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Up Topic The Rybka Lounge / Computer Chess / To MikeB: Honey_Tac=2 +94 Elo over Komodo-13.3 !!
- By MrKris (***) Date 2020-06-10 00:05
 
G/6'+2" 8th x2 , 2700X 2GBh NoSyzygy
Nooman T17sufin + 50 2-moves, reversed
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                             Elo  +-    Games    Score      Data
1. Honey-052520_sm25_Tac2  :  94  30  126.5/200  63.2%  +65 -12 =123
2. Komodo-13.3_c0          :   0  29   73.5/200  36.8%   draws 61.5%

TCEC 17 SuFin openings: Honey-Tac2 64% (58% draws),
2-move openings: Honey-Tac2 62.5% (65% draws).

Honey Tac=2 won over 5 games for every Komodo win.
In 8 of the 12 Komodo wins Honey-Tac2 won with the same color in the reversed:
= unique wins: Honey-Tac2 57 - Komodo 4 , over 12-to-1 ratio!
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See also: To MikeB : Solution to Tac=2 bad time management
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=33549
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The solution for Honey Tactical and Stockfish multi-PV is simply to reduce the 'Slow Mover' setting.
    It can be easily tuned by watching Tac.2 vs. Tac.0, or PV=x vs. PV=1,
    blitz games in any GUI that shows the clock times.

MikeB @ http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=73731&start=10#p846482
That's about right - tactical 2 is for analysis only but it's very bad at time management
and plays much weaker. Last night I also noticed it breaks "go mate x"

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The shortest win, a sharp exchange sacrifice in the opening book.
- As white Honey-Tac2 continued the attack, gave itself +3.02 winning at move 17 and won on move 28.
- As white Komodo trapped black's B(h1) to recover material and drew at move 30.
That is what I call 'tactical' vs. not! [Event "2GBh T17sufin,50Nooman2m"]
[Site "2700X 8th x 2 , no Syzygy"]
[Date "2020.06.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Honey-052520_sm25_Tac2"]
[Black "Komodo-13.3_c0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E47"]
[Opening "Nimzo-Indian"]
[Variation "4.e3 O-O 5.Bd3 b6"]
[TimeControl "360+2"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "56"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. d4 {book} Nf6 {book} 2. c4 {book} e6 {book} 3. Nc3 {book} Bb4 {book} 4.
e3 {book} O-O {book} 5. Bd3 {book} b6 {book} 6. e4 {book} Bb7 {book} 7. e5
{book} Bxg2 {+0.78/26 0 7.4s} 8. Bg5 {-0.09/24 0 10s} Bxh1 {+0.67/27 0 19s}
9. exf6 {-0.55/23 0 4.0s} g6 {+0.49/27 0 15s} 10. Qg4 {-0.48/25 0 14s}
e5 {+0.37/26 0 12s}

( 10...Re8 {Komodo 1/2-1/2 HoneyTac2} 11.f3 d5 12.Kf2 c5 13.a3 cxd4
14.axb4 dxc3 15.bxc3 Qd6 16.Qh4 Nc6 17.Qh6 Qf8 18.Qxf8+ Rxf8 19.Bf4 Rfe8
20.cxd5 exd5 21.Ne2 Bxf3 22.Kxf3 a5 23.Bb5 Re6 24.Bg5 h6 25.Bxh6 Rxf6+
26.Kg4 Na7 27.Bd3 Nc6 28.Bb5 Na7 29.Bd3 Nc6 30.Bb5 {1/2-1/2} )

11. O-O-O {+0.43/20 0 3.3s} exd4 {0.0028 18s} 12. Nd5
{+0.90/25 0 13s} Bxd5 {0.0030 5.3s} 13. cxd5 {+0.97/24 0 3.5s} Qc8
{-1.08/29 0 56s} 14. Qh4 {+1.67/24 0 6.9s} Re8 {-1.93/25 0 5.8s} 15. Nf3
{+1.74/24 0 6.6s} Na6 {-2.62/27 0 15s} 16. Bf4 {+2.81/29 0 16s} Qd8
{-3.02/26 0 6.6s} 17. Bxa6 {+3.02/24 0 5.6s} b5 {-3.13/30 0 15s} 18. Bxb5
{+2.93/25 0 8.4s} Rb8 {-3.13/28 0 5.4s} 19. Bd3 {+3.12/28 0 16s} Bd6
{-3.41/27 0 10s} 20. Bh6 {+4.06/24 0 6.5s} Re5 {-3.76/27 0 9.3s} 21. Nxe5
{+4.40/23 0 7.1s} Bxe5 {-5.60/26 0 8.5s} 22. Bg7 {+4.28/24 0 5.9s} c6
{-5.76/30 0 6.7s} 23. f4 {+4.98/26 0 9.3s} Bd6 {-6.30/31 0 19s} 24. f5
{+5.44/27 0 15s} Qc7 {-6.57/32 0 17s} 25. Rf1 {+7.51/25 0 8.0s} Qb7
{-9.85/30 0 18s} 26. Rf2 {+8.59/22 0 4.1s} Qb4 {-9.46/26 0 4.7s} 27. Re2
{+11.38/26 0 13s} Qc5+ {-14.23/25 0 23s} 28. Kd1 {+11.77/22 0 2.9s} Qxd5
{-16.00/23 0 6.3s, White wins by adjudication} 1-0

The book was a Scheveningen with 6.g4.
- With white Honey-Tac2 was already better when Komodo ineffectively tried a classic Sicilian 13...Rc8x(N)c3 exchange sacrifice.
-- Honey-Tac2 immediately answered with an effective classic Sicilian 15.Nd4-e6 N offer. Honey-Tac2 won the ending on move 36.
- With white Komodo played a slower attack with 11.Ng3, 12.Qd2 etc. then Honey played 21...O-O-O, risky looking but evidentally tactically  safe, and drew on move 60. [Event "2GBh T17sufin,50Nooman2m"]
[Site "2700X 8th x 2 , no Syzygy"]
[Date "2020.06.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Honey-052520_Tac2"]
[Black "Komodo-13.3_c0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B81"]
[Opening "Sicilian"]
[Variation "Scheveningen, Keres, 6...a6"]
[TimeControl "360+2"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "72"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. e4 {book} c5 {book} 2. Nf3 {book} e6 {book} 3. d4 {book} cxd4 {book} 4.
Nxd4 {book} Nf6 {book} 5. Nc3 {book} d6 {book} 6. g4 {book} a6 {book} 7. g5
{+0.82/21 0 8.2s} Nfd7 {-0.84/25 0 10s} 8. a3 {+0.93/23 0 11s} b5 {-0.82/26 0 15s}
9. Be3 {+1.02/23 0 21s}

( 9.f4 {Komodo 1/2-1/2 Honey-Tac2} b4 10.Nce2 Bb7 11.Ng3 Nc6 12.Qd2 Nxd4 13.Bxd4 h6
14.g6 fxg6 15.Qxb4 Qc7 16.Qb3 d5 17.O-O-O Bc5 18.Bxg7 Rh7 19.Bd4 Bxd4 20.Rxd4 Qxf4+
21.Kb1 O-O-O 22.Be2 Nc5 23.Qc3 Qc7 24.exd5 exd5 25.Bd3 Rd6 26.Rf1 Kb8 27.a3 Re7
28.Rb4 a5 29.Rb5 Nxd3 30.Qxd3 Qc4 31.Rxa5 Qxd3 32.cxd3 h5 33.Ra4 Ba6 34.Kc2 Rb6
35.Rf8+ Ka7 36.Rf2 Rc7+ 37.Kb1 Kb7 38.Rd2 Rc3 39.Rd4 Rxa3 40.Ne2 Kb8 41.Rxd5 h4
42.Kc2 Rab3 43.Kc1 R3b4 44.Rc2 g5 45.Nd4 Bb7 46.Rd8+ Ka7 47.Rd7 Ka8 48.Rc4 Rxc4+
49.dxc4 Rf6 50.Rd8+ Ka7 51.b4 g4 52.Rg8 Rf4 53.Nb5+ Kb6 54.Rg6+ Bc6 55.Nd6 h3
56.b5 Bf3 57.Rg5 Ka5 58.c5 Kb4 59.b6 Kc3 60.Nb5+ Kd3 {1/2-1/2} )

Bb7 {-0.79/25 0 9.5s} 10. f4 {+0.99/22 0
18s} Nc6 {-0.86/24 0 7.1s} 11. h4 {+0.87/21 0 11s} Rc8 {-0.72/25 0 15s} 12.
Bh3 {+1.00/20 0 9.3s} Na5 {-0.71/26 0 19s} 13. f5 {+0.81/24 0 20s} Rxc3
{-0.39/27 0 13s} 14. bxc3 {+0.66/25 0 13s} e5 {-0.28/25 0 6.5s} 15. Ne6
{+0.91/21 0 5.5s} Qc8 {-0.42/26 0 7.6s} 16. Nxf8 {+0.74/23 0 5.6s} Qxc3+
{-0.29/30 0 26s} 17. Kf2 {+0.82/26 0 14s} Nc5 {-0.20/27 0 9.6s} 18. Bxc5
{+0.71/24 0 8.8s} Qxc5+ {0.0027 4.7s} 19. Kg3 {+0.75/23 0 5.7s} Bxe4
{-0.18/29 0 17s} 20. Re1 {+0.81/24 0 8.1s} Bc6 {-0.43/28 0 17s} 21. a4
{+0.66/25 0 5.4s} b4 {-0.57/27 0 13s} 22. Rb1 {+0.95/23 0 7.4s} Kxf8
{0.0030 5.3s} 23. Qd2 {+0.84/25 0 9.0s} Nc4 {-0.18/36 0 34s} 24. Qxb4
{+1.35/23 0 7.1s} Qd4 {0.0039 8.1s} 25. Qb8+ {+1.47/24 0 3.8s} Be8 {0.0030
4.5s} 26. Re2 {+1.39/26 0 9.3s} a5 {-0.78/25 0 13s} 27. Rb3 {+2.35/23 0
8.4s} h5 {-2.26/24 0 12s} 28. g6 {+4.17/22 0 4.1s} Nd2 {-2.90/24 0 5.6s}
29. Rbe3 {+4.88/28 0 6.6s} Nc4 {-3.39/27 0 15s} 30. Re4 {+6.66/23 0 3.9s}
Qb6 {-4.78/30 0 5.0s} 31. Qc8 {+7.25/24 0 4.7s} d5 {-5.01/30 0 4.8s} 32.
Rxc4 {+8.72/27 0 4.6s} dxc4 {-5.24/30 0 4.9s} 33. Rxe5 {+9.62/26 0 4.9s}
Qc6 {-5.40/31 0 5.2s} 34. Qd8 {+10.97/26 0 5.0s} Qd7 {-5.50/30 0 7.0s} 35.
Qb8 {+11.46/26 0 4.5s} Rh6 {-12.18/27 0 13s} 36. Rxa5 {+12.80/27 0 4.8s}
Qc6 {-12.72/25 0 19s, White wins by adjudication} 1-0

In the sharp Slav Bronstein (or Steiner) Honey-Tac2 won with both colors.
- As black, the first after-book move, Komodo played the very rare and passive 8...e6?!, its game slowly got worse.
- As black Honey-Tac2 played the normal 8...e5 and Komodo misplayed the defence in the ending and then lost quickly. [Event "2GBh T17sufin,50Nooman2m"]
[Site "2700X 8th x 2 , no Syzygy"]
[Date "2020.06.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Honey-052520_Tac2"]
[Black "Komodo-13.3_c0"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D16"]
[Opening "Slav"]
[Variation "Bronstein, 6.Ne5 Bh5 7.f3 Nfd7"]
[TimeControl "360+2"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "74"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. d4 {book} d5 {book} 2. c4 {book} c6 {book} 3. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 4.
Nc3 {book} dxc4 {book} 5. a4 {book} Bg4 {book} 6. Ne5 {book} Bh5 {book} 7.
f3 {book} Nfd7 {book} 8. Nxc4 {book} e6 {-0.72/25 0 17s}

( 8...e5 {-0.43/22 0 11s ---Komodo 0-1 Honey-Tac2}
9. e4 {+0.78/26 0 16s} f6 {-0.50/22 0 6.7s} 10. Be3 {+0.68/25 0 7.2s} Bf7 {-0.34/24 0 12s}
11. d5 {+0.66/28 0 16s} Bb4 {-0.24/25 0 12s} 12. Be2 {+0.51/28 0 15s} O-O
{-0.28/21 0 7.9s} 13. O-O {+0.66/27 0 17s} a5 {-0.34/26 0 12s} 14. Qc2
{+0.63/25 0 12s} Bc5 {-0.29/23 0 7.7s} 15. Qd2 {+0.61/27 0 25s} cxd5
{-0.17/25 0 16s} 16. exd5 {+0.59/25 0 6.4s} Na6 {-0.20/24 0 11s} 17. Rfd1
{+0.51/29 0 34s} Rc8 {-0.16/25 0 18s} 18. Rac1 {+0.56/27 0 10s} Kh8
{-0.12/27 0 21s} 19. b3 {+0.52/25 0 10s} Nb4 {0.0025 15s} 20. d6 {+0.42/26
0 15s} f5 {0.0028 14s} 21. Nb5 {+0.34/26 0 17s} b6 {0.0023 5.7s} 22. Re1
{+0.22/26 0 29s} Bg8 {0.0026 10.0s} 23. Kh1 {+0.14/25 0 9.7s} Bxe3
{+0.15/21 0 3.7s} 24. Qxe3 {0.0026 8.6s} Qh4 {+0.05/27 0 13s} 25. Red1
{0.0027 3.4s} Nd5 {+0.25/24 0 6.9s} 26. Qd2 {0.0029 7.2s} Nc5 {+0.24/24 0
18s} 27. Qe1 {0.0027 6.9s} Qg5 {+0.14/22 0 2.7s} 28. Rb1 {0.0029 4.4s} Nd7
{+0.22/27 0 15s} 29. Nc3 {+0.06/27 0 14s} Nxc3 {+0.09/24 0 13s} 30. Qxc3
{0.0030 3.6s} Qf6 {+0.09/26 0 5.8s} 31. Rd2 {0.0030 5.8s} Be6 {+0.10/23 0
9.5s} 32. Bf1 {+0.14/25 0 9.8s} Rc5 {0.0027 15s} 33. Qe3 {+0.06/24 0 8.4s}
f4 {0.0023 6.6s} 34. Qf2 {+0.12/26 0 11s} e4 {+0.10/23 0 3.0s} 35. fxe4
{+0.87/24 0 5.0s} Rh5 {+0.31/24 0 17s} 36. Be2 {0.0023 4.1s} Rh4 {+0.37/21
0 3.9s} 37. Qg1 {0.0030 6.5s} Qh6 {+0.38/23 0 12s} 38. Rdd1 {0.0029 3.0s}
g5 {+0.23/24 0 10s} 39. Nd2 {0.0029 14s} g4 {+0.21/25 0 12s} 40. Bc4
{0.0030 4.1s} Bxc4 {+0.09/28 0 10s} 41. bxc4 {0.0027 3.6s} Kg8 {0.0028 4.7s
; Honey-XI-r1-Tac2, 3 mins.:} 42. Nf1 {0.0030 3.0s ? Honey-XI-r1-Tac2 3
mins. -0.83 /+. also:} (42. g3 {0.00}) (42. Rb2 {0.00}) (42. Rb5 {-0.11
=+}) 42. .. g3 {+0.80/21 0 4.3s} 43. Rb2 {0.0031 3.4s} Re8 {+1.11/24 0
9.9s} 44. Rd4 {0.0025 3.5s} Re6 {+1.45/24 0 8.8s} 45. Rb5 {-0.88/26 0 17s}
Kf7 {+1.72/25 0 6.7s} 46. Rf5+ {-1.00/23 0 3.5s} Ke8 {+2.06/22 0 1.7s} 47.
Rb5 {-1.41/25 0 5.9s} Nf6 {+5.16/23 0 2.3s} 48. d7+ {-7.00/28 0 23s} Kd8
{+6.41/21 0 3.5s} 49. h3 {-8.91/27 0 8.7s} f3 {+7.26/21 0 2.8s} 50. gxf3
{-8.57/26 0 4.9s} Nh5 {+8.04/24 0 2.1s} 51. e5 {-9.46/28 0 3.8s} Rxd4
{+11.80/22 0 1.9s} 52. Qxd4 {-15.14/23 0 6.8s} Nf4 {+13.44/23 0 2.1s} 53.
Nh2 {-20.47/22 0 2.2s, Black wins by adjudication. 0-1} )

9. Qb3 {+1.07/24 0
21s} Na6 {-0.93/26 0 15s} 10. Bf4 {+1.15/25 0 15s} Nb6 {-1.07/25 0 7.5s}
11. e4 {+1.23/23 0 7.5s} Nb4 {-0.98/26 0 7.8s} 12. h4 {+1.35/25 0 21s} h6
{-1.19/27 0 13s} 13. g4 {+1.45/23 0 7.5s} Nxc4 {-1.41/25 0 7.2s} 14. Bxc4
{+1.79/22 0 5.4s} Bg6 {-1.51/25 0 8.2s} 15. Be5 {+2.00/23 0 7.8s} a5
{-1.53/28 0 19s} 16. O-O-O {+1.83/23 0 12s} Bh7 {-1.91/28 0 21s} 17. Rhf1
{+2.22/22 0 8.2s} Be7 {-2.06/26 0 26s} 18. Bxg7 {+2.36/23 0 7.8s} Rg8
{-2.29/25 0 4.8s} 19. Bxh6 {+2.36/23 0 7.5s} Bxh4 {-2.27/28 0 5.8s} 20. Kb1
{+2.51/23 0 12s} Qf6 {-2.74/28 0 50s} 21. Bd2 {+2.78/24 0 7.2s} O-O-O
{-2.96/27 0 6.4s} 22. Na2 {+2.82/23 0 3.7s} Rxd4 {-3.34/29 0 6.2s} 23. Nxb4
{+2.95/23 0 4.1s} axb4 {-3.35/28 0 5.1s} 24. Bxb4 {+2.95/25 0 7.1s} Rgd8
{-3.62/29 0 7.9s} 25. Rxd4 {+3.07/24 0 7.0s} Qxd4 {-3.46/30 0 6.4s} 26. Bc3
{+3.33/29 0 14s} Bxe4+ {-3.66/29 0 9.9s} 27. fxe4 {+3.76/26 0 4.0s} Qxe4+
{-3.81/29 0 7.1s} 28. Ka1 {+4.10/28 0 16s} Rd7 {-3.53/30 0 4.7s} 29. a5
{+3.53/25 0 7.9s} Bd8 {-3.42/28 0 6.9s} 30. Ka2 {+4.31/23 0 3.6s} Kb8
{-3.85/25 0 5.5s} 31. g5 {+5.30/24 0 7.7s} Ka7 {-4.35/24 0 7.6s} 32. Bd2
{+6.06/25 0 8.0s} Bxa5 {-6.19/29 0 24s} 33. Bxa5 {+6.54/25 0 4.9s} b5
{-7.28/28 0 12s} 34. g6 {+6.69/23 0 4.5s} fxg6 {-5.43/27 0 4.4s} 35. Rc1
{+6.76/24 0 4.3s} Kb8 {-5.78/31 0 8.3s} 36. Bxb5 {+32.17/24 0 6.9s} cxb5
{-10.41/25 0 4.9s} 37. Qxb5+ {+32.17/24 0 4.5s} Qb7 {-23.22/24 0 6.4s,
White wins by adjudication} 1-0
Above highly correlated with www.fastgm.de:
- G/10'+6" 1-core
Sf 11 +93 Elo over Ko'13.3
Sf 11 64.3% vs. Ko'13.3, 300 games.
- G/60'+15" 1-core
Sf 11 +95 Elo over Ko'13.3
Sf 11 66.7% vs. Ko'13.3, 150 games.

http://www.fastgm.de/h2h10.html
G/10 min. + 6 secs. 1-core
Head to head statistics:
  1) Stockfish 11                3414 :  12300 (+8744,=3494,-62),  85.3 %
     vs.                               :  games (    +,    =,  -),   (%) :   Diff,   SD, CFS (%)
     Stockfish 10                      :    300 (   50,  237, 13),  56.2 :    +31,    4,  100.0
     Komodo 13.3                       :    300 (   92,  202,  6),  64.3 :    +93,    4,  100.0
     Komodo 14                         :    300 (   77,  216,  7),  61.7 :    +98,    5,  100.0

http://www.fastgm.de/10min.html
G/10 mins. + 6 secs. 1-core   Sf 11 +93 Elo vs. Ko'13.3
Complete list: June 3, 2020
#   Engine   Elo   Error   Games   (%)   W   D   L   D(%)   CFS
1   Stockfish 11   3414   6   12300   85.29   8744   3494   62   28.4   72
2     Stockfish 191005   3410   10   3000   75.42   1562   1401   37   46.7   100
3   Stockfish 10   3382   5   22200   84.05   15355   6610   235   29.8   100
4   Stockfish 9   3342   6   10500   77.66   6056   4196   248   40.0   100
5   Komodo 13.3   3321   7   8700   78.70   5268   3158   274   36.3   85
6   Komodo 14   3315   9   3600   68.10   1479   1945   176   54.0   89

http://www.fastgm.de/h2h3600.html
G/60 mins. + 15 secs. 1-core
Head to head statistics:
  1) Stockfish 11                3402 :   3750 (+2118,=1600,-32),  77.8 %
     vs.                               :  games (    +,    =,  -),   (%) :   Diff,   SD, CFS (%)
     Stockfish 10                      :    150 (   20,  119, 11),  53.0 :    +33,    6,  100.0
     Komodo 13.3                       :    150 (   50,  100,  0),  66.7 :    +95,    6,  100.0
     Komodo 14                         :    150 (   43,  103,  4),  63.0 :   +100,    7,  100.0

http://www.fastgm.de/60min.html
G/60 mins. + 15 secs. 1-core  Sf 11 +95 Elo vs. Ko'13.3
Complete list: May 31, 2020  
#   Engine   Elo   Error   Games   (%)   W   D   L   D(%)   CFS
1   Stockfish 11   3402   9   3750   77.81   2118   1600   32   42.7   100
2   Stockfish 10   3369   7   7050   77.76   3987   2990   73   42.4   100
3   Stockfish 9   3328   8   3600   72.58   1725   1776   99   49.3   100
4   Komodo 13.3   3307   9   2700   68.15   1119   1442   139   53.4   74
5   Komodo 14   3303   12   1350   62.11   411   855   84   63.3   53
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