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- - By Hurnavich (Bronze) Date 2009-02-24 18:58 Edited 2009-02-24 19:03
Hi,to all good book makers.I'm just starting out in book making,the book i'm working on is Hurnavich Book 1a,at the moment it is just on 1GB.I have started to hand tune i use rybka 3 mp and naum 4 mp to check lines also in some lines Hiarcs 12.I use the Fritz/hiarcs gui.My question to all is i know how to make the main moves red or green but i notice on some books blue moves,forgive my lack of knowledge with this but would you kind people explain the blue moves please and how i can create them.I have an over the board chess elo of 2149 and have become fasanated in book making.Perticuarly the hand tuning and manual move adding.

P.s this book is made from scratch no other books used or merged i want to keep this book to my own way of thinking.

Hurnavich.
Parent - - By Mark Mason (***) [gb] Date 2009-02-24 19:44
Hi,

If you right click on a book move the top 2 entries you see allow you to mark the move with a punctuation.  The top set are to mark a move and the second set down are to mark a position.  A Blue move is a move that someone has marked as ?! which means "Dubious Move".  The other ways you can mark a move and a position are are:

For Moves:

??: Blunder
  ?: Mistake
?!: Dubious move
!?: Interesting move
!: Good move
‼: Brilliant move

For Positions:

∞: Unclear
=/∞: With compensation
=: Even position
+/= (=/+): Slight advantage
+/− (−/+): Advantage
+− (−+): Decisive advantage

Hope this helps you,

Mark
Parent - - By Hurnavich (Bronze) Date 2009-02-24 19:52
Thanks Mark, this will help me on my way you are a gentalman.

Hurnavich
Parent - - By ccarica (*) [it] Date 2009-02-25 17:44
hi all,well i wanted to ask that how can we now that wich its the best move when we are hand tunning the ctg books?,how can we now that which move had to be marked green or red?,please reply.
Parent - - By Hurnavich (Bronze) Date 2009-02-25 18:05
1.Open the book you want to tune'
2.Select the openings book tab
3.you should have list of moves now displayed.
4.Right click on move you want to make green,and select Main book move.
5.If you want to turn a move red then right click on move and select no tounament move.

Hope this helps.

Hurnavich
Parent - - By ccarica (*) [it] Date 2009-02-25 18:19

> 1.Open the book you want to tune'
> 2.Select the openings book tab
> 3.you should have list of moves now displayed.
> 4.Right click on move you want to make green,and select Main book move.
> 5.If you want to turn a move red then right click on move and select no tounament move.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Hurnavich


yes i now to do al these things but how can i now which its the best move to be marked green?
Parent - - By Italian81 (****) [us] Date 2009-02-25 18:36
Find out which lines are statistically the best after playing many games against other books or doing an engine analysis.  Then marking these moves/lines/ green

Be careful in marking lines red as I believe they will never be played.

Hope I was helpful...
Parent - - By Mark Mason (***) [gb] Date 2009-02-25 19:25
ccarica,

One simple way to establish which moves are best to tune your book is to open Fritz and play back over your drawn or lost games. Open a game and make sure the relevant opening book (that you are trying to tune) is also loaded. Now play through the game, looking at the book tab at the same time,  to the point at which you leave the book phase (ie. no more book moves). If the evaluation was equal or negative for you at that point, then run Rybka in infinite analysis in that position (say to depth 17 or 18) and whatever it suggests as the strongest move you put this move into your book so that next time you play that line, the engine will choose the stronger move. This is time consuming but it is the way to make your book play stronger moves than other people's books.

In terms of how to manually edit the book:

Go into Fritz and do File/Open/Openings Book and select the book you want to edit. Then select the Openings Book tab on right hand side of screen. Basically you can either

a) add a new move to the book, To do this right click somewhere in that book area (not on a move just in empty space) and tick Allow Move Adding. then when you play back through a game and want to add the new line you have just analysed, just make the move on the actual board and then select new main line from the options. This will then have added the move to the book permanently.

b) change the 'weighting' of an existing move making it more/less likely to be chosen. This is shown in the Prob / % column. To change it right click on the actual move itself and do change weight. The value is from -125 (very unlikely to be picked) to +125 (very likely to be picked). You can change these manually to any value. Actually this is what the automatic book learning does based on whether games are won or lost - but this is how you do it manually.

c) or mark moves either red (means they won't be played ever) or green (mean they will be picked, with a probablility given by the % column). To make a move red right click on it and select Don't play in tournament
To make a move green right click on it and select Main Move. You might want to make a move red if you find that at some point in the book line you had a negative evaluation and therefore you can mark that move red so it won't be played again.

There is more to it than this but this should give you enough to start editing your book which is a great start and you should see an improvement in results once you've started to tune the book like this.  If you do this after every few games it doesn't take too long but will greatly improve the book.

Mark
Parent - By ccarica (*) [it] Date 2009-02-25 20:28

> One simple way to establish which moves are best to tune your book is to open Fritz and play back over your drawn or lost games. Open a game and make sure the relevant opening book (that you are trying to tune) is also loaded. Now play through the game, looking at the book tab at the same time,  to the point at which you leave the book phase (ie. no more book moves). If the evaluation was equal or negative for you at that point, then run Rybka in infinite analysis in that position (say to depth 17 or 18) and whatever it suggests as the strongest move you put this move into your book so that next time you play that line, the engine will choose the stronger move. This is time consuming but it is the way to make your book play stronger moves than other people's books.


thank a lot  MARK,yes this is what i was searching to understand,thanks a lot,

best regards.
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