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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-10-05 21:37
If you define "soon" as "when Rybka 4 comes out" then you should skip Rybka 3.
Parent - By staylor (***) Date 2009-10-06 07:04 Edited 2009-10-06 07:08
Thanks! I now see I could have understood all this from your first answer to me.
Uri only said  what he said, then, because he would prefer to have a bigger jump than merely from Rybka 3 to Rybka 4. But if he had only R2, in that case he would indded be much more interested in R4 than in R3.

[However, vas, and the producers of Rybka, should actually take it as a challenge, even now, to make Uri want to get Rybka 4, when it comes out].
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2009-10-06 22:15
hopefully before 2010, but now I'm not so sure...
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-10-06 23:09
Well, Felix said it'd be released in about 2 months, that gives me hopes.
Parent - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2009-10-06 23:54
Finally Ill be able to lose some games in under 12 moves I was getting bored of losing in just 15 :)
Parent - - By Maitra (**) Date 2009-10-07 15:52

>Well, Felix said it'd be released in about 2 months, that gives me hopes.


in about 2 months from when?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-10-07 19:26
That he didn't clarify :)
Parent - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2009-10-07 20:37
He will clarify that part soooooon  ;-)
Parent - - By Maitra (**) Date 2009-10-11 12:13
well now that both F12 and Shredder 12 have been released I wonder what is Vas waiting for. DSH12 is quite strong but also some elo behind R3. Its time he announces results of his R4 testing against other new engines just as Larry had done with R3. btw is Larry working on R4 or its just Vas this time?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-10-12 08:32

> well now that both F12 and Shredder 12 have been released I wonder what is Vas waiting for.


Vas has never waited for the releases of the competition, the delay is for a different reason.
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2009-10-12 19:03
Yep, the most obvious being he has not finished coding / debugging R4/R4-/R3+ yet ;-)
Parent - - By Maitra (**) Date 2009-10-13 15:21
Well- I just hope thats not true. If it is then what was Vas doing all this time? btw is Larry working on R4 too?
Parent - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2009-10-13 16:48

> Well- I just hope thats not true. If it is then what was Vas doing all this time?


Like I said : coding and debugging

>  btw is Larry working on R4 too?


No.
Parent - - By Maitra (**) Date 2009-10-13 15:24
and what might be that reason? The most logical one that comes to my mind is to wait till CB has got all profits out of F12 then release R4. But that too will be over in a month.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-10-14 02:41
The reason is that it's not ready, you're implying that Vas has finished Rybka several months ago and it's just waiting for the release date accorded with Chessbase, in reality improvements to Rybka are being made every day.
Parent - - By Maitra (**) Date 2009-10-14 15:35

>The reason is that it's not ready


more than a year and its not ready yet. The truth is that Vas knows that R3 is still #1 even after F12 and S12 have released so he can delay R4 as much as he wants.

>in reality improvements to Rybka are being made every day


really? and just how do you know this?
Parent - By Trahald (**) Date 2009-10-15 00:58 Edited 2009-10-15 01:04

>more than a year and its not ready yet. The truth is that Vas knows that R3 is still #1 even after F12 and S12 have released so he can delay R4 as much as he wants.


Vas is a professional and I'm sure his need for money is no less than most of us. Therefore I can't see why he would delay the release of Rybka 4 any longer than necessary. If it's not released yet, it is only because Vas doesn't consider it ready.

Only last month did Vempele and I discover a new bug with Rybka 3, I would like to see Vas take his time to ensure that the next version is as bug free as is reasonable. If it were easy to write a program such as Rybka, then many of us would be doing it.

Also I suspect he is probably not content with a 10-20 point elo increase, and calling it a new version, as has happened too often in the past with other programs. I think he values his customer's and his programming ability higher than that. I'm predicting a 70-80 point increase.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-10-15 03:31

> really? and just how do you know this?


Kullberg keeps getting new versions continuously, I assume that they're not just a change in version number but actual improvements, just like with Rybka 2 and 3 Beta.
Parent - By Quapsel (****) Date 2009-10-05 05:19

> I'm sure the difference between Rybka 3 and Rybka 4 is gonna be so small


Wow, do you really have secret wisdom?
Where did it come from?
I assume, R4 will have become better, stronger, nicer as we are used to realize it in comuterchess scene since many years.
If this is not enough for you perhaps you should consider, whether a freeware engine could be enough, 'cause the progress in the last years has to be seen then as 'peanuts'!

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Parent - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2009-10-06 22:14
"No offense but I'm not going to buy Rybka 4. It's useless."

and where do you get this info from?

"I'm sure the difference between Rybka 3 and Rybka 4 is gonna be so small that it's not worth the buy"

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- - By Thin Ice (**) Date 2009-10-03 17:55 Edited 2009-10-03 18:18
Never play with less than a quadcore and a 3+Ghz processor like me.(or atleast a 2.40 GHz and a quad).Anything less is like putting a supercharged engine(Ryb3 or 4) in a rusty old 63 Pontiac Catalina that has bald tires or eating lobster on a cardboard box with a plastic fork that has 3 out of the 5 prongs broke off!Ryb4....I can't wait to load it into my  system...should do well!You can't afford a quad?Nonsense!I bought mine in the USA from one of the many Best Buy Stores.18 months with zero interest!I can pay 15 dollars a month or the 60 dollars a month i'm paying and will pay it off with no interest charges when it is paid off next March.Laptops?Junk!
Parent - By Quapsel (****) Date 2009-10-05 05:31

> Never play with less than a quadcore and a 3+Ghz processor like me...


:-D
I tried:
W98/R3/Arena is runnable on a machine with 135MB, perhaps 128MB.
Which CPU could be fittingg then? Pentium3? Did good Pentium2-Machines have 128MB?
Which RAM was built in very good Pentium1-Machines?
These are the real interesting plattforms!
Try to have success then!
(And try to beat R3 under fair conditions then!)
What ELO could be reachable then on the servers?

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- By Kkuo (**) Date 2009-10-05 05:55
Hmm...I got my laptop in 2004.  Probably means it's a single-core.
- - By TRACEY234 (*) Date 2009-10-12 15:32
with this statement im not so sure  :  Programmers are poor businessmen  :  now we all know rybka 3 is the best , so maybe a gamble and let rybka go for another year , the others havent caught up yet , so why release rybka 4 = good buisness sence . now what do you think ?
Parent - - By Quapsel (****) Date 2009-10-13 06:55 Edited 2009-10-13 06:57

> let rybka go for another year , the others havent caught up yet , so why release rybka 4


Vas wants to earn money now.
And I, owning R3, will not buy another Rybka until it has number 4.
And those, who do not own R3 perhaps will buy no R3 now, 'cause the 'whole world' speaks about R4.
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Parent - - By TRACEY234 (*) Date 2009-10-15 10:56
this is also true im holding out for rybka 4
Parent - - By Quapsel (****) Date 2009-10-15 17:36
?
If there is a R4-offer now, Vas will get the money now.
If it comes in 6 months, the money will come then.
And the point of time when to offer R5 will be aproximately 6 months later.

Offering several months later will mean, owning less money during the netxt months and years.

Vas could wait until an opponent reaches R3-strength.
(Vas would remain the strongest-engine-developer for many months, perhaps more than a year. More?)
But he would earn not so very much money during this period.
But he will have his own thoughts.

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Parent - - By Kkuo (**) Date 2009-10-16 19:23
"And the point of time when to offer R5 will be aproximately 6 months later."

There's no way Rybka 5 will come out that soon after 4...
Parent - - By Quapsel (****) Date 2009-10-16 22:44
:-D
I meant:
R5 will come x monhs after R4.
And if R4 comes out in 6 months, then R5 will be there in x+6 months.
Each R4-delay will cause a similar R5-delay...
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Parent - By Nimzovik (***) Date 2009-10-18 05:00
True enuff perhaps.....   I guess the real question here is ...  Can Vas continue to make the quantum leaps he has made in the past??  Will Rybka 4 be that much stronger as Rybka 3 was to 2?
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