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Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) Date 2009-09-04 13:55
But "Rybkaforum. net" translates to "Rybkaforum. net".
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-09-04 14:48
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2009-08-26 03:37
I'd hate to be going up against Lukas' R4- cluster while running Hiarcs on my PDA...
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2009-08-26 12:31
The prize fund is so generous the most important thing is not where you place but merely showing up.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2009-08-26 19:18 Edited 2009-08-26 19:55
The real question is whether the organizers:

A) Have sponsors willing to put up well over 100K euros,
B) Expect to receive enough 36-40 Euro entry fees to cover their costs, or
C) Are willing to absorb the costs themselves.

I'm guessing that we are talking about option B here and when you roll in the cost of the venue and personnel costs, you probably end up needing 10K plus entries to make it all work out. At that point, if they are successful (and I assume the tournament would be canceled with a significant miss), I'm not sure that just showing up will suffice!
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2009-08-27 14:08
You forgot:

D) Collect entry fees and do nothing else but quietly disappear  ;)
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2009-08-27 19:57
Good catch! This might be the most likely outcome!
Parent - - By Ciron (**) Date 2009-08-26 13:52
Another official statement:
the online tour is scheduled from 5th October to 10th November.
(If you start on Oct. 5th and play every 48 hrs, you end up on Nov. 10th; so it looks correct to me.)

The 'VIII International Chess Festival of Benidorm - Gran Hotel Bali', which is connected with the online tour (The 3 winners will play a
MATCH LIVE against  VESELIN TOPALOV) is scheduled from 27th Nov. until 8th December.

Also, there is a discount of 10% for subscriptions recived before September the 1st.
Normally 1 Tournament = 40€.
Before September the 1st = 36€
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2009-08-26 22:57
This sounds quite strange.  Participants are expected to be "on call" away from work, etc.?
Parent - By Ciron (**) Date 2009-08-27 10:39
You are right, scheduling all rounds at 20:00 server time (Spain) looks a bit euro-'centristic', esp. as the qualification phase is covering 5 weeks.
Parent - By Dennis Breder (***) Date 2009-08-28 23:32
Is the prize fond actually guaranteed ? If not, they do not have to pay at all ...
- - By Ciron (**) Date 2009-09-01 20:18
Hello,
I continue informing you about this tour and about freestyle matters.
Today's news is that the French No 1 GM Etienne Bacrot (Elo 2709) and Natalia Pogonina (Elo 2501), one of the best female players, are now part of the team of Mundialchess.
This means Mundialchess is significantly intensifying its campaign. The same they try with a "membership scheme", awarding players for inviting others players to join the tour.
I entered the registration and finally succeeded after solving some minor formal problems with the registration form and the bank transfer.
All pending lack of clarity regarding the rules and the schedule is continuing. I would be glad to report different news, but that's how it is on Sept. 1st.
The question, whether the big prizes (a total of 130,000 EUR) are guaranteed is not raised on the website, yet they are promised, as if they were guaranteed, and they are part of the registration, so that these can be considered as promised benefits.
However, I am not quite sure how to read this paragraph:
"MundialChess.com reserves the right to make unannounced changes it deems appropriate on the site, to change, delete or add the contents and services in the way which they are presented or located. Any changes will be notified to the user when he/she enters their account." (in: PART - 7 SERVER, SERVICE AND CONFLICT; ad: NOTIFICATIONS AND RELEASES)

The responsible organizer is: Social Aplication Network S.L. 2009 - Alicante - Spain.

By the way, I just started together with other freestylers to rework the PAL/CSS Freestyle Rules in the light of the 8th tour in 2008 and the discussions which followed. 
We are planning to present a draft here for open discussion within the next weeks. You are warmly invited to send me any proposals by email. Please try to formulate your proposals in a way you like to see them published, and also please consider what they would mean practice (are they enforcable, are the clear, are they practible etc.).

One of our goals is to create a final document, which has to be signed at the registration, so that everyone knows more exactly about the rules, their spirit (aiming for a broad consensus) same as his/her duties and rights.

Arno
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2009-09-01 21:02
I'm not sure why, but for some reason this reminds me of the Chessfriends debacle, where the tournament director ran off with everyone's money. I seem to recall you wrote an open letter titled "Waiting for Godot". I hope history will not repeat itself here! :-)

OK, I know that 36 Euro is not very much, but still...
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2009-09-02 03:48
I just recently read an article about the imminent collapse of the Spanish economy (their real estate bubble makes Nevada's look like a minor infatuation--more unsold new homes there than in the entire US, quite an achievement for an economy one-sixth the size).  I wonder how they can possibly afford to be flinging around such prize funds.  I wish the whole enterprise well but it is hard not to have some doubts.

As for the rules draft Arno is proposing...I would be very interested indeed to see what he is drafting and the background/rationale behind every rule proposed.  Undoubtedly anything he puts in writing will ignite a firestorm of protest, but he is clad in asbestos-coated kevlar body armor.  I think I have already written quite enough on this topic and at this stage can only hope he incorporates what he thinks will work, rejects what doesn't and lays out a draft for us to think about and argue about constructively.

Arno, if you read this I can only suggest that the language be made extremely tight and legalistic.  No two interpretations possible.  No loopholes.  It will take serious craftsmanship to get it right.
Parent - By Ciron (**) Date 2009-09-02 10:33
Okay, let's wait for the draft. I think, we all learned from the past, and the final version will for sure be set up by a native speaker.
I forgot to add for everybody, my email address is shown in my profile.
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2009-09-02 09:37 Edited 2009-09-02 09:45

> OK, I know that 36 Euro is not very much, but still...


The loss of money is not the problem, but I do worry about all personal information and passport ID have to fill in in order to register!!. If someone fraudulent has your complete name, address, birth date, passport number, bankaccount,  I guess they could make some use of it...  I really would like to enter the tournament, but at the moment I don't have enough confidence in the organization to put all my personal details online to register.
Parent - By Ciron (**) Date 2009-09-02 10:23
I hope, the organizers will do their best within the next few weeks (registration until Spet. 30) to justify the confidence they do expect from the players.

I have bo doubt, that they are honorable people, well-known in Spain and especially in Benidorm, where they perform their 8th Chess Festival with hundreds of players. Also you would not get players like Barcrot and Tiviakov in the team, if their would be any doubts about your reliability.

I am not sure about modern standards for registration in online chess tournaments, but I think almost every organizer today is asking for a lot of such details and can get them easily except may be from your passport ID. I agree, that is overkill, and I will not hesitate to forward our concerns.
Parent - - By Ciron (**) Date 2009-09-22 12:26
Preparations are still going on, as I was informed in a private email of Sept 21st:

"...Play zone..it’s almost finished...just a few security test, in this week, we’ll launch first version. (...) We’ll send newsletter this week to inform about play zone, and probably we  need to change starting date for tournament, cause most of subcribed players asked for, to probe play zone longer. We’ll studying about it. We’ll keep informated all players."
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2009-09-22 17:00

> ... and probably we  need to change starting date for tournament, cause most of subcribed players asked for, to probe play zone longer


I'm lost here. What do they mean?
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2009-09-22 21:38
Sounds like they are saying that "most" players want more time to familiarize themselves with the server before the tournament starts.
Parent - - By rigao (*) Date 2009-09-23 07:34
In spanish, probar means to prove, to test, to try.... I guess they want to test the playing zone thoroughly
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-09-23 08:13
And to taste :)
Parent - - By Ciron (**) Date 2009-10-02 10:14
Without comment:

"MODIFICATION OF THE TOURNAMENT DATE

Paying attention to the numerous petitions and requests from new users, which mostly insist in trying our game zone, and due to the delay of its publication (for safety reasons), the Organization of mundialchess.com, in compliance with article 1.1 of the Rules for participation regarding our Online Tournaments, http://www.mundialchess.com/seccion/es/reglas/reglas-fundamentales-para-participar-en-el-1er-torneo-internacional-de-ajedrez-avanzado-online, sets the START DATE of the INTERNATIONAL ONLINE ADVANCED CHESS TOURNAMENT MUNDIALCHESS on the 1st of OCTOBER 25, 2009. Likewise, it confirms that the official registration period will close on the 20th of OCTOBER 2009 (24:00 h).

(here follows methods of payment)

(...)In addition, while visiting our web you'll be able to see the https security protocol on the navigation bar of your browser, which is visible to all users since the last programming adjustments.
Therefore, you can browse and supply your details with all the safety our security certificate provides, and which is verified by THE USERTRUST NETWORK.

NEW INSCRIPTION FESS. "JUST FOR PLAY" PROMOTION
If you only wish to participate in our 1st Edition of the Online Tournament, you can REGISTER and participate by paying *20 € per tournament subscription.

*If you make use of this promotion, the opening promotion becomes INVALIDATED, therefore, your access time to our game zone shall conclude when the tournament ends.
You will neither be able to benefit from the 20% discount for participating in the following mundialchess.com tournaments taking place in the coming year; the organization estimates between 2 and 4 different modality tournaments.
Once the tournament has ended, the register fee shall be set at 50 €, which will give you the right to enjoy our game zone for 1 year and obtain a 20% discount in tournaments taking place during the year.

administration mundialchess.com"

(Has any other registered player apart from me got this email? - I looked up the website and found another important detail: end of the tournament is now scheduled to November 20th)
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2009-10-02 11:48 Edited 2009-10-02 11:53

> (Has any other registered player apart from me got this email? - I looked up the website and found another important detail: end of the tournament is now scheduled to November 20th)


Yes, I did
The subscription fee for the tournament now seems to be 20 EUR instead of the 40 EUR I paid :-(
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2009-10-02 19:42
What is your current understanding of the prize fund for this tournament?
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2009-10-02 20:21
Prizes will be awarded in the form announced in the call issued before the tournament. If the invitation is published in a different site from that set out in the hall of the tournament, the latter shall prevail.

One might interpret this to mean that the prizes will be in the amounts set out in the tournament hall...
Parent - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2009-10-02 22:40
Yeah, again fuzzy at best...
Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) Date 2009-10-17 18:06
"Paying attention to the numerous petitions and requests from new users, which mostly insist in trying our game zone [...]"
Has anyone been able to try it?
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2009-10-17 18:10
Yes, it was alive for a day of 3. I played some games (so did Arno), but it was still far from finshed. No option to offer draw, resign etc.
Parent - By Ozymandias (****) Date 2009-10-17 19:04
Good to hear it was actually up. They told me it worked for 4 or 5 days, but I was on a trip and couldn't access. As soon as I got back it had been taken out already.
- - By NH (*) Date 2009-09-03 16:17
Its still unclear to me, where the actual tournament will take place (ie: on the chessbase server)?
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) Date 2009-09-03 17:05
What part of This tournament will be exclusively on-line in this website, neither download nor install of additional software or application required on the front page is so hard to understand?
Parent - By Permanent Brain (*****) Date 2009-09-04 03:14
I think it will be flash based because the flash player in mentioned as a technical requirement.

It's only one month to go until tournament start, but I don't see that they have a test version or demo version of that software up. They expect from the participants to register without having seen the software environment...?
Parent - By NH (*) Date 2009-09-06 15:27
The statement is not hard to understand, I just dont believe it because they dont provide any supporting details.
Parent - By Ciron (**) Date 2009-10-21 13:43
PRESS RELEASE Oct 21, 2009

The organizers of mundialchess.com wish to address a statement to all its users and participants regarding two major changes to the 1st International Online Advanced Chess Tournament.

1 - The final modification of the tournament's start date, which is now scheduled for January 8, 2010. Whereupon the official registration period will remain open until January 3, 2010.

2 - An important change in the site for the final awards and special prizes for those classified in the top eight positions from each tournament. The organizers of mundialchess.com are committed to the philosophy and main idea of this tournament, which is to take any player in the world (regardless of their level) closer to the best tournaments in the chess arena and to feel at 100% the play of those with the greatest strength and international prestige. A change of venue for said event has been inevitable.

For its 1st edition it was decided that the place and festival elected would be the VIII International Chess Festival in Benidorm (Gran Hotel Bali) which now and for reasons beyond our control, will not provide that environment, thus the festival or tournament in which that event will take place is currently being studied by the organizers of mundialchess.com.

All this will be announced and published in the coming days on our website, as well as in other media. Also, all registered users and players will receive the newsletter according to each news item.

Similarly, we confirm that the player who will face the lucky winners is the current number one on the FIDE ranking, Veselin Topalov.

Fees and promotions for all registered users remain intact. The full year access to the playing zone, as well as additional promotions (which are included with your registration), will be enacted after the tournament has ended. At the same time, users who want to try our play zone will have FREE access until the tournament's start date.

For more information or any enquiry you may have, please use our support ticket system

https://www.mundialchess.com/support

Sincerely
mundialchess.com
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