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- - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2008-11-17 18:48
[Event "28th Dutch CC"]
[Site "Leiden NED"]
[Date "2008.11.14"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Rybka"]
[Black "The Baron"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C42"]
[PlyCount "75"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nc4 Nxe4 5. Nc3 Nxc3 6. bxc3 g6 7. d4 Bg7 8. Bd3 O-O 9. O-O Nd7 10. Qf3 Nb6 11. Re1 c5 12. Bf4 d5 13. Nd6 cxd4 14. cxd4 Bxd4 15. Rab1 Qh4 16. Nb5 Bg4 17. Bg3 Qh5 18. Qf4 Bg7 19. Qc7 Nc4 20. h3 Bf5 21. Qxb7 Nd2 22. Rbd1 Ne4 23. Bxe4 Bxe4 24. Nd6 Rab8 25. Qc6 Rb6 26. Qc5 g5 27. f3 Bg6 28. Nc8 Ra6 29. Ne7+ Kh8 30. Rxd5 f6 31. Qc7 Bf7 32. Rd8 Bxa2 33. Nf5 Qg6 34. Qc8 Bg8 35. Ne7 Qf7 36. Rxf8 Bxf8 37. Nxg8 Kxg8 38. Qxa6 1-0

[Event "28th Dutch CC"]
[Site "Leiden NED"]
[Date "2008.11.14"]
[Round "2"]
[White "The King"]
[Black "Rybka"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D91"]
[PlyCount "104"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Bg5 Ne4 6. cxd5 Nxg5 7. Nxg5 e6 8.
Nf3 exd5 9. e3 a5 10. Bd3 O-O 11. O-O c6 12. Rc1 Bg4 13. h3 Bxf3 14. Qxf3 Nd7 15. Rfd1 Re8 16. Qg3 Nf8 17. Na4 Qe7 18. Nc5 a4 19. Rc2 Rec8 20. Be2 Ne6 21. Nxe6 Qxe6 22. Rdc1 Bf8 23. Qf3 a3 24. Rb1 axb2 25. Rcxb2 b5 26. Rc2 Ra6 27. Bf1 Rca8 28. Qe2 Ra4 29. Qd2 R8a6 30. Rbb2 Ba3 31. Rb3 Bd6 32. Rbb2 Qe7 33. Rb3 h5 34. Qc1 Rxa2 35. Rxc6 Rxc6 36. Qxc6 Qh4 37. Qxd6 Qxf2+ 38. Kh2 Qxf1 39. Qd8+ Kh7 40. Qxd5 Ra1 41. Kg3 h4+ 42. Kxh4 Qf2+ 43. g3 Rf1 44. Qe5 Qe2 45. Qxb5 Qg2 46. Qe5 Rf5 47. Qxf5 gxf5 48. Kg5 Qxg3+ 49. Kxf5 Qg6+ 50. Kf4 Qd6+ 51. Ke4 Qe6+ 52. Kf4 Qxb3 0-1

[Event "28th Dutch CC"]
[Site "Leiden NED"]
[Date "2008.11.14"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Rybka"]
[Black "Pandix"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C84"]
[PlyCount "76"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. d3 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. a4 b4 9. Nbd2 Na5 10. Ba2 c5 11. Nc4 Nc6 12. Re1 h6 13. a5 Bg4 14. h3 Bh5 15. c3 Rb8 16. Qa4 Qc7 17. Nh4 bxc3 18. bxc3 Rb5 19. g4 g5 20. Nf5 Bg6 21. Nce3 Rxa5 22. Qd1 Kd8 23. Qf3 Nd7 24. Nd5 Qb8 25. Be3 Bf8 26. Bc4 Qc8 27. Kg2 Rh7 28. h4 gxh4 29. Nxh4 Rxa1 30. Rxa1 Ncb8 31. Nxg6 fxg6 32. Rh1 Ke8 33. Bg5 Nc6 34. Bxa6 Qb8 35. Rb1 hxg5 36. Rxb8+ Ncxb8 37. Bb5 Rf7 38. Qd1 Bh6 1-0

[Event "28th Dutch CC"]
[Site "Leiden NED"]
[Date "2008.11.15"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Hiarcs"]
[Black "Rybka"]
[Result "0-1"]
[PlyCount "98"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. c4 Bg7 4. Nc3 d5 5. cxd5 Nxd5 6. e4 Nxc3 7. bxc3 c5 8.
Bb5+ Nc6 9. O-O cxd4 10. cxd4 O-O 11. Be3 Bg4 12. Bxc6 bxc6 13. Rc1 Qa5 14. Qe2 Rfd8 15. Rc5 Qa3 16. e5 Be6 17. Rxc6 Qxa2 18. Rc2 Qa4 19. Bg5 Bf8 20. Re1 a5 21. Be3 Bd5 22. Rec1 Qe8 23. Nd2 a4 24. f3 a3 25. Ne4 Rdc8 26. Nc5 a2 27. Qe1 Rxc5 28. Rxc5 e6 29. Ra5 Ba3 30. Rxa3 Rxa3 31. Bd2 Rb3 32. Bh6 Qa8 33. Kf2 Qb8 34. Qa5 Rb1 35. Qc7 Qxc7 36. Rxc7 Rb8 37. Rc1 g5 38. h3 Bc4 39. Kg3 f6 40. exf6 Kf7 41. Bxg5 Kg6 42. Bh4 Rb1 43. Rxc4 a1=Q 44. Rc7 Qxd4 45. Rg7+ Kh6 46. f4 Qe4 47. Bg5+ Kh5 48. Kh2 Rb2 49. Bh4 Kxh4 0-1

[Event "28th Dutch CC"]
[Site "Leiden NED"]
[Date "2008.11.15"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Rybka"]
[Black "Ktulu"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B81"]
[PlyCount "107"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 d6 3. Nge2 Nf6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 a6 6. h3 e6 7. g4 b5 8. Bg2
Bb7 9. O-O b4 10. Nd5 exd5 11. exd5 Be7 12. g5 Nfd7 13. Nf5 O-O 14. Qd4 f6 15. Qxb4 Bc8 16. Re1 Ne5 17. Nxe7+ Qxe7 18. f4 Nbd7 19. fxe5 Nxe5 20. Bf4 Bf5 21. gxf6 Qxf6 22. Bxe5 dxe5 23. Rac1 Rab8 24. Qc3 Qg5 25. Qe3 Qg6 26. b3 Bxc2 27. Kh2 Rbe8 28. d6 Bf5 29. Rc6 e4 30. Rxa6 Ra8 31. Rxa8 Qxd6+ 32. Qg3 Qxg3+ 33. Kxg3 Rxa8 34. a4 Rb8 35. Rb1 e3 36. Re1 Be6 37. Rxe3 Bxb3 38. a5 Bc4 39. Rc3 Ba6 40. Rc6 Ra8 41. Rf6 gxf6 42. Bd5+ Kf8 43. Bxa8 Ke7 44. Be4 h6 45. Kg4 Kd6 46. Kh5 Ke5 47. Bc6 Kd6 48. Ba8 Kc5 49. Bf3 Kb4 50. Kxh6 Kxa5 51. Kg7 Bb5 52. Kf7 Bd3 53. Kxf6 Bb5 54. h4 1-0

[Event "28th Dutch CC"]
[Site "Leiden NED"]
[Date "2008.11.15"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Rybka"]
[Black "Hermann"]
[Result "1-0"]
[PlyCount "117"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. d3 d6 7. c3 Bg4 8. h3
Bd7 9. Be3 O-O 10. Re1 Na5 11. Bxd7 Qxd7 12. Nbd2 c5 13. d4 Qc7 14. Rc1 b5 15. b4 cxb4 16. cxb4 Nc4 17. Qe2 Rfc8 18. Bg5 h6 19. Bh4 exd4 20. Nxd4 Qa7 21. Nf5 Ne5 22. Nf1 Rxc1 23. Rxc1 g6 24. Nxe7+ Qxe7 25. Ne3 Qe6 26. Bxf6 Qxf6 27. Rc7 Qd8 28. Nd5 g5 29. Qd2 Kh8 30. Qc3 Kh7 31. Ne7 Qh8 32. Nf5 Rd8 33. Qd4 Rd7 34. Rxd7 Nxd7 35. Qxh8+ Kxh8 36. Nxh6 Ne5 37. Nf5 Nc4 38. Kh2 Kh7 39. Kg3 Kg6 40. f4 Na3 41. fxg5 Kxg5 42. Ne3 Nb1 43. h4+ Kg6 44. Kf4 Nc3 45. a3 Nb1 46. g4 Nxa3 47. h5+ Kh7 48. g5 Kg8 49. Nd5 Nc4 50. Kf5 Ne5 51. Ne7+ Kf8 52. Nc8 Nc4 53. Kf6 Ne5 54. Nxd6 Ng4+ 55. Kf5 Ne3+ 56. Ke5 Kg8 57. h6 Kf8 58. Nf5 Nc4+ 59. Kf6 1-0

[Event "28th Dutch CC"]
[Site "Leiden NED"]
[Date "2008.11.16"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Deep Sjeng"]
[Black "Rybka"]
[Result "0-1"]
[PlyCount "125"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 a6 3. c3 e6 4. d4 d5 5. e5 Bd7 6. Bd3 cxd4 7. cxd4 Bb5 8. O-O
Bxd3 9. Qxd3 Ne7 10. Bg5 h6 11. Bd2 Nec6 12. a3 Be7 13. Nc3 Nd7 14. Rfc1 O-O 15. Ne2 Qb6 16. Rc2 Qb5 17. Qe3 Rfc8 18. Rac1 Nb6 19. b3 Bxa3 20. Rc5 Bxc5 21. Rxc5 Nc4 22. bxc4 Qb1+ 23. Ne1 b6 24. Nc3 Qb3 25. Rxc6 Rxc6 26. Nxd5 Qxe3 27. Nxe3 b5 28. d5 Rcc8 29. d6 a5 30. cxb5 Rcb8 31. Nc4 Rxb5 32. Kf1 a4 33. Nc2 Kf8 34. N2a3 Rb3 35. Ke2 Ke8 36. Be3 Rab8 37. Bd4 R8b4 38. Ba1 Rb7 39. Nc2 Rb1 40. Bd4 Rb8 41. h3 Rc8 42. Kd3 Ra8 43. Bc3 Rbb8 44. Bb4 Rb5 45. Ba3 Rab8 46. Nd4 Rb1 47. h4 Rf1 48. f3 h5 49. Bc5 Rd1+ 50. Kc2 Rg1 51. Kd3 Rxg2 52. Nb6 Rxb6 53. Bxb6 a3 54. Nb3 Rb2 55. Kc3 Rb1 56. f4 a2 57. Bd4 a1=Q+ 58. Nxa1 Rxa1 59. Kd3 Rd1+ 60. Ke4 f5+ 61. exf6 Rxd4+ 62. Kxd4 gxf6 63. Kd3 0-1

[Event "28th Dutch CC"]
[Site "Leiden NED"]
[Date "2008.11.16"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Rybka"]
[Black "Tzunami"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C61"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nd4 5. Nxd4 exd4 6. e5 Nd5 7. Qg4 Nb4 8. a3 Nxc2 9. Ra2 Qe7 10. Qe4 c6 11. Ba4 Qe6 12. Qxc2 Qxa2 13. Bb3 Qa1 14. d3 a5 15. Qc4 d5 16. exd6 Be6 17. d7+ Kxd7 18. Qxd4+ Ke8 19. Bxe6 fxe6 20. Nc3 b5 21. Qg4 Kd7 22. Re1 Re8 23. Qd4+ Kc8 24. Qb6 Bd6 25. Qxc6+ Bc7 26. Nxb5 Re7 27. Nd6+ Kd8 28. Nb7+ Kc8 29. Nc5 a4 30. Qa6+ Kd8 31. Qa8+ Bb8 32. Qxb8# 1-0

[Event "28th Dutch CC"]
[Site "Leiden NED"]
[Date "2008.11.16"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Joker"]
[Black "Rybka"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B43"]
[PlyCount "158"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. Nc3 a6 4. Be2 Qc7 5. O-O b5 6. d4 cxd4 7. Nxd4 Bb7 8. Bf3 Nc6 9. Nxc6 dxc6 10. e5 Qxe5 11. Re1 Qc7 12. Ne4 Rd8 13. Qe2 Be7 14. Bh5 Bc8 15. Qf3 Nf6 16. Nxf6+ Bxf6 17. Bf4 Qb7 18. Qa3 b4 19. Qb3 O-O 20. Bf3 Qb5 21. Be2 Qc5 22. Be3 Bd4 23. Bd3 a5 24. a3 Bxe3 25. Rxe3 Rd4 26. axb4 axb4 27. Rh3 g6 28. Re3 Qd6 29. Re4 Bb7 30. Rxd4 Qxd4 31. Bf1 c5 32. c3 Qf4 33. Ra7 Bd5 34. Qa4 Qd2 35. c4 Be4 36. Qa1 b3 37. Qa3 Qc2 38. Rd7 Ra8 39. Qxc5 Qxb2 40. Qe7 Rf8 41. Qb4 Qa2 42. Rd2 Ra8 43. Qc3 Qa5 44. Qb2 Bc2 45. Rxc2 bxc2 46. Qxc2 Qe1 47. Qe2 Qxe2 48. Bxe2 Ra1+ 49. Bf1 Kf8 50. h4 e5 51. f3 f5 52. Kf2 Ke7 53. Bd3 Kd6 54. h5 Ra2+ 55. Kf1 Rd2 56. Be2 gxh5 57. f4 e4 58. Bxh5 Kc5 59. g3 e3 60. Be2 Kd4 61. g4 Rxe2 62. Kxe2 fxg4 63. c5 Kxc5 64. Kxe3 Kd5 65. Kd3 h5 66. Ke3 h4 67. f5 Ke5 68. f6 Kxf6 69. Kf2 Kg5 70. Ke2 h3 71. Kf1 g3 72. Kg1 Kf4 73. Kf1 Ke3 74. Ke1 h2 75. Kd1 Kd3 76. Kc1 h1=Q+ 77. Kb2 Qb7+ 78. Kc1 Qb6 79. Kd1 Qg1#
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Parent - - By staylor (***) [il] Date 2008-11-19 08:34
Isn't this too much a low category for Rybka to play in?
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-11-19 10:34
you mean computer chess in general?! ;)

I think Hiarcs and Sjeng are worthy opponents :)
Parent - - By staylor (***) [il] Date 2008-11-19 11:15
Ah! oK. I didn't notice the hiarcs and I didn't know if the Szeng was one of the close tops.
But in general, without several second-to-tops, It's almost like a foregone conclusion that Rybka might as well be given first prize without any tournament!
I mean, if Rybka wins all without draws.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2008-11-19 20:02
Naum, Zappa, DF11, etc. are missing but that's the fault of their programmers.
Parent - - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2008-11-19 22:17
Indeed it's very good for us to have as more engines are possible and especially top engines.
From all top engines, only Hiarcs and Rybka are participating almost in all tournaments as also Sjeng, Naum and The King, although less frequently.

I would love to see a tournament with:
Rybka, Hiarcs, Shredder, Junior, Naum, Fritz, Zappa, The King, Glaurung, Crafty(on 512 cores would be awesome), Thinker, The Baron, as also other less stronger engines(also why not Chess 64-the new Fruit).....
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) [gb] Date 2008-11-19 22:24

> I would love to see a tournament with:
>  Rybka, Hiarcs, Shredder, Junior, Naum, Fritz, Zappa, The King, Glaurung, Crafty(on 512 cores would be awesome), Thinker, The Baron, as also other less stronger engines(also why not Chess 64-the new Fruit).....


That would be something
Parent - - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2008-11-19 22:32
Yes it would be but the next one would be The tournament.
The 6 first engines of the above computer tournament i wished to exist, would promote to The tournament, that will have for example:

Rybka, Hiarcs, Shredder, Naum, Junior, Fritz + Topalov, Ivanchuk, Carlsen, Anand, Kramnik, Morozevich on a double round robin tournament with classic controls(or 90+30) where the winner(if human-to have motivation) would take 3 million $, and every win(against a computer) would give 200 000$ while every draw 50 000$.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2008-11-19 22:36
Sadly the next big tournament in Paderborn just after Christmas is in danger as only 6 engines have entered. They are proposing starting 1 day late because of this and it may have to be cancelled.
Parent - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2008-11-19 22:42
Hmm, why this is happening? :-(
Any idea?

Does it have to do anything with Rybka(that wins most of the tournaments) or the interest is decreasing because computers had more or less proved the superiority over humans?
I believe it's the second as also because to make significant improvement in these days, you have really to squeeze yourself working hard for weeks to get some ELO more. And the reward if you are commercial is small.
Parent - - By Roland Rösler (****) [de] Date 2008-11-19 23:05
Ohh, I´m sure Vas will like this tournament. I know Vas is very rich, but these 3 million $ will double his income. And be sure, there is no way, he earn only $2.950.000. :-)
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-11-19 23:16
"I know Vas is very rich"

:)
Parent - By Roland Rösler (****) [de] Date 2008-11-19 23:38
If you are the best man in such an important issue like computer chess, you must be very rich. :-)

PS: If you are only fifth best man in such an unimportant issue like investment banking, you earned it to be broke! That´s market!
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-11-19 14:40
An alternative link where you can replay the games: http://chessok.com/broadcast/?key=leiden2008.pgn&game=0
Parent - - By Dr.X (Gold) Date 2008-11-19 22:22
They should make these games downloadable!
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-11-19 22:30
it is downloadable. there's a disk symbol.
Parent - - By Dr.X (Gold) Date 2008-11-19 22:30 Edited 2008-11-19 22:32
I'll look again for it! Okay! you have to hit right  inbetween the bracket.
Parent - - By Tinefol (***) [ru] Date 2008-11-20 07:21
I'll make it more obvious. Game viewer features the downloadable PGNs from the very beginning, and I thought the discette symbol was enough for people to figure it out. Also I'll make it possible to copy/paste the notation.

As well you can download any PGN from the Broadcasts List below the game viewer (or on Tournaments & Broadcasts page). It has that xxxxx [PGN] link after every broadcast.
Parent - By Dr.X (Gold) Date 2008-11-20 07:50
Hi Tinefol,

That by all means is not your short coming-I am slow on the up take! Be easy on me today is my birthday and I am more than just over the hill. It won't be long before I'm under it! :-)
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-11-20 18:03
browsing the different games/tournaments/categories in that small window is sometimes a bit difficult. Maybe you could make this alternatively in a new window (popping up) so that you don't have to scroll that much.

Anyway, the game viewer is a very nice thing. I used it to watch some tournaments and the olympiad now, seeing Rybka's eval is quite useful.
Parent - - By Tinefol (***) [ru] Date 2008-11-20 18:51 Edited 2008-11-20 18:59
That has been fixed for about a week now :)

You can browse the broadcasts: on Tournaments & Broadcasts page, standalone Broadcasts List or at the bottom of any game viewer pages under Broadcasts List heading. Now you can also download broadcast in PGN easily from any of these broadcasts lists.
I've also added FEN display of current position to the game viewer - now you can easily copy paste game position in Aquarium or any other program.
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-11-20 19:33
ah, cool :) I opened the games via the direct link from your website so I didn't notice that :)

Maybe klicking on "broadcasts" should automatically scroll down to the broadcast list, so just a broadcasts button and no more build in list.
Parent - By Dr.X (Gold) Date 2008-11-19 22:26 Edited 2008-11-19 22:30
I am so far out of the loop- is there a link for Leiden and a Menu of the up and coming games of interest?

Do you know if Harvey will be broadcasting any of these games? More importantly the high profile games!
Parent - - By ernest (****) [fr] Date 2008-11-20 16:42 Edited 2008-11-20 16:55
Any Rybka games in Leiden as seen from the Rybka cluster (evals, depth...)?
Only the Round 2 game "The King - Rybka 3i8 cluster log" has been listed:
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=8398

Lukas?

Particularly the Deep Sjeng - Rybka game, where it is not obvious to me how Rybka managed to win.
Parent - - By Dr.X (Gold) Date 2008-11-20 20:07 Edited 2008-11-20 20:14
all in all, it should be noted that there was an error in the results in Iweta's game and it is reported that she  has the win over Kosintseva- Or at least that is the way it is being represented. :-)
Parent - By Roland Rösler (****) [de] Date 2008-11-21 00:00
Everyone knows that Iweta wins against Tatiana. Iweta doesn´t play like Rybka: six games, three wins and 3 defeats (no draw! :-)). Nevertheless Tatiana plays like a fool in this Olympiade. And I don´t think, Iweta is very pleased abaout her tournament so far (first game was a disaster).

PS: I don´t think this is the right thread to speak about Olympics. :-)
Parent - - By BenVanVlierden (***) [nl] Date 2008-11-20 20:36
Hi Jeroen,

Congratulations with yet another big Rybka-win! The gap with the nearest competitors is awe-inspiring for the moment; let's hope they quickly find ways to close in a bit.

I am intrigued by the participation of a Ktulu-version. I visited the CSVN site hoping to find some information there, but was very disappointed! The report was briefer than brief, not a word about the participants, no photographs! All the games where there, but there my enumeration of the positive aspects of the coverage stops.

Could you tell anything about Ktulu? Is it still being developed by Rahman Paidar? Is there any chance a new version will be made public shortly? I'm dying to hear!

Ben.
Parent - - By M ANSARI (*****) [kw] Date 2008-11-20 21:23
The little information I gleaned was the Ktulu was still on single processor and not an MP engine.  That to me was quite significant since it means that the engine is much stronger than it seems.
Parent - By BenVanVlierden (***) [nl] Date 2008-11-20 21:33
Well, at any rate it could be much stronger with mp support added. It's not much information indeed, but a big thanks anyway for sharing it!
Parent - - By BenVanVlierden (***) [nl] Date 2008-11-20 23:13 Edited 2008-11-20 23:16
I found some more info on the CSVN-site. Ktulu 9 was indeed running on a single core. It also said Hans Secelle was the operator. If anyone knows, how to contact him, maybe we could get some answers.

By the way, they have a cunning way at CSVN, to hide the info visitors might be interested in!
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) [nl] Date 2008-11-21 18:07
johannes.secelle <at> minfin <dot> fed <dot> be
Parent - By BenVanVlierden (***) [nl] Date 2008-11-21 19:56
Thanks for reacting. I have some inquiries running at the moment. If I learn anything I may divulge in wider circles, I'll post it somewhere on this forum.
Parent - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2008-11-21 15:35
Hi Ben,

Sorry, I was not present in Leiden and cannot tell you more about Ktulu. The information from the CSVN site is also all I have....

Jeroen
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