>there are no updates for the book, but you can edit the book manually of course.
If you're gonna edit it manually and do all the work in the end why waste money buying it, better is to just create your own. The lack of updates is also the lack of dedication the author puts on the book, some public book authors update more frequently and puts more quality in making it and are more dedicated in book making.
After 8 months work Jeroen needed a break. it was clear from the beginning that it's not updated.
You can't compare Jeroen's book with those public available books. Jeroen's book is a good opening reference and intended for much more than just computer chess.
And why aren't top public computer chess books not considered as good opening reference? And how do you use rybka 3 book for human training/reference anyway?
Thanks in advance.
> And why aren't top public computer chess books not considered as good opening reference?
Because most are focused on a very small fragment of ECO, so the likelihood of finding the opening you want to reference is very low.
Recently someone created a 15KB book or something that refuted the top book of the time, that's how few they cover in reality.
>while refuting Jeroen's book took weeks.
Not true, It was only 20 elo stronger on the latest tested books and did not even beat some of the untested earlier public books like CompMaster2 etc., http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=6377#pid94361
The guys who used it on engine room first did not even achieved a remarkable result and I don't even have to tune my private book that much in order to beat it because it was already beating it without tuning :-)
Adult chess players have other demands.
P.S. Nobody outside of the Playchess engine room gives a shit which rank you achieve there. So make sure that you don't waste your time. Living time is limited.
>P.S. Nobody outside of the Playchess engine room gives a shit which rank you achieve there. So make sure that you don't waste your time. Living time is limited.
Just because you don't like it does not mean no one cares. For me it is useful for corr chess and private book tuning.
The rybka 3 book that most of you rybka fans are praising every now and then (even though it has been refuted long ago) are made with some parts of engine room theory. In fact jeroen mentions it in his credits: http://rybkachess.com/index.php?auswahl=Rybka+3+book
"The Playchess engine room, what you guys do is amazing and without you this opening book would never exist!"
And even rybka teams new book maker jiri is also known to be a playchess engine room commoner. They even chose it to search opponents for the Rybka cluster there because most of good freestylers are known to be engine room commoners..
>Because most are focused on a very small fragment of ECO, so the likelihood of finding the opening you want to reference is very low.
That depends on what you really want. I don't really care if I got a small repertoire, as long as I am winning I don't really care. And if your opponent won't cooperate you won't get to almost 70-85%% of the ECO openings. If you want to master all ECO openings where you will mostly not use all of them knock yourself out. It is like studying biology for your calculus test.
>Hardware, the strongest engine you can find, a free book to go with it, preferably small, as long as YOU win.
This is probably one of the most persistent computer chess myth alive. Most of engine room players already uses the strongest engine and the fastest hardware available today. And even you got the fastest hardware it won't be enough, you still got to have something special in your book, it is a combination of many things by the way. And yes you may win a lot at first using a free book, but expect it will be short lived because everybody has it everybody can easily tune against it.
>Go on playchess to kick some ass ? That is a pretty pathetic picture. I feel sorry for you. Tell me, how long did your 'triumph' last ?
Well for me playing at engine room has been useful for corr chess and for my private book tuning and probably made me understand some opening or even little chess knowledge that I can use in human play.
If you don't understand it, like it, or see the point of it, that is ok. Since I know we are minority, I don't really expect all chess players to like it. Not everyone needs to climb the top of Mount Everest, not everyone needs to fully understand quantum mechanics in order to live properly. Same logic goes for us engine room players, we're just a minority of chess players that can't stand blunders and seeks for chess perfection. Somebody just have to do it.
When I look for lines against e.g. the kings gambit, I simply looked what is in his book. If you want to learn new openings and search for good lines, Jeroen's book saves you a lot of time.
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3
O-O 9. h3 Bb7 10. d4 Re8 11. Nbd2 Bf8 12. a4 h6 13. Bc2 exd4 14. cxd4 Nb4 15.
Bb1 c5 16. d5 Nd7 17. Ra3 c4 18. Ree3 Qc7 19. Nd4 Ne5 20. N2f3 Nbd3 21. axb5
axb5 22. Nxb5 Qb6 23. Bxd3 Nxd3 24. Rxa8 Rxa8 25. Na3 Qc5 26. Ne1 Nxc1 27. Qxc1
f5 28. exf5 Bxd5 29. Rc3 Bf7 30. Nxc4 Qxf5 31. Nf3 *
Plus after 31.Nf3 all black response are red, why is that? What do I do if I see a deadend line like this? And where do Jeroen or Rybka 3 book makers find the games to import into book? There are games imported that have 2900 elo and most of them I can't find in my megabase 2009.
Thanks in advance.
About the "dead ends": those are usually lines where Jeroen couldn't decide between moves and wants the player or engine to make a choice. It's where you can analyse those lines further (with or without Rybka :) ).
Re 2900 Elo games: there are some computer games in the tree, it's a mixture of human and computer games.
(Of course, chess Grandmasters and Playchess machine room enthusiasts urgently need everything up to today, nothing less... )
I think any book which is based on a good quality, comprehensive games database can serve as a (fairly) good opening reference. But a good commercial book will usually also include "unplayed" theory, like variations from magazines, from master commentary or from own analyses, etc.
As for how to use a computer opening book for training, that will not be difficult to figure it out if you take a look at the book and opening related functions of your chess program(s).
It's a novelty that such an opening book is a separate product, like the R3 books. But basically you are expecting a new service if it is about computer chess opening books. I am of course aware that such updates may be entirely normal with other comparable types of data. But in computer chess, updates for engines and interfaces are common but definately not for the opening books.
I don't think this is due to a lack of dedication (?!), but after e.g. a book for engine version 17 is finished, I am almost sure that from that moment on, the dedication is directed at a book for engine version 18.
(An execption may be if severe book blunders would be found after release; I think that was the case with one of the Hiarcs books but I forgot if there was an update even in that case. At least I don't recall that there was a CTG book update.)
> some public book authors update more frequently and puts more quality in making it and are more dedicated in book making.
If quality and dedication means constantly playing games against rival books in order to stay 1/2 ply ahead of the competition in the incestuous Najdorf arms race and releasing thrice weekly versions that would be indistinguishable from one another were it not for the addition of a slightly above average move 33 in the Poisoned Pawn and a couple of stunningly esoteric novelties in lines that have never been played outside of the Playchess engine room then yes, there are some public book authors who are dedicated to making quality books.
If I remember correct it once ranked number 3 on pioneer chess book tourney against other public books and only few elos from the top. It will still probably ranked the same if other book makers did not tune on these lines. So I think it is an achievement :-)
>If quality and dedication means constantly playing games against rival books in order to stay 1/2 ply ahead of the competition in the incestuous Najdorf arms race and releasing thrice weekly versions that would be indistinguishable from one another were it not for the addition of a slightly above average move 33 in the Poisoned Pawn and a couple of stunningly esoteric novelties in lines that have never been played outside of the Playchess engine room then yes, there are some public book authors who are dedicated to making quality books.
Not all the times, you still should be ready at anything the unknown throws at you. There are still players that plays unorthodox and almost any line has once become popular in engine room, believe it or not even strange lines like 1.h3 once became popular and still some persist to play them once in a while up to now. And I think it is computer chess theory is even much more wider than humans or GMs.
> And I think it is computer chess theory is even much more wider than humans or GMs.
Surely you can't be serious?
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