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- - By r_y_b_k_a_f_a_n (*) Date 2009-10-24 13:07
Hello everyone
Firstly congrats to Vas n the team for their recent victory.
Vas if you holding back on the release coz of the global recession, u misjudging the rybka diehards,
we'll buy it at any price, we certainly not shy to pay for our addiction
I would not hesitate to pay $1000 for Rybka 4,
btw I just invested $75,000 on the SGI octaneII, (20 quad core core, W5590 nehalem processor) for Rybka 4
Are you willing to pay $1000 for rybka 4, Vas needs the encouragement!!!.

Keep well!!!
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2009-10-24 13:19
That computer is a cluster. Rybka 4 will only be capable of using 8 cores of it.
Parent - - By r_y_b_k_a_f_a_n (*) Date 2009-10-24 16:39
is there a claster version available
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-24 17:12
yes, but the cluster version is private and won't be published with Rybka 4.
Parent - - By Bouddha (****) Date 2009-10-24 20:54
8 cores ?

In Rybka 3, there is nearly no cores limit.

regards
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2009-10-24 23:31
Kullberg was referring to the cluster, normal Rybka can use all cores as long it used a shared memory pool, a cluster doesn't, that's why not all cores can be used on the super machine mentioned above.
Parent - By Bouddha (****) Date 2009-10-25 07:39
Thanks for the clarification
Parent - By Eagleclaww (***) Date 2009-10-24 23:20
8 cores, does that mean 8 threads? Intel is almost certain to release 12 thread (6 core) desktop CPU's. From what I understand, it will be the "high end desktop" CPU with the die shrink to 32 nm. Everybody is curious what "Sandy Bridge" will bring to the table.
-Sandy Bridge is the farthest Intel will say in its roadmap. Its the 32nm marchatechture change. (Westmere I think, is what Nelaham marchatechture shrunk to 32nm.)

But so far, Intel has been tight lipped about what exactly Sandy Bridge will do. I think its pretty interesting about Sandy Bridge: its been on the roadmap for at least 2 years (and its at least a year or 2 out from fruition), but so far, Intel hasn't given the slightest hint of whats after Sandy Bridge, as far as marchetechture. Obviously, the Sandy Bridge will have an expected die shrink to 22nm, whatever Intel may call it.

So for now, Sandy Bridge is maybe 18 – 24 months away. The die shrink to 32 nm I think is just a few months away, first half 2010 for sure.
Parent - - By r_y_b_k_a_f_a_n (*) Date 2009-10-25 14:20
Hiya,
what analyses (kn/s) can i expect on the 8 core nehalem w5590 for rybka 3
i am seeing 350 at start on chess assistant 10 GUI, and flucuates between 350-450 for most of the game and much higher as the number of pieces on board is reduced.
In blitz games 5min<, is persistant has beneficial, or hash only, is the analysis saved automatically or do i have to save after every play, btw i observe the folder size 2gb.
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2009-10-25 14:41
Your kn/s look perfectly normal. You get best results when you switch off hyperthreading. Persistent hash should be off in games.
Parent - - By Bouddha (****) Date 2009-10-25 14:52

> Persistent hash should be off in games.


why ?
Parent - By Vempele (Silver) Date 2009-10-25 15:04
Because of the bug with Write depth being used for Play depth.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-10-26 07:45

>> Persistent hash should be off in games.
> why ?


The consequences of what Vempele said is that Rybka won't update her analysis with higher depth, so, if she loses a game, after reaching the same position she will probably play the same losing moves instantly, missing the point of Persistent Hash.

In other cases, after a long think she will play instantly moves that maybe are not best, which also messes up her time management because she doesn't know that she'll play instantly, so she'll have much more time on the clock than necessary and she'll never use it (because instant moves will keep coming), leading to weaker play. A final problem is that she may choose to play a 3-fold repetition on a winning position.

You can try sidestepping these issues seeing what average depth Rybka reaches and setting Write Depth to a couple plies beyond this value, so that she only plays instantly on high depth positions where she wouldn't reach a higher depth anyway, but finding this optimal value would require playing a lot of games, and on positions were Rybka differs from her average depth by a significant margin you'll get weaker play, which would possibly nullify the advantages you'd get, that's why the easiest is just to keep it off.
Parent - By Bouddha (****) Date 2009-10-26 18:59
Thanks a lot !
Parent - By M ANSARI (*****) Date 2009-10-29 05:11
350 seems low for starting position and it is normal to get higher readings with less material.  I think that is less than what an Octa 4.2 Ghz Skulltrail has on start up but I need to check that again.  I would think it should be around 100 kns more.
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2009-10-24 13:23
I once had the idea to create some extra limited Rybka fan packages with extra stuff like autographed package, tshirts, Rybka lipbalm and so on.

Looks like there's a market for it, but I doubt there will be something like this for Rybka 4 :)
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-10-24 15:25
I'm sure Vas accepts donations :)
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2009-10-25 01:11
hi Uly,just had an interesting take on myself,a guy asked what my Avatar on Hiarcs forum meant.i said bottom of the barrel.within a few moments a moderator stepped in and said i had it all wrong.it meant the man behind the throne.now i am not one to get bigheaded but it was rarther nice to hear that i am not just a pain in the arse.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-10-25 02:35
Your avatar could also mean "the secret weapon" :)
Parent - By Hurnavich (Bronze) Date 2009-10-24 15:40
Not all of us can pay that silly amount for RYBKA 4 Take more water with the tablets -)
Parent - - By Highendman (****) Date 2009-10-24 18:27
Well, the price of oil is at a recent high, so that may explain ;)
Parent - By Akbarfan (***) Date 2009-10-24 19:06
:-) :-) :-)
Parent - - By M ANSARI (*****) Date 2009-10-24 19:56
Actually in our area the recession has hit quite hard for some reason, and although things are getting back to normal it is still nothing like the heady highs of a couple of years ago.  I tend to think that what we have today is more reality and what was a couple of years ago was freaky.  Also, the price of oil might be high, but the value of the dollar is in the gutter ... and since oil is sold in dollars it sort of evens out.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2009-10-24 20:32
Demand for oil is pretty low right now. Its hard to believe that when demand picks up again, prices won't increase as well...
Parent - - By Roland Rösler (****) Date 2009-10-24 20:43
But nobody knows the further way of the $; maybe always downhill.
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2009-10-24 21:16
George Soros believes the dollar is oversold right now. I suspect he's right...
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2009-10-24 22:48 Edited 2009-10-24 22:51
and since oil is sold in dollars it sort of evens out.(Majid)

so are Cuban Cigars,good time to buy.

here is a good Swiss source

http://www.1001cubancigars.com/
Parent - - By keoki010 (Silver) Date 2009-10-24 23:06
Might not be quite so good.  The mayor of New Orleans was in Cuba last week on a trade junket... :lol: No telling what he's bought and sold!
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2009-10-24 23:27
buy now if USA lifts embargo Habanos will increase prices,bit like night follows day.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2009-10-24 23:56
to HEM,relax on Rybka forum as things are getting tough in Hiarcs games.
Parent - - By Vasik Rajlich (Silver) Date 2009-10-25 05:50
Cool. :) Don't worry, I am not delaying anything for business reasons.

Vas
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-10-25 08:17

> I am not delaying anything for business reasons.


Thanks for saying that! I'll direct here the conspiracy theorists that think you made a deal with chessbase to delay Rybka 4 until they get enough sales on Fritz :yell:
Parent - By herakleitos (***) Date 2009-10-29 17:23
Also cool. Just test the s**t out of it and release.

The Redskins will not distract you this season ...
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2009-10-25 06:34
Hey Rybkafan I got a bridge to sell ya!
Parent - By r_y_b_k_a_f_a_n (*) Date 2009-10-25 19:18
Anonymus, If rybka 4 is on the other side, consider the bridge sold
Parent - By Rowlando (***) Date 2009-10-25 11:15

> I just invested $75,000 on the SGI octaneII, (20 quad core core, W5590 nehalem processor) for Rybka 4


If you need to make room for that beast and feel like donating some old gear to charity I'll cover the shipping fees. ;-)
Parent - By yanquis1972 (****) Date 2009-10-29 05:26
lol i have that same windows experience index score. HDD is a killer on that thing.  ;)
Parent - By Sesse (****) Date 2009-10-29 17:12
Spending $75000 on a computer and then running Windows Vista on it... I'm sure it is a joke, but I still cringe. =)

/* Steinar */
- - By John998 (**) Date 2009-10-25 06:56 Edited 2009-10-25 07:54
You can have the most expensive cluster,core,thread or whatever you want to call it commercially available computer for Ryb 3 or 4...but if you are not super skilled at using Ryb,especially in correspondence play,you can easily lose against other Ryb users and even weaker chess programs or get so many draws that it will fill up a football stadium.You can also lose using Ryb 3 or 4 even if another opponent has a much less expensive computer.I have proven this time and time again in various chess sites around the world.I laugh at people that brag like the one above about how much they paid for a computer(probably a liar,if they boast) and then falsely believe that they will have some kind of edge over other cheaper and slower computer systems using Ryb 3 or 4.Plus "Rybfan" braggert,you most likely have use of such a system(maybe),but your employer probably owns it,not you.You can fool others,but not me and i'll make sure the world knows about liars like you!
IF I use the correct default settings,play infinite analysis at the correct moments,use Ryb or Human settings accurately depending upon the closed or open position,switch over correctly from Human back to Ryb at the precise moments and i'm razor sharp at positively knowing which openings to play for both white and black using not only Ryb book stats but world stats and research the opponents past games with a fine tooth comb and seek out his weakness's ahead of time....well,I can beat the opponent above that laughably bragged about a 75,000 computer and beat him with a single core cheapo!!!!!!!!!!(and guess what?,i've beaten known Ryb users in the past using one of my old singlecores,Ryb3 and the other opponent was using a quad with Ryb3!!!!)I do however,now have an HP Quad 9750 with 8GB memory,terabyte Hard Drive,64 bit and at about 1,100 dollars,that is good enough for me!With my average correspondence rating of over 2500 which was mostly accomplished using a quad that is thousands less than the braggart above,I think I know what i'm talking about and doing.
Hey 75,000 braggart!Don't meet me on a correspondence site,because I'll rip your overrated waste of money machine and Ryb 4 to pieces!!!!And if your not using Ryb 3 or 4 for correspondence,then why bother with some kind of super computer,when a single core using Ryb 3 or 4 on probably a handicap setting will rip you to pieces!
Don't come on this Ryb site again Rybfan and try to think your something special with some kind of supercomputer you probably read about and now fantasize about with the readers here and make yourself 6'10" tall when your probably 5'2",fat and balding!Now put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Parent - By Phil Harris (***) Date 2009-10-25 10:08
I seriously think you need some medical help John...
Parent - - By M ANSARI (*****) Date 2009-10-25 10:15
What the hell is the problem with you?  Where did all the animosity come from?  The one that sounds like he is bragging is you.  The guy was simply excited about getting a new computer and was hoping it would maximize his Rybka's strength ... nothing wrong with that, almost everyone here is looking for the same goal.  Not everyone is as skilled, as talented or a phenomenally gifted chess player as you are.
Parent - - By yanquis1972 (****) Date 2009-10-25 11:34
well, maybe john couldve been a bit more...diplomatic...but the truth is if this guy is being honest he sounds like a fool with far more money than he knows what to do with. $75000 on a machine for rybka 4? and it will in all likelihood be worth no more than 5K to anyone in 2 years time? and he's probably going to use it primarily for a playchess rating or something (god i hope im wrong here)?

oh, and rybka 4 can only use about 3-4 thousand dollars worth of that 75K. whoops.
Parent - - By Not the real Kasparov (***) Date 2009-10-25 12:22
75k to him is like 2k to the average person so its all relative in terms of spending your disposable income, what this whole thread highlights is not so much rybka fan bragging, but others showing there insecurities at people who have more money then they do.

So what if he is spending so much? Good for him, if its not the pc then maybe a new car? Or something else?

Grow up.
Parent - - By yanquis1972 (****) Date 2009-10-27 00:17
a thread in which the initial post explicitly states the poster spent 75000 dollars on a computer to run rybka, when that computer will not in fact run rybka, and i point this out...we learn that i am insecure and need to grow up?? wtf is wrong with you dude?

quit politicking or whatever the hell youre doing and get real. it was a dumb investment and OP should wise up, not that i feel sorry for him, as im sure it was 'disposable' dollars to him & he can surely return the thing.

shut up.
Parent - - By Not the real Kasparov (***) Date 2009-10-29 03:53
Get real about what? The fact that other people have more money than I do?

What I'm trying to say is that if someone feels like spending 1 million on a computer then that's there choice, who the fuck are you to judge them?

It's your ego insecurities that make you defend yourself, I'm saying grow up and respect other people. Not put them down like your some kind of God...
Parent - - By yanquis1972 (****) Date 2009-10-29 03:54
youre being absolutely ridiculous, theres really nothing more i can say.

it was a dumb purchase as outlined by the buyer.
Parent - By Not the real Kasparov (***) Date 2009-10-29 04:03
Ridiculous is totally subjective right? I usually don't get involved in many threads here but when I see someone get attacked it angers me and I feel the need to defend them, irrespective of what decision they have made know one should put them down, that's all I was saying.

Usually when you pick on someone it's because of your own insecurities, not talking about you but picking on in general, so it's easy to spot out when reading threads here.

We should be a little more mature with how we treat people, even when replying to them. :)
Parent - By garyf919 (**) Date 2009-10-29 20:30
I think based on the money this guy is willing to spend, maybe Vas can sell him his current version of the Cluster R4 Ryba
or maybe make him a beta tester. That would undoubtedly be a good move on Vas's part. He has failed to deliver R3+
or R4 in about a year and a half time. He's not a business man, but maybe this fellow with all the cash can buy the
rights to R4 from Vas and employ him at the same time. I'm sure Vas could set his price as a software developer, but
thats all. Maybe there's a better businessman out there that can take over the business of marketing and selling R4.
I do think that's the case. I hope the man with the money see's this. Let's all hope that Vas does something soon!
Something is better than nothing!
Parent - - By Not the real Kasparov (***) Date 2009-10-29 04:00
Who cares what the computer will run? If he can afford to slurge 75k then so be it.

I'm simply defending him, and I think it's highly rude for people to call him a fool, are you perfect?

Have some respect. It angers me when I read these condescending threads, can't we be a little more civil? 

Also, your not his financial planner and don't know his financial situation so you really can't call the investment dumb.

I can't see what he did wrong here, was he really bragging? Not everyone is poor.
Parent - - By yanquis1972 (****) Date 2009-10-29 04:07
i dont think he was bragging per se, no. not any more than i would if i had such a machine or had built or bought a machine i was proud of. in fact id probably brag a lot more. ;)

the other stuff, youre just saying stuff i already know. maybe i was too rude in which case i apologize. i have little sympathy for the financial situations of people who can throw away 75000 dollars, but im still a nice enough guy to advise them its not a wise thing to do. and yes, read the post. he said he bought the computer to run rybka, which it wont do as of right now. it was 'not wise'. but it isnt my money and i really dont care all that much. 

im not terribly insecure, i think, and i dont 'pick on' people. i dont even make a point of not doing that, its just not me. im not pickign on this guy, i just think he made an unwise financial decision and because he must be in a pretty good place financially to have much such a terrible decision, im not bothering to be gentle in pointing that out. im very much a libertine in all respects and i afford everyone else the same respect.

this guy can do whatever he likes with his money, and i can say its not wise, but im not telling him how to spend it and i wont care if he does end up spending it on this computer. hope you better understand where i was coming from now and sorry for telling you to shut up but i didnt really see where you were coming from either.
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