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- - By rired48 (*) Date 2008-09-14 16:27
Please pardon my "newbie" questions...

If you were, like me, only a casual home chess player who wanted to get much better and eventually play in the local tournaments:

Would you puchase Rybka 3  ? version(?) ( my computer OS is WinXP Pro w/core2 Duo cpu; 2 gig RAM )...or another chess program?
Start playing online right away? And, if yes, at what sites?
Start a chess library, getting which books first?
Get involved with the local chess club?

I really appreciate any input...

Brian
USA / Rhode Island
bbtennis1@cox.net
Parent - - By changy (*) Date 2008-09-14 17:10
Hi Brian

Where to start?? I think Rybka represents very good value for money and if you want to buy chess engine software then you may as well have the best :)

Online may as well start and playchess.com and ICC offer many chances to play. I prefer playchess because I am now really enjoying engine chess but ICC has a computer account too. Automated play at ICC needs a script and I am not knowledgeable in that area so better to ask for advice from others.

I think Chess Fundamentals by Capablanca http://www.amazon.com/Chess-Fundamentals-Revised-Jose-Capablanca/dp/0812936817/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221412046&sr=1-1 is good for any budding chess player, it will give you a good start. I also like Logical Chess http://www.amazon.com/Logical-Chess-Every-Explained-Algebraic/dp/0713484640

I'm sure that others will recommend their preferred choice of books.

Definitely look up the local chess club, they're a good way to meet like minded people. You'll get to discuss tactics, software, books, sites...the whole lot...and you may even get to play a game :)

Hope this helps
Parent - - By rired48 (*) Date 2008-09-14 17:56
Hey Changy...

Thx for your response...

I read a quote of someone discussing Rybka, and he said "It is very difficult to learn from Rybka as it is a very positional engine and improves its position very slowly..." Would that mean Rybka 3 is the best in tournaments, but not necessarily the best teaching program for someone like me?

You said..."I am now really enjoying engine chess..." meaning... playing against your computer program? Or, your computer program against someone else's?

Thx also for book recommendations. I just ordered "Silman's Complete Endgame Course: From Beginner To Master", and "How to Use Computers to Improve Your Chess"...

This morning, I played a chess match online at one site, can't remember which, and unfortunately it was "blitz" (?) chess...many moves in a very short time...YIKES... that was murder...first off, I was nervous...first match ever online...and speed-chess...it was BAD for me!!

Any specific websites you would recommend for me?

Thx again

Brian
Parent - - By changy (*) Date 2008-09-14 18:17
Oh sorry, I misunderstood your request, I didn't realise you wanted a chess teaching type program. I don't have any experience of them..sorry.

I'm enjoying both playing against the engine..and getting soundly beaten....and also my PC against another PC?Engine. I am enjoying the challenge of trying to analyse the moves although I am looking to get some different help on that matter as I am relatively new to it.

I'm a half decent player and am returning to the game after a long absence through illness. My son rekindled my interest and when we get the chance we perform as a partnership..two heads being better than one!!
Parent - By rired48 (*) Date 2008-09-14 18:59
No, not a chess teaching program.... in the sense of it being for a beginner. I'm not a beginner. I want a program that is especially good at move analysis, alternate suggestions, and shows how to develop and refine your game.
Parent - - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2008-09-14 19:33
I highly recommend Dan Heisman's page at:

http://home.comcast.net/~danheisman/Main_Chess/chess.htm

Read "Novice Nook", "Thinking Caps", "Articles". A lot of good stuff in there.

http://chess.emrald.net

The notorious chess tactics server. Don't be afraid to get a gazillion wrong, you can always start a new account someday. Don't get discouraged, and don't fuss over your rating. Just focus on the problems and the understanding.

http://www.chessbase.com

The best place for chess news.

As for learning software I recommend ChessMaster 9,10, or latest version 11. They provide lessons and drills to help familiarize yourself with chess. Also ChessMaster has the handy feature of a bunch (30+) of different "personalities" to play that start from the very lowest strength (trust me you will win) to GM strength.

Rybka 3 would be a great program to have though as your main analysis engine. It's always nice to have a program on your machine that plays the very best chess, which is also handy if you get mad at a particular chessmaster personality and want to watch it get thrashed :)

Silman's books are excellent. Endgames would be a great place to start as well. I also recommend these:

Everyone's 2nd chess book by Dan Heisman - Basic overview of chess

Reaccess your Chess by Jeremy Silman - A basis for positional understanding and evaluation

Winning Chess Strategies by Yasser Seirawan - An excellent and very clear book on strategy

Chess tactics for champions by Susan Polgar - A chess tactics book that gives you just enough of everything.

Think like a grandmaster by Alexander Kotov - A great system for analysis

There are other great books of course but if you master these (and the books you just got), you should be in good shape. Don't be lazy, get out the board if there are too many moves to visualize.

By the way, I cannot stress the importance of playing long games enough. At least 30 minutes for each side. There's a distinct separation in playing strength between those who cannot resist the temptation of impatience and play a ton of blitz games with the super occasional long game, and those who spend their foundational days playing many, many, long games. Your blitz strength will improve with your long time control strength, like a yappy little dog following suit.

One strategy I recommend and have found very interesting is to play the chessmaster strengths one at a time, giving the computer something like 20-30 minutes while I have unlimited (or just extremely long). Try to play the absolute best move that you can humanly come up with for each move. Moving up the strength ladder it gets very interesting as the computer plays stronger and stronger chess.

After each game make sure you save them to a database and throughly analyze them. Use chessbase lite or the chessbase that comes with Rybka 3. Even the default engine should be able to help you spot quite a few mistakes though.

Have fun and good luck!
Parent - - By rired48 (*) Date 2008-09-15 00:05
Labyrinth...

Thx for that great reply. I will follow your suggestions.

Which version of Rybka3 should I get? There are several. ( I have 32 bit WinXP Pro OS, 2 gig of ram, dual-core Intel cpu, and an excellent video card). There is Rybka 3 UCI, Deep Rybka3 UCI, Rybka3 Aquarium, Deep Rybka3 Aquarium, Chess Assistant Pro Package w/ Deep Rybka3, and others as well...

And, what do you think of the prices at the below website for those programs, or are there better sites to buy from?
http://store.convekta.com/shop_model.asp?sView=Catalog&gid=200#product1574

Thx again...

Brian
Parent - By changy (*) Date 2008-09-15 08:33
Brian

I got a few bits wrong but I was only trying to help and now you are getting some great advice from others.

I would buy Deep Rybka as it will run on a single CPU (You have dual) and you can then be safe in the knowledge that if you upgrade to quad CPU it will be even better.

I'm just looking at Aquarium for the new analysis function. Deep Rybka is a UCI engine so you can run it under chessbase products like Fritz etc.

Regards

Changy

PS When you buy Rybka/Deep Rybka you get 32 and 64 bit versions
Parent - - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2008-09-15 10:16
Deep Rybka 3.

Search the forum for opinions on both aquarium and chessbase. Here are some other sites:

http://www.wholesalechess.com/chess/Deep+Rybka+3

http://chessbaseusastore.com/productslist.aspx?CategoryID=128&selection=1

I highly recommend looking through the Rybka forum on this though. There's a lot of folks who were/are in a rybka 3 purchasing quandary.
Parent - By rired48 (*) Date 2008-09-22 21:44
Bought Deep Rybka3 Friday. Hope I receive it soon.... like a kid waiting to open his presents on night before XMas...

For now, I'm trying to use the freebie Rybka 22n2 w/ Arena... confusing to the novice...
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2008-10-03 20:39
Parent - - By gerold (**) Date 2008-09-22 23:06
Any of the Rybka/s are good. Even the first free one. Also any of the top free programs are very good. Just google free chess programs.
All the programs in the world will not replace playing at your local club. That is where you really learn opening etc.

Very best to you,

Gerold.
Parent - - By rired48 (*) Date 2008-09-25 23:10
Thanks, Gerold.
Parent - - By rired48 (*) Date 2008-09-29 01:03
It's Sept 28th, and I have not received Rybka 3 yet. I made a mistake, ordering from Germany, and not the US Chessbase site... OUCH...
Parent - By rired48 (*) Date 2008-09-29 23:54
Today (Monday) I received my new toy, Deep Rybka3. It must be Christmas...
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2008-10-03 20:16
well said,you will learn more at any chess club than any chess site also you will be made very welcome.
Parent - - By rired48 (*) Date 2008-10-04 20:11 Edited 2008-10-04 20:16
Well, I'm not ready to go to the local chess club. I need to be in the "minor leagues" at home with my computer chess for a while, before graduating to the place where the best local players are. Of course, maybe they have "A", "B", and "C" divisions so that the "good" players don't get stuck playing me. This is the way we run our local table tennis club.

I just received from Amazon the book "Silman's Complete Endgame Course".... I need help... with the end, middle, and opening...
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2008-10-04 21:41
there are a lot more members on the forum much better qualified than myself to give you advice in these matters.
regards Paul.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2008-10-05 21:57
http://www.chess.com/
does this site help.
Parent - - By lisastew Date 2019-05-14 11:57
What a good decision! You can start learn chess and basics on [url=]www.chess.com[/url] , also there are lots of good resources and supplies on https://kaoori.co.uk and https://learningchess.net/

For clubs it's always good to join a club when you already know the basics, so you will learn lots of things and improve your playing by getting experienced in club, by knowledge sharing !
Parent - By Innoxvrid Date 2019-05-15 08:33
Nice! Thanks, man! I'll try your links
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