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Poll What would you give her as a Rybka mascot? (Closed)
10 1 2%
9 3 5%
8 11 19%
7 8 14%
6 10 17%
5 4 7%
4 6 10%
3 5 8%
2 5 8%
1 6 10%
- - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-11-03 14:53
This is the latest version of my Rybka:



Please vote on the poll and give your opinion about her as Rybka mascot :)
Parent - By yanquis1972 (****) Date 2009-11-03 15:42
the color pops out to me in a bad way, but i cant put my finger on why. the fish is perfect.
Parent - - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2009-11-03 15:56
Rybka is a fish. I think all(except some extremely rare kind of fishes) fishes have 2 sets of 2 symmetrical paired fins but the drawing of yours has only one pair.
Perhaps this is what you tried to show after all. That Rybka is a very rare exceptional fish!! If that was your intention then you've managed it by making it a one paired fins fish.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2009-11-03 16:15
Fish also have mouths, gills, and round eye sockets, and I don't know of any that have eyelashes. :-P
Parent - By keoki010 (Silver) Date 2009-11-03 16:56
+1 :smile:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-11-03 18:43
Vas dislikes complexity, I had to get rid of more details.
Parent - - By Permanent Brain (*****) Date 2009-11-04 21:26
:grin:
Parent - - By Permanent Brain (*****) Date 2009-11-05 13:57
I cannot believe that NOONE reacts to this proposal, as it obviously represents the "less details" requirement PERFECTLY.

Make contact to me or my lawyers for the royalty fees for that image... :lol:
Parent - By Henrik Dinesen (***) Date 2009-11-05 14:04
It is not simple enough: The X in the tale is eXtremely compleX ;)
Parent - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2009-11-05 16:48
looks a bit like that Jesus Ichthys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2009-11-03 19:21
I'd prefer a different color...maybe orange-rust.  Smaller eyes: this looks like hentai stuff.  Agree with the others: you need gills and mouth.  And personally I'd prefer a scaly sheen.  It doesn't have to be anatomically correct, but it ought to look more fishy and less cartoon-y.

Nice lighting and shadowing effects.
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2009-11-03 21:06 Edited 2009-11-03 21:09
I think a gun-metal grey, gills, scales and with the eyes the same color but staring at you. :)

Vytron is it ok if I can save it to my computer and play with it?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-11-03 23:15

> Vytron is it ok if I can save it to my computer and play with it?


Yeah, though keep in mind, the original was a lot more detailed and Vas made me get rid of the details, so a mascot to be used must be "the less the better."
Parent - - By yanquis1972 (****) Date 2009-11-04 12:14
good for vas, i dont really get the criticisms. real fish are ugly. this one looks cool. scales gills etc? screw that.

i agree with the metallic gray comment. that's the color iwas thinking of as well. doesnt have to be dull, but something sleek looking & to remind one of the silicone nature of the fish. the color right now is a bit too loud or off for me.
Parent - - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2009-11-04 12:26

>good for vas, i dont really get the criticisms. real fish are ugly. this one looks cool. scales gills etc? screw that.


I don't think real fish are ugly generally. There are fish that are very nice looking. Although it's a subjective matter i think most people would find e.g the Mandarinfish very spectacular.

Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-11-04 19:26
Real fishes are also a lot more detailed, I think Vas would faint upon seeing the Mandarinfish.
Parent - - By Henrik Dinesen (***) Date 2009-11-04 21:07
Not good, would delay Rybka developement ;)
Parent - By ssace (**) Date 2009-11-05 01:39
No doubt real fish are pretty....however, when I think of what a mascot is...it should have character and be symbolic of the movement, that is Rybka.
I agree with Vas about simplicity.  A simple yet powerful image is more interesting and memorable than a detailed image.  To much detail distracts from
the point of the mascot. 

If I want to see detailed fish, I'll go to the dentist and look in the aquarium. ;)
Parent - - By Sandalls (**) Date 2009-11-04 05:46
Of all the designs posted over the months, and some were really clever, this is the 1st one that really appeals to me as a Rybka symbol.  It's a really clean design but with some "oompf".  The eye looks intelligently alert and menacing.  The forward arched dorsal fin looks aggressive, and the two fins look like fists poised for a real fight.  The main color is nice, and the pattern of shading is subtly reminiscent of sharks dorsal fins or sharks teeth.  Very nice, Vytron.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-11-04 19:25
Thanks Sandalls :)
Parent - By BenVanVlierden (***) Date 2009-11-05 15:01
I miss the torpedo launch tubes ....
Parent - - By CumnorChessClub (***) Date 2009-11-05 21:23
What about this as a logo



From Jerry Anderson's Stingray TV series
Parent - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2009-11-06 18:13
Looks like a dead Rybka.
- - By ssace (**) Date 2009-11-04 01:28
I think it's perfect the way it is.  Would anyone want to mess with that fish.  A tough looking lady I must say.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-11-04 01:38
Thanks, I have to say that I love that color, that's why I gave it to her, unfortunately it's the main reason people aren't giving a higher score, luckily, changing her color is trivial, we'll see tomorrow.
Parent - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2009-11-04 03:17
I like it too its growing on me :) I gave the fish as whole a 9.0/10.0 :)
- - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-11-05 01:51
I'd also like to hear from the 20 people that voted <5, the comments don't give an idea that she is so bad :)
Parent - - By purplejacket (**) Date 2009-11-05 06:05
Why?  What you've implemented looks like a cartoon, not the strongest chess program on the planet.

I remember going back to Fritz 6, Chessbase had some awesome graphics for their programs.  Here's Fritz 6:

http://www.classicalgames.com/Merchant2/graphics/products/001064.gif

And now you give us a cartoon.
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2009-11-05 06:23
Looks like the king is being held in a concentration camp...
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-11-05 06:27
Ok thanks.

I've been trying to mold up the logo to Vas's vision, and he wants something simple, a realistic fish would be much more complex, so that's the wrong direction, that only leaves us with a cartoon, or no fish at all, but I'm still trying to go for a fish because I've dreamed of a fish of mine to be used to depict Rybka, I wouldn't be interested on Vas using a graphic of mine if it wasn't a fish.

My attempt before this one is currently outperforming this, but that's mainly because several people gave it a 10, I'm afraid some of these people already voted and think the other attempt was better, but just look at Vas's posts, he made me get rid of possibly what made people like the fish on the first place, and since he's the one that is going to decide whether she'll be used, we're currently with this version.

I'm mostly interested in what people have to say to improve her, as long as it's not putting more detail, being more realistic can only be done by adding elements, but the "improvement" has came from getting rid of them.
Parent - By purplejacket (**) Date 2009-11-05 16:40
I can see you're trying hard but I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel.
Parent - - By purplejacket (**) Date 2009-11-05 16:47
I think this is interesting stylistically:
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2009-11-05 16:53
Too bad the artist had no clue as to how chess is played...
Parent - By Trahald (**) Date 2009-11-05 06:32 Edited 2009-11-05 06:35
What's wrong with cartoons? Some of the greatest characters in media and print are cartoons. I love 'em.

But like several here seemingly, I'm not to enthralled with the colour of this one. Besides that, pretty good!

Edit* On a second glance, maybe slightly smaller eyes as Nelson suggested above. 6/10
Parent - - By Quapsel (****) Date 2009-11-05 08:01

> What you've implemented looks like a cartoon, not the strongest chess program on the planet.


If it's the logo for the clearly "strongest chess program on the planet" it should be something like a cartoon, funny, nice, small.
Let weaker engines use terrible logos.

In times, when suddenly Fritz1 was there, very strong on the PC, it was a very good Idea too to give the program that 'small' name, not another colossus, Grandmaster, Chessmaster, XYZmaster, superfighter, everything-and-everyone-destroyer...
Understatement makes sympathy. "I'll ask my Fritz..."

Quap

PS:
In my opinion that fish doesn't need to look so very angry.
Parent - By Milton (***) Date 2009-11-05 08:12

>In my opinion that fish doesn't need to look so very angry.


I think it has a vision problem.  Maybe it needs glasses.
- - By Ruslan_M Date 2009-11-05 14:20
some fishes:



Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-11-05 19:35
I'd like to hear Vas's opinion on these fishes :)
Parent - By Vasik Rajlich (Silver) Date 2009-11-07 08:17
Thanks for the ideas. :) I'll sit down later and make a decision ..

Vas

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