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- - By sarciness (***) [gb] Date 2008-10-29 15:20
I couldn't afford it at the time, but now I can. The question is, should I?

What i'd want it for is to help to analyse my games (at club level). Clearly 'Perfect' is a stronger book from the looks of it, but I'm guessing R3 book is more varied (e.g. perfect does not have anything on 1. e4 d5 2.d4 dxe4, preferring to deline the gambit). Is it worth the money? What do you think?
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-10-29 15:51
I guess for those rare sidlines just importing a lot of games in an opening tree is the best choice. You won't find much on this line in Jeroen's book (only about the transpositions to french or caro kann).
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-10-29 17:29
http://americanfoot.free.fr/echecs/hsbook.htm

just download these HS books,the masterbook is excellent for what you want it for.
Parent - - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2008-10-29 17:36
I have bought Jeroen's book and I love it. My use of it is to build my own opening book at a club level (2100-2200 elo) and I use his book to modify & add to my own repertoire. Perfect 15 etc are not so well suited for this.

If you're only using a book for ANALYSIS then to be perfectly honest your best bet is Powerbook 2008, or something of that kind, that covers lots of variations in depth. 
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2008-10-29 18:23
Hi Werewolf,

Talking about repertoire, how do you manage it? I mean, do you record moves in a .ctg / tree or ir a database? And then you keep adding moves, once you have learnt a new line?

Thanks for your opinions!

Regards
Parent - - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2008-10-29 22:16
Ah hah - I've made a breakthrough here. I created a new opening book in Fritz 11 and manually entered my repertoire in by right clicking on the opening book pane and clicking "allow move adding". Then just enter moves and adjust weights/playability accordingly.

The reason I like this method - and I've added 100 elo this season which should put me at 2200+ - is that it is MUCH easier to change & learn your repertoire than it would be with paper and pen. You can play through it on the board really fast. You can add or delete moves or just change their weight as you like or dislike them.

Also - you can play your book V a commercial book. Now it's stupid to create a personal opening book too big - mine is less than 1000 moves. So don't set you sights too high but I wanted to see if my repertoire could compete with Fritz 6's opening book. I got 2 engines to play a match against each other with my book v Fritz 6. In a couple of lines my book got killed so I changed those lines and hey presto....you have a repertoire.

Hope this helps :)
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-10-29 22:35
Actually you can optimize that method, use the huge d2m.hsh in Aquarium, create a new maintree, browse the tree with the arrow keys and start colouring the moves you play with the keys 1-5, that's much faster and comfortable than in Fritz (no mouseclicks). And if you want to see just your moves, select the main tree also for the number of moves and so on.
At least that's what I do :)
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2008-10-31 10:31
Oh, that sounds really good.

> use the huge d2m.hsh


Which one is it?

> if you want to see just your moves, select the main tree also for the number of moves and so on


Can you explain a little bit?

Thanks!
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-10-31 12:15
"Which one is it?"
It's the one you can download via chessokdownloader->Aquarium->extras , if you bought it on DVD it's already installed under Aquarium/trees/ I guess.

"Can you explain a little bit?"
If you use the d2m hsh to store the games and results and a maintree (e.g. maintree.hsh) to store the colours, you don't really know which moves are in your maintree (~repertoire) and which aren't. So I created a new configuration using the maintree for e.g. number of moves and without the d2m tree, so that you only see the moves in the maintree.
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2008-11-01 01:48

> If you use the d2m hsh to store the games and results and a maintree (e.g. maintree.hsh) to store the colours, you don't really know which moves are in your maintree (~repertoire) and which aren't. So I created a new configuration using the maintree for e.g. number of moves and without the d2m tree, so that you only see the moves in the maintree.


OK, now I got the d2m.hsh. I can mark the moves I like right clicking on a move and selecting one of the five first options.

What's the meaning of "Add to main tree"?

My repertoire starts, for example 1.e4 e5 and 1.e4 d5. Where is it stored?

Now, what do I have to do?

Sorry for so many questions

Thanks
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-11-01 10:50
"I can mark the moves I like right clicking on a move and selecting one of the five first options."
browsing with the arrow keys and pressing 1-5 is faster anyway ;) but I know some users like to use only the mouse :)

"What's the meaning of "Add to main tree"?"
If you look at the options (tree->options) and click on advanced, you see that there are different trees used. d2m is used for N (number of games) Succ,... and so on, but the "main tree" is maintree.hsh or something like this.
It means that the colours and all entered moves are not stored in the d2m tree, but in the maintree.hsh. This means your reperoire (coloured and new moves) are stored in a little file that can be exchangend easily.

For seeing only the maintree, just copy the configuration, remove all the columns from d2m.hsh or cap and so on and you see just the maintree.
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2008-11-01 20:51
Oh that is very interesting. I am already using 1-5 keys, and every thing seems to work ok!

As I have understood, colours are automatically stored in the maintree.hsh asociated with d2m.hsh. So that I can create a new configuration with maintree.hsh, and then I will have my repertoire moves.

Do I have to do anything manually with the "Add to main tree" option?

Thank you!

Regards
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2008-11-01 21:02

>As I have understood, colours are automatically stored in the maintree.hsh asociated with d2m.hsh.


Except the main tree isn't really associated with anything - in fact, almost all the default tree configurations use maintree.hsh so doing that would add your repertoire to them. If you don't want that, just use a different main tree.

> Do I have to do anything manually with the "Add to main tree" option?


If you want to add moves without coloring them, turn it on.
Parent - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2008-11-02 19:17

> If you don't want that, just use a different main tree.


Oh, I think now I understand the whole proccess. As a consecuence of that, now I see the utility of main tree path option when creating new tree configurations (advanced)

Thanks
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-10-29 21:08
Harrys books are free and still stand up.
Parent - By sarciness (***) [gb] Date 2008-11-01 11:20
Thanks, I took your advice and got some free ones.
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