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- - By tigershark (**) Date 2009-10-27 18:23 Edited 2009-10-27 18:26
In a separate thread I mentioned I have 32 bit XP O/S and am thinking of running a dual boot with 64-bit linux (ubuntu) so i can use 64 bit versions of Rybka (and shredder 12).

It seems however that getting chessbase 9 to work with linux 64 bit isn't easy / possible.

So now, I wonder about installing ubuntu 64 bit on a flash drive and using shredder 12 64 bit as that comes with a linux GUI.

Is the 64 bit version of shredder linux much stronger than the 32 bit of shredder linux? (and I assume shredder 12 windows and shredder 12 linux are equally strong?)
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-27 18:29 Edited 2009-10-27 23:04
Try if Chessbase 9 works with the latest Wine version. According to this page it should work: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7999.
Just test it, if it runs well with Wine, it's easy to install.

Shredder Linux is a solid but relatively minimalistic GUI, Shredder 64 bit should be as strong as 32 bit.

Btw., if you wait 2 days, you can download the latest Ubuntu version with a better Wine integration.
Parent - - By tigershark (**) Date 2009-10-27 19:42
Thanks. But can I use wine with 64 bit ubuntu? Don't I need microwine for that?
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-27 20:01
wine for the GUI, microwine for Rybka. See http://rybkachess.com/index.php?auswahl=Linux
Parent - - By tigershark (**) Date 2009-10-28 06:55 Edited 2009-10-28 07:00
Very helpful article Felix.  As someone who has never used Ubuntu / Linux it seems like there are lots of command prompts (I'm not a programmer but a point and click user).  Once it is all set up, I assume I can just point and click?

Also, I was a bit lost on the part about a server.  Do I still need to do all that if I am working off a laptop rather than a network?

Or does this lack of understanding simply show I should stick with windows?
Parent - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2009-10-28 07:42

>> Or does this lack of understanding simply show I should stick with windows?


Maybe you should try Ubuntu. Well, I haven't been using a long time either. Maybe 3 to 4 months. That was after Felix's never-give up persuasion. I tried it and I like it a lot. In fact, the only reason I am still using Windows is because of other applications like Visual Studio.
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-28 14:33
It's all very easy, just when you try to run a 32bit windows program and a 64 bit program so that they can communicate, it's getting tricky. But it's less complicated than it looks. The command things can also be done with graphical interfaces, but command line is faster.
Parent - By sg4032 Date 2009-10-27 20:27
According to the CEGT rating list, Shredder 12 64bit is still 90 ELO points weaker than Rybka 3 32-bit.

http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_40%20Rating%20List/40_40%20All%20Versions/rangliste.html

3   Rybka 3 w32 2CPU       3137
11   Deep Shredder 12 x64 2CPU   3047
Parent - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2009-10-27 20:03

> Btw., if you wait 2 days, you can download the latest version with a better Wine integration.


It better Be :)
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-29 19:32
The latest version of Ubuntu can be downloaded today: http://www.ubuntu.com/
Parent - - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2009-10-29 20:16
My sound does not play, in Jaunty it was fine :(
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-29 20:51
I'm still downloading the update, let's see what happens :)

Maybe it's something simple like volume set to 0 for your system, you could check in the audio settings you can access via the little icon in the main bar.
Parent - - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2009-10-29 21:28
I am thinking of reinstalling Jaunty and upgrade it to Karmic :-D
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-29 21:49
A clean installation is always better than an update btw. . If you don't have that many programs installed, you could consider it.
Parent - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2009-10-29 23:10
Everything thing is fine now. I started all over again :)
Parent - - By tigershark (**) Date 2009-10-30 11:22
My graphics card is a SIS one. It appears it is not compaitble with Ubuntu / Linux :-(
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-31 00:17
It's compatible, but no 3D-support is available. However, you should blame SIS for it.
Parent - By tigershark (**) Date 2009-11-02 09:22
Regardless of whose fault it is; the end result is that I'll have to stay with XP unless I want to mess around with drivers which will give me no acceleration (i.e. worse performance than I currenly have)

So Ubuntu will have to wait until I get a PC in the future with a different graphics card (that'll be a few years as my PC isn't that old)
Parent - - By GCP (***) Date 2009-10-30 15:30
Ah, Ubuntu: the instability of Debian unstable but without the updates :)
Parent - - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2009-10-30 16:11

> Ah, Ubuntu: the instability of Debian unstable but without the updates :-)


It looks stable o me GCP. Maybe it's because I haven't used it intensively. What do you use?
Parent - - By GCP (***) Date 2009-10-30 16:40
A combination of CentOS (RHEL) and Debian. I use (K)ubuntu when the customer for whom I am consulting also uses it.

Ubuntu consists of taking the unstable packages from Debian and then providing no upgrades (just security updates) for them. So often many packages have serious bugs but you can't upgrade them. The easy installation makes it good for starting people but I doubt long term users will be happy with it.
Parent - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2009-10-30 16:50

> but I doubt long term users will be happy with it.


Felix is happy with it :-D
Parent - By Sesse (****) Date 2009-10-30 21:54
Strictly speaking this is not really 100% true anymore -- the delta from Debian to Ubuntu is pretty large, and a large chunk of the Ubuntu packages have been repackaged for whatever (usually stupid) reason.

/* Steinar */
- Debian developer and user
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-31 00:15
I use it for some years now and I'm happy with it. :)
It's not that different from Debian, the main advantages are in the usability area.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2009-10-31 01:57
Its for server i think. Is it user friendly ?
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-31 07:47
Debian is available for servers, too, but it's also a common desktop distribution, if you are an experienced user it should be a good ubuntu alternative.
Parent - - By GCP (***) Date 2009-10-31 08:35
Debian stable is excellent for servers. It would be a good alternative to RHEL/CentOS.
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-31 09:15
Btw., for servers I would rather recommend Debian than Ubuntu, too, so I'm not a brainless 100% Ubuntu fan, don't worry :)
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2009-10-31 17:43
What about Gentoo?
Parent - - By Sesse (****) Date 2009-10-31 18:21
Perhaps we need a Linux distribution flamewar subforum...

/* Steinar */
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2009-11-01 02:34
Why not?? . I think its the Future OS
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2009-10-31 01:57
Why Kubuntu?
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-31 07:46
KDE has some advantages if compared to gnome, for example the interface looks quite good with the standard settings and it comes with a build in browser. However, in my experience gnome was a bit more "solid", I think KDE costs slightly more performance than gnome.
Parent - By GCP (***) Date 2009-10-31 08:33

>However, in my experience gnome was a bit more "solid"


KDE went through a major change when going from 3.5 to 4.0, and broke many things. I think only in 4.3.x things are starting to get settled again.

3.5.x is rock solid if you can live with slightly older versions.
Parent - By GCP (***) Date 2009-10-31 08:29 Edited 2009-10-31 08:32
KDE apps integrate slightly better than GNOME apps, but this is largely personal preference. Ubuntu is built around GNOME more, I understand.
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-31 00:11
Debian has also it's disadvantages :) I think a lot of little things are simply more user friendly in Ubuntu. However, Debian is very good, too. My brother used it for quite some time before I told him about Ubuntu :)
Parent - - By GCP (***) Date 2009-10-31 08:31

>I think a lot of little things are simply more user friendly in Ubuntu.


Particularly for the installation, this is true.

>My brother used it for quite some time before I told him about Ubuntu :-)


At some point he will run into a serious bug and not want to wait 6 months to (maybe!) get a fix :)
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-31 09:12
I don't think so, he studies informatics and will easily find some way to fix bugs if there would be any. :)
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) Date 2009-11-01 21:19

>> I think a lot of little things are simply more user friendly in Ubuntu.
> Particularly for the installation, this is true.


The last time I checked (9.something), Ubuntu's installation order was braindead:

1) Render the system unbootable by overwriting the MBR
2) Install the OS, hoping nothing goes wrong.

It's like setting a pointer to a random location, then calling malloc and hoping it returns the same address...
Parent - - By Sesse (****) Date 2009-11-01 21:26
Err? The GRUB installation is pretty late in the process...

/* Steinar */
Parent - By Vempele (Silver) Date 2009-11-01 21:32

> Err? The GRUB installation is pretty late in the process...


They must've changed it. IIRC it was right after partitioning.

But still, "pretty late" isn't late enough unless it's the last thing you do. Just today, Chakra's installer hung on me trying to create a user... (the bootloader would've been the second-to-last step, before "Configure system").
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