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- - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-01 12:57
Does anyone else get disappearing IDeA projects?

My IDeA projects are literally vanishing with no apparent cause! Has anyone else experienced this?
Parent - - By RSeanOConnell (**) Date 2020-04-01 18:40
Not sure if it is the same thing but, yes.  When I stop IDeA, or even minimax first as suggested by others, the results disappear and the project gets in an endless loop of minimaxing and writing results to the tree.  I have to close Aquarium and restart it to stop this and see the results.  I will then have several instances of the project .aqt file and folder in the Atrees/IDea folder.
Parent - - By pawnslinger (****) Date 2020-04-01 19:14
Do not "Stop" IDeA first.  First hit the yellow star to make the project "Inactive"... do that for ALL active projects (yes, more than 1 might be active).  Wait for any events to finish processing and all is idle.  THEN "Stop" IDeA.  You may minimax before you stop IDeA, but not strictly necessary in my experience.  If you have the cpu power and disc power available, you can minimax while events are being evaluated... I do it on smaller projects all the time (but I do not recommend it... a case of do as I say, not as I do). 

From time to time, I am guilty of exiting Aquarium while a project is still active in IDeA.  Usually this is okay, in my case, because no events were being evaluated.  I have automatic prolongation disabled on most of these projects, so they are often not doing anything, even if active.  But on occasion, I screw up and exit Aquarium with events being actively processed... this does not normally turn out good for me.  Bad ju-ju!!

You do not want to ever close Aquarium or Stop IDeA if processing (even processing you cannot see) is in progress.
Parent - - By RSeanOConnell (**) Date 2020-04-02 23:55
Perhaps I misunderstood or misread the last time you posted this.  But, I have done this a few times now and so far no problems with the endless loop.  However, this does not make sense to me.  First of all I shouldn't have to deactivate a project, minimax, etc manually.  And secondly doesn't clicking the "Stop IDeA" button do all of this??  Otherwise what is the point of having the option to Stop IDeA?  And lastly when just Stopping IDeA I have not had the endless loop problem in the past.  It is still a bug.
Parent - - By pawnslinger (****) Date 2020-04-03 06:54
I think the main point you miss is that multiple projects CAN be active.  Normally they must be deactivated individually.  Then IDeA AS A WHOLE can be stopped.

Actually, as I point out in my previous message above, I sometimes don't deactivate... but just exit.  However, this is a dangerous practice and is NOT to be recommended.

Think in terms of one option being per project, and the other option being per the whole of Aquarium.  If you simply do the Stop without the deactivate, then it unfortunately is out-of-order and not a guaranteed safe method.

I cannot speak for others, but this is the way I see things.  It is especially risky to Stop IDeA (or exit the program) while any internal process is in progress.  If you first deactivate the project and allow the engine to finish open events (if any), then you are giving Aquarium the best chance to finish up ALL housekeeping.  Then once the program has been quiescent, Stopping IDeA is very safe.

As I said, I don't always do it that way, sometimes I get in a hurry and then it is a "crap shoot".  I cannot recommend it.

PS: You do not have to wait for ALL events to process, just those that are being evaluated actively by engines at the time you wish to end your work.
Parent - By RSeanOConnell (**) Date 2020-04-03 18:48
Ok.  I am now doing it your way.
Parent - By sbm (*) Date 2020-05-14 12:22
Absolutely! Doing so and having multiple projects active in IDeA and Stopping AQ almost always compromise something ...trees...project etc.
Parent - - By Dadi Jonsson (Silver) Date 2020-04-01 22:26
I'm using Aquarium 2020 (extensively) and haven't encountered such problems.
Parent - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-10 14:15
I re-installed it on a different drive and it works fine now. Odd

Is there any news about development by the way?
Parent - By OempaS (***) Date 2020-04-02 19:27
Not here...
I use AQ 2020 quite a lot with many remotes etc but I never encounter serious issues lately.
Parent - By RSeanOConnell (**) Date 2020-04-03 18:49
That happened to me in the 2014 version after years of use which is why I finally upgraded to 2020.
Parent - By cma6 (****) Date 2020-04-04 14:54
I occasionally have projects disappear. But more often, a project's name is changed to "IDeA Project", often with nothing in the notation.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2020-04-06 12:51
This happens when your Infinite Analysis.aqt files goes corrupt. Delete it in every session
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-10 14:16

> This happens when your Infinite Analysis.aqt files goes corrupt. Delete it in every session


Yes I think that's what happened.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2020-04-10 14:18
Thats my work around.  Once u see dollar signs in the last of the files these erroirs come. Even if your projects are there in IDeA/Projects folder it wont show in GUI.
Delete IA files asap.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-12 20:46
This is too much!

Has anyone seen this before? I opened Aquarium to be greeted by this: EVERYTHING gone and this weird stuff in its place

Any ideas what to do?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2020-04-12 20:59
Many Times. Try these things if it works. Delete Last Seesion.xml
Also delete Infinite analysis.aqt.
Now open the tree utility manually from installation folder. Run it to find if any other tress are corrupted and remove it manually.

if Still didn't work then copy The IDeA and the projects and the ATrees Folder And reinstall.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-13 07:26
Thanks for your help.

> Delete Last Seesion.xml


Done. Made no difference

> Also delete Infinite analysis.aqt.


Done. Made no difference

> Now open the tree utility manually from installation folder.


Impossible, all buttons non-responsive

> if Still didn't work then copy The IDeA and the projects and the ATrees Folder And reinstall.


Done.
Aquarium works normally now but my old projects aren't there. I've double checked, the .aqt tree files are in place and so is the project file, but in Aquarium itself the project just isn't there.

Unbelievable.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2020-04-13 07:58

>the .aqt tree files are in place and so is the project file, but in Aquarium itself the project just isn't there.


I told u that it happens. So before installing check the trees using tree utility manually.
Create same projects and add same trees and import from the project if possible.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-13 08:21

> So before installing check the trees using tree utility manually.


yeah I did this. It verifies ok and restores ok but won't read the files for some reason.

> Create same projects and add same trees and import from the project if possible.


I tried this too but nothing. I'm happy to upload the project here if anyone wants to see if they can open it but it looks likely it's corrupt somehow.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2020-04-13 08:23
Sir its corrupted. Also The tree check on the Verify Trees tab is buggy. Use the Tree utility.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-13 08:31

> Sir its corrupted. Also The tree check on the Verify Trees tab is buggy. Use the Tree utility.


:eek:
The Verify Trees Tab is also buggy?

Well I ran the External Programs - Tree Utility
and it said my project was fine with 6300 positions whereas in reality it's more like 100K positions so something isn't right. I'm amazed by this program...
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2020-04-13 08:33
yes its buggy. many Times it saId files are ok. the tree utilities one said IA files corrupt. try scanning the whole ATrees folder. The custom installation trees may b corrupt. But since u have reinstalled it may be fine.
Parent - - By ChiefPushesWood (**) Date 2020-04-13 04:04 Edited 2020-04-13 04:11
Hey Carl,
By any chance did you create a manual shortcut on your desktop to open Aquarium? IE. Are you running multiple installs of Aquarium?

If so, that is likely your problem. I've had this happen a number of times under those scenarios. Obviously, if that's the case, try opening your install by the icon in the Aquarium 2020 folder for that install. Hope this helps pal.

PS.. Looking again at your screen shot, I'm thinking this is what's happening or something very similar... at the top of your screenshot, it just says Aquarium and nothing else. That's a tell-tale sign. I'd also check to make sure your install is pointing to the right data folder... It shouldn't just say Aquarium up top.. it should point to somewhere on your computer.

Chief
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-13 07:27

> By any chance did you create a manual shortcut on your desktop to open Aquarium? IE


No I didn't.

> Are you running multiple installs of Aquarium?


No.

Something very wrong here...
Parent - By ChiefPushesWood (**) Date 2020-04-13 13:40
Carl,
Did you try starting Aquarium using the icon inside the Aquarium 2020 folder directly? I know this sounds trivial, but EVERY time I've had this, this has been the issue (or not pointing to the data folder)

When you go inside the folder heirarchy, are the projects there? Meaning, are they actually on your drive but just not showing up in Aquarium?

Chief
Parent - By ChiefPushesWood (**) Date 2020-04-13 13:44
Here is a screenshot of my title bar... Aquarium NEVER just says AQUARIUM like it does on yours. This tells me that this instance of Aquarium is not opening correctly (again, something to do with the shortcut or pointing to the data folder).

Chief

Parent - - By Radost (***) Date 2020-04-13 08:03
Yes, I know this bug. :-( After some months it appears again and again.

I had not found a cause and good solution (lost of IdEA results).

So I archive a copy of all configs, IdEA projects and so one every month and if it happens again, than I replace all files.

It is pity that Aquarium doesn´t get bugfixes since years.
Best
Frank
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-13 08:21

> So I archive a copy of all configs, IdEA projects and so one every month and if it happens again, than I replace all files.


This appears to be the only solution
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2020-04-13 08:24 Upvotes 1
If u delete IA files in every 2 days u wont get this bug.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-13 08:26
thanks, I'll bear this in mind
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2020-04-13 08:28
This bug is frequent who use idea. I always got those and have no clue till date. ONly thing I know is IA files get corrupted the DB will get corrupted and then whole aquarium data.
keep a backup of installation folder
Parent - - By Radost (***) Date 2020-04-13 12:14
So I would loose my IA analysis results in the tree?! Which files do you mean?
Thanks in advance
Frank
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2020-04-14 07:26
IA results are useless in aquarium. The tree result imp as its minimaxed.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-14 07:23

> If u delete IA files in every 2 days u wont get this bug.


to do this would you just delete both IA folders or leave the folders and delete the files inside?
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2020-04-14 07:25
No. Both IA files and The IA folders too in same name.
Parent - By sbm (*) Date 2020-05-14 12:19
This is why I have made a Google account named: AQ_B_a_c_k_u_p_NOW :-) for the sole purpose having google's Backup and Sync running in background and watching every move in the fragile AQ folder :eek: and backing it up.... it is a pity that AQ does not made a backup for projects and epd files too...they are at least as vulnerable as trees are.
Parent - - By dickie (**) Date 2020-04-14 06:48
This is the screen you get when Aquarium is disconnected from its Data folder. Either the Data folder name has been changed or moved to a new location, or the aquarium.dir file has been amended. Easy to solve by editing the aquarium.dir file to point to the correct location and name of the Data folder.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-14 09:04

> Easy to solve by editing the aquarium.dir file to point to the correct location and name of the Data folder.


Good to know, thanks. It does beg the question of why this keeps happening though...
Parent - By ChiefPushesWood (**) Date 2020-04-14 12:48
Haha - I guess it sounded better coming from Dickie. Cool cool.

Chief
Parent - - By ChiefPushesWood (**) Date 2020-04-14 12:51

>It does beg the question of why this keeps happening though...


I gave a couple of reasons why this may have happened... When you installed 2020, did you point it to an old data folder? Any variation of that?

Chief
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-14 18:04

> did you point it to an old data folder?


No, it was am install on a clean machine. I think the software has some bugs and I wonder if it's now abandoned..?
Parent - By ChiefPushesWood (**) Date 2020-04-15 12:33
I have only experienced this with the 2018 version. I upgraded to 2020 about a month ago and have not had any issues so far. I use Aq every single day - all day. Including IDEA.

Chief
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-05-19 06:32

> Easy to solve by editing the aquarium.dir file to point to the correct location and name of the Data folder.


How would you actually do this please?
Parent - By dickie (**) Date 2020-05-19 08:27
Open the file aquarium.dir (found in your installation directory) with a text editor, say notepad, and edit the line beginning DataDir= to point to the directory of your data folder. Then save.
Parent - By sbm (*) Date 2020-05-14 12:11
Yes! well...not quite disappeared but in the list of IDeA Projects (left) it turned into "Idea Project" :-) simple like that. The project itself was in place, aka in the folder where they live...but I wasn't able o reinstate it. It happened when AQ crashed when the mentioned project was active, but it happened a few days ago too, when I wanted to modify the file of the project. I wanted to change the depth of some tasks that I wanted to keep in the project, but they value was way to high wait for (depth=50 in complex situation). I did a simple Find and Replace for this RegEx...(with AQ turned off of course) but when restarted ...the project rendered useless the way described above.
- - By Viktor (**) Date 2020-04-16 10:37
Projects may be lost if the program was incorrectly disabled. For example, because of computer problems. If the running engines are not turned off, then it is fatal for exiting the program.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2020-04-16 20:32

> If the running engines are not turned off, then it is fatal for exiting the program.


I don't think that happened. What I do believe happened is that databases which were created in Chessbase, and then opened in Aquarium were then deleted in Chessbase after both programs were closed. When Aquarium reopened it looked for these databases and couldn't find them. And it crashed.
I just didn't expect it to (somehow) take the IDeA projects with it.

That may not be the real cause, but that's the only thing I can think of.

By the way are you still actively involved?
Parent - By Viktor (**) Date 2020-04-17 08:34
No, I'm not Viktor Zakharov. I am a master of sports in correspondence chess with a lot of experience and I have a Little more than 2400. Unfortunately, Zakharov is not currently engaged in the Aquarium.
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