For your information "Chessbase" doesn't sell second rate engines" nor will we ever sell second rate engines...Also for your info i have been deleting all users using this "fake" rybka 2.4 . Not that i have to , but i dislike piracy and cloners.. so keep your silly comments to yourself..
Vasik i think it's time you started to act like a mature programer and not a 13 year old kid with a new toy, since you started programing rybka engine you have been nothing but a pompass ass with his head stuck very high ,Someone will knock you down one day and you will be no more then a memory of the past..The engine world is a small comunity of well know and respected people, your making it real hard for people to respect you with alot of your actions..
It's not hard for everyone to get along, but when you act like you thinking your better then everyone because you have right now the current strongest Blitz engine, trust me one day this will end , then who will you be?
"For your information "Chessbase" doesn't sell second rate engines" nor will we ever sell second rate engines..."
Richard , have you been smoking marijuana???
"WOW!!!! Richard is very upset as I was going through all my Rybka today I started to notice one thing that Rybka has continued to produce with each one....A buggy Rybka I don't think that there has ever been a NON BUGGED RYBKA or I could be wrong but each Rybka has it's bugs that seem to go onto the next rybka or get corrected but creating other bugs for new rybka dang....Will there ever be a BUG free RYBKA? Just a thought!!!"
I can't agree with that any more. But , there is not one single chess engine that publicly exists that is "bug-free". In fact , you might go so far as to say that Rybka is the one chess engine with fewer bugs. Besides the little fish and Shredder , there aren't any engines with an endgame.
Now of course that is only one side of the story and I am very sure Vasik could lay into Chessbase with all sorts of convincing counterallegations. But that's how it goes with any dispute; rarely is one side totally in the right and the other without a shred of merit to their complaints.
My personal view is that whoever authors the best engine deserves every bit of credit. At least in that department it is possible to objectively and dispassionately rank who's #1 and #2. If Chessbase is pissed because Rybka is on top, tough luck. The solution is to build a better engine and prove it is better!
But as for all the rest...it sure seems to me that Rybka gets for free a terrific forum in which to display its prowess: the Playchess Engine room. In exchange for that privilege you would think Vasik would be on very good professional terms with Chessbase and make every effort to pre-empt or swiftly resolve any technical problems. And on the other side you would think Chessbase and its representatives would exercise self-restraint and keep private feuds private; to do otherwise diminishes Chessbase and hurts the hobby.
Marijuana does not evince hostility. That is why it is not legalized. The armed forces, if they smoked jeeba, would be sitting around thinking pleasantries. If Mr. Stickles is smoking anything it would be STP (formaldehyde).
"you have right now the current strongest Blitz engine"
If ChessBase thinks that Fritz will beat Rybka at tournament time controls, let them issue a challenge for a match
>For your information "Chessbase" doesn't sell second rate engines"
Rybka is second rate engine?
>because you have right now the current strongest Blitz engine.
You are dropping some very clever insinuations, that may lead people to believe some things that are completely incorrect!
For example someone who doesn't know the whole situation may think, if he reads the above statement, that Rybka is the strongest only in blitz time controls. Of course this can't be more inaccurate! Rybka is much stronger in all time controls!
Yet, no one can accuse you of perverting the truth in that statement since you didn't say anything wrong. Really clever. :-)
Yet these methods are hypocritical....
>trust me one day this will end , then who will you be?
What is this again? Who will he be, who will you be, who will I be? What pointless nonsense is all these?
I do not know if this is the proper thread but, do you know why Vas chose Convekta instead of Chessbase.
Was it a question of money? Sometime ago I thought It would be because Chessbase did not let him be part of the gui development. But I think Vas is not developing Rybka 3 gui, "just" the engine, so this must not be the reason ;)
OK, Vas please, can you give any details?
>Vasik i think it's time you started to act like a mature programer and not a 13 year old kid with a new toy, since you started programing rybka engine you have been nothing but a pompass ass with his head stuck very high.
i wonder how polite is this hatejealous guy!!
also cheap propaganda.
It really is a shame things are so icy between the two camps. It is understandable, on a business level, that perennial rivals such as Coke and Pepsi should not be on the most cordial terms. But you would think people on both sides would behave professionally and pay each other every possible courtesy even while privately wishing they were dead and doing everything they could within the law to bring it about.
If you read the complaints of both sides you get the impression that half of the problem consists of real grievances and half of it is gut-level antipathy. I don't think the latter issue can be bridged, personally. But I do wish Matthias and Vasik had each other's cell phone numbers and worked disputes out like a couple of mafia capos minus the gunplay.
Its not really understandable from a business standpoint since both Chessbase and Vas would have been better served by maintaining a cordial relationship. Its very likely that the Chessbase people underestimated Rybka during the initial negotiations. Maybe after getting a better assessment of Rybka's strength and endurance and seeing its effect on their bottom line, they would be willing to make Vas an offer he couldn't refuse (sorry, I couldn't resist the Mafia tie-in :-) ). So Chessbase is missing out on having the best chess engine and maybe Vas is missing out on the chance to have a finantial interest in sponsored Rybka vs top grandmaster matches. This looks to me like a lose-lose proposition.
In any event, its never smart to burn your bridges behind you. Today's competitors are frequently tomorrow's collaborators. Rybka is the strongest chess engine and Chessbase is the most popular chess site. Even if they couldn't come to terms at the beginning, it shouldn't be completely inconcievable that someday these two entities would be working together...
Lack of knowledge and romours. You shouldn't be suprised.
Imagine a whole city populated with computer chess enthusiasts...can you imagine a greater state of anarchy?
I can greatly appreciate the effusion of an overweening personality even if it is, at the very least, clad in somekind of logical nicety. Ultimately, Mr. Stickles, you are reduced to nothing less than a sciolistic smatterer. After all! What are your claims?
P.S Mr. Stickles, the redundancy is intentional!!!
As far as I am concerned Vas has proved IRL that he is better than anybody else who has seriously tried chess programming. So lets conclude he has some bragging rights.
And reading this forum he seems to have no problems treating people equally and with normal respect.
So why don't you go and fix the playchess bugs instead Richard, seems like some refactoring challenges there.
I want to apologies for my previous remarks. I think it is very unfortunate that you need be provocative to elicit attention. If the only attention you are getting is through the expression of negativity-you must be a very lonely person.
If you suffer from depression, I would encourage you to get a pet (preferably a dog) they are capable of expressing love freely and openly. However, if you are prone to ugly uncontrollable outburst of anger-go get help before you get a dog. I consider dogs-if treated with understanding and love, to be in their innocents close to God.
P.S.Mr. Stickless,( may I call you Richard?) repeat after me, " I am not Chessbase! I am more than that! I am a fully capable person worthy of being loved."
The CB engines are inferior by a large margin to Rybka. Stickles' extreme sensitivity to an amusing comment by Vas, shows one thing only: that at least one CB groupie is feeling the heat and can't take it.
But Stickles is in the wrong place. I don't mean this forum, which belongs to Vas and the users of Rybka. I mean the chess community. If Stickles doesn't learn to be polite, especially to his superiors, there will be no room for him anywhere in the chess world.
Charles Anthony (CMA)
> And you wonder why i have a problem with rybka?
> For your information "Chessbase" doesn't sell second rate engines" nor will we ever sell second rate engines...Also for your info i have been deleting all users using this "fake" rybka 2.4 . Not that i have to , but i dislike piracy and cloners.. so keep your silly comments to yourself..
> Vasik i think it's time you started to act like a mature programer and not a 13 year old kid with a new toy, since you started programing rybka engine you have been nothing but a pompass ass with his head stuck very high ,Someone will knock you down one day and you will be no more then a memory of the past..The engine world is a small comunity of well know and respected people, your making it real hard for people to respect you with alot of your actions..
> It's not hard for everyone to get along, but when you act like you thinking your better then everyone because you have right now the current strongest Blitz engine, trust me one day this will end , then who will you be?
> Richard Stickles
Where are You now a days , " Great TD Richard Stickles "?
Have u ordered any ???
( Well , i just come to this thread accidently and just want to tell this guy that this is what we call " Checkmate # " )
FWCC(Future World Chess Champion)
it's still not 100% clear if there will be algorithm changes in 2.3.2. So far, there are none, only bug fixes.
Save the algorithm changes for Rybka 3.
It is obvious that, implementing such a complex work, as is Larry Kaufmann's about value of chess pieces, is no way an easy task. It is also obvious (to me, anyway) that it requires dramatic change in algorythms. 2.3.1 does not trade her queen for 2 pawns (which would represent a bug), but performs worse (or no better than) 2.3/2.3 LK ELO-wise, which means that one of the possible causes for this underperformance might be in the way LK work was implemented.
Yes, code is always deliberately introduced. And if it's not working as it should it has a bug. So Vas has to find and kill it. Or, if the problem is more difficult, he has to put instant reply out of the defaults for now and try to repair it later...
but performs worse (or no better than) 2.3/2.3 LK ELO-wise, which means that one of the possible causes for this underperformance might be in the way LK work was implemented.
That may be so or may not be so. I've already heard quite some different estimations of the playing strength, too. Anyway, as far as I've understood the case the current theory is that the performance should go significantly up after some bugs are eliminated. In this case the Kaufman algorithms would at least be better than the ones used before and should probably be kept for the time being...
Re. Larry Kaufman's values - he worked independently for a while and then we merged everything together. It's impossible to be 100% sure about anything, but the data is rather overwhelming that this formulation helps slightly.
Re. 2.3.1 - there were many other changes which went into this version. Some good, some probably bad. If I had a crystal ball which told me which is which, my work would go a lot more smoothly. I hope that the bug fixes in 2.3.2 finally show these algorithms in a good light.
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