90.

I just feel things would be more interesting if book authors attempted a variety of openings. Right now almost every public book (including Uptown) published is concentrated on B90. That's not bad, it just makes for a lot of draws and predictable games.
Parent - - By bort1964R (*) Date 2010-03-11 15:10
My congratulations to the author of book Attacker 3 Adriean Costinescu, for fine work, your book has shown fantastic result. As I wish to thank all participants of the prize-winning tournament who has taken part in this really fascinating tournament. Special gratitude I express to mister Sedat that it has supported my idea in carrying out of such tournament and has organised completely on true fine and entertainment tournament. Huge to you thanks mister Sedat. N.Bartenev.
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 15:23
Special gratitude I express to mister Sedat
Thanks a lot for your kind words my Dear Friend,the prize idea is yours that's why we should be so thankful to you !!!

And i wish Good Luck to the both authors (Nikolay Bartenev and Nelson Hernandez) for the match which will be started very soon in LIVE

Anyone is welcome to watch this very interesting match in LIVE:
http://www.justin.tv/sedatchess#r=OM6q55k~

Greetings,
Sedat
Parent - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-11 17:07
Well, if you compared % of draws for B90 vs % of draws for any other ECO, my guess is that the large number of draws is directly related to the B90 games.

Turns out this guess was incorrect. B90-B99 results in around 54% draws.. while all the other openings combined results in draws 64% of the time.

I stand corrected.
Parent - - By ojh1993 (**) Date 2010-03-11 17:22
What is the best free and public book? Can u give me the download link? :)
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-12 09:28
One of the strongest free public books are:Uptown 1.5,Don 12,Fx7 4.1.1,LesChats2.1
You can find mostly of them in Moonrider site (as far as i know Don 12 is available in Reborn forum)

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 19:04 Edited 2010-03-11 19:13
My Congratulations to Nelson Hernandez and Nikolay Bartenev !

The match for second place is ended  in favour for Iconoclast (+3=5-2)


So the Final Standings:
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1.Attacker 3
2.Iconoclast
3.Hurricane 3B Alesya


Best,
Sedat
Parent - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-11 19:09
Wow, only 1 game out of 10 making the difference. Very very close!

Congrats Nelson, and Nikolay..!
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2010-03-11 19:41
[Doing an especially ferocious Maori haka dance]  Where's my MONEY?!
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 19:48
Check your PayPal account,the payment is already done
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2010-03-11 19:49
All right, time for a gin-and-tonic then.  I declare cigar season open!
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 19:53
So did you receive the little prize ?
I mean is it ok ???
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2010-03-11 19:57
Yes,  $32.00.  A $22.00 profit (less Paypal charges)!  I'm rich!!  Hot damn maybe now I can buy a tube of thermal paste.
Parent - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-11 19:58
Or you could buy National some R4 cluster time..
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 20:04
:)
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-03-12 02:14
I just hope to one day see an elimination tourney when a book plays a series of games against another book and eliminates it, it'd have been fun to see Iconoclast eliminating Attacker on the first round, if it had to play it :)
- - By josias mauricio (**) Date 2010-03-11 14:44
It was a very difficult tournament many books strong.
But what I like, was to have the opportunity to meet others and make friends.
still I much
learn from you all.
And I hope the next tournament my angel flies
go go Angel  copyright patented by Josias Mauricio jajaja
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 14:58
Dear Josias,

Don't worry...you are a real Gladiator,anyway as you are a very new in book making ...that's why you should be happy
Note also that in the current prize tournament all books were very strong !

Regards,
Sedat
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-03-11 18:03 Edited 2010-03-11 18:20
Right now the LIVE match (Hurricane vs Iconoclast) is started:
http://www.justin.tv/br/sedatchess#r=OM6q55k~

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-03-11 15:00
I agree Josias! It was great fun meeting and talking with the other authors and participants. I think we all know each other much better now! :)

I'm happy to have met everyone!
Parent - - By josias mauricio (**) Date 2010-03-11 15:15
I am the younger brother of the creators of books.
It's like I said we are competitors but we are friends.
The war is  between  for the books.
;-)
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