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- - By MrKris (***) Date 2020-03-19 03:01
Re: 'Komodo - is it worth it.'
http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73375

     title this post: The Raven , by Edgar Allan Poe
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48860/the-raven


When Komodo 14 comes out I will probably take the Raven's advice, 13.3 is still behind Sf 9 CCRL 1 & 4 cpu for example:
CCRL 40/15 complete list Mar 14, 2020  https://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/cgi/engine_details.cgi?print=Details&each_game=1&eng=Komodo%2013.3%2064-bit#Komodo_13_3_64-bit
Selected:
1  Stockfish 11 64-bit 4CPU  3495  +23  −22  72.6%  −143.3  51.1%  636
...
2  Lc0 0.22.0 T40B.4-160 GTX1050  3464  +21  −21  62.1%  −76.4  63.9%  642  49.3%
   Stockfish 10 64-bit 4CPU  3464  +16  −16  72.0%  −145.5  52.0%  1307
...
   Stockfish 9 64-bit 4CPU  3432  +15  −15  72.3%  −153.6  50.5%  1423  56.0%
   Stockfish 11 64-bit  3430  +20  −19  73.3%  −150.8  49.0%  867  69.3%
3  Komodo 13.3 64-bit 4CPU  3420  +28  −28  60.9%  −64.5  61.6%  362
...
4  Houdini 6 64-bit 4CPU  3399  +12  −12  61.0%  −71.1  61.3%  2070
...

   ShashChess 11.0 64-bit  3394  +40  −39  66.5%  −102.9  61.5%  182
...
5  ...
   Stockfish 9 64-bit  3367  +12  −12  71.4%  −149.7  49.0%  2565 
...
   Komodo 13.3 64-bit  3358  +21  −21  59.8%  −60.3  63.2%  646

Fast Games 16c vs 2070, 60+.6  http://www.fastgm.de/h2h16-60.html
6) Stockfish 11      3417 : 3750 (+758,=2579,-413),  54.6% {vs Lc0/Fat 49% to 59% Elo  -29 to +54}
  21) Komodo 13.2.5  3307 : 4250 (+495,=2367,-1388), 39.5% {vs Lc0/Fat 30% to 44% Elo -138 to -56}

Sf11 | K13.2.5 vs.                 :  games (   +,    =,   -),   (%) :   Diff,   SD, CFS (%)
    Lc0k 0.23.2 256x20-T40-1541    :    250 (  42,  173,  35),  51.4 :    -29,    6,    0.0
                                        250 (  15,  120,  115), 30.0 :   -138,    6,    0.0

    Lc0 0.22.0 T40B.4-160          :    250 (  40,  167,  43),  49.4 :     -3,    6,   28.4
                                        250 (  21,  126,  103), 33.6 :   -113,    6,    0.0

    Lc0 0.22.0 42850               :    250 (  45,  170,  35),  52.0 :     -2,    6,   34.7
                                        250 (  18,  145,  87),  36.2 :   -112,    6,    0.0

    Lc0k 0.23.2 62172              :    250 (  24,  194,  32),  48.4 :    +15,    6,   99.2
                                        250 (  18,  144,  88),  36.0 :    -95,    6,    0.0

    Lc0 LS-LS12.2                  :    250 (  31,  185,  34),  49.4 :    +15,    6,   99.4
                                        250 (  22,  132,  96),  35.2 :    -94,    6,    0.0

    Lc0 0.22.0 J13B.2-188          :    250 (  39,  182,  29),  52.0 :    +17,    6,   99.9
                                        250 (  30,  131,  89),  38.2 :    -92,    6,    0.0

    Lc0 LS-LS12.1                  :    250 (  37,  185,  28),  51.8 :    +22,    6,  100.0
                                        250 (  22,  162,  66),  41.2 :    -87,    6,    0.0

    Lc0k 0.23.2 384x30-T40-2036    :    250 (  40,  188,  22),  53.6 :    +24,    6,  100.0
                                        250 (  26,  131,  93),  36.6 :    -85,    6,    0.0

    Fat Fritz 1.0                  :    250 (  63,  169,  18),  59.0 :    +36,    6,  100.0
                                        250 (  30,  142,  78),  40.4 :    -74,    6,    0.0

    Lc0 0.22.0 32930               :    250 (  62,  156,  32),  56.0 :    +43,    6,  100.0
                                        250 (  27,  148,  75),  40.4 :    -66,    6,    0.0

    Lc0 0.22.0 LS12 preview        :    250 (  55,  168,  27),  55.6 :    +44,    6,  100.0
                                        250 (  39,  136,  75),  42.8 :    -66,    6,    0.0

    Lc0 0.23.2 61950               :    250 (  40,  186,  24),  53.2 :    +48,    6,  100.0
                                        250 (  31,  137,  82),  39.8 :    -61,    6,    0.0

    Lc0 0.22.0 384x30-T40-1573     :    250 (  78,  141,  31),  59.4 :    +54,    6,  100.0
                                        250 (  33,  150,  67),  43.2 :    -56,    6,    0.0
_ _ _ _ _ _
    Lc0 0.22.0 11260               :    250 (  65,  173,  12),  60.6 :    +82,    6,  100.0
                                        250 (  40,  144,  66),  44.8 :    -27,    6,    0.0

    Scorpio 3.07 NN-ens-net-20x256 :    250 (  97,  142,  11),  67.2 :   +141,    6,  100.0
                                        250 (  68,  142,  40),  55.6 :    +31,    6,  100.0

60+.06 1-core  http://www.fastgm.de/60-0.60.html
#   Engine   Elo   Error   Games   (%)   W   D   L   D(%)   CFS
1   Stockfish 11 64   3487   8   25000   94.39   22364   2465   171   9.9   100
2   asmFish 190518 x64   3452   6   34250   93.04   29887   3957   406   11.6   94
3   Stockfish 10 64   3445   6   39750   93.17   34781   4512   457   11.4   98
4   SugaR-NN 140919 64 POPCNT   3436   6   31500   92.61   27122   4100   278   13.0   100
5   Stockfish 9 64   3409   7   27000   92.79   23454   3199   347   11.8   100
6   asmFish 170628 x64   3378   8   17250   92.33   14790   2273   187   13.2   50
7   asmFish 171004 x64   3378   5   42250   91.28   35429   6273   548   14.8   100
8   Houdini 6 x64   3361   4   58750   89.49   47921   9310   1519   15.8   72
9   Komodo 13.3 64-bit   3359   6   22750   90.15   18854   3311   585   14.6   77
10   Komodo 13.2 64-bit   3356   6   28750   90.23   23917   4048   785   14.1   72
11   Komodo 13.1 64-bit   3353   7   23000   90.40   19181   3220   599   14.0   58
12   asmFish 161212 x64   3352   7   20000   91.58   16918   2794   288   14.0   99
13   Komodo 13.01 64-bit   3339   6   23000   90.02   19021   3368   611   14.6   53
14   asmFish 8 x64   3339   8   15250   90.92   12671   2390   189   15.7   74
15   Stockfish 8 64   3336   5   32000   89.43   25851   5536   613   17.3   61
16   Komodo 12.3 64-bit   3334   7   22500   90.36   18624   3415   461   15.2   63
17   Komodo 11.2 64-bit   3333   7   23750   90.83   20000   3145   605   13.2   57
18   Komodo 11.3.1 64-bit   3332   8   17750   91.71   15206   2145   399   12.1   78
19   Komodo 12 64-bit   3328   7   20500   90.76   17120   2972   408   14.5   54
20   Komodo 12.2 64-bit   3327   7   18500   89.02   14979   2981   540   16.1   90
21   Komodo 12.1.1 64-bit   3321   7   18000   90.10   14859   2718   423   15.1   53
22   Houdini 5 x64   3320   6   24750   89.13   20001   4117   632   16.6   100
23   Komodo 11.01 64-bit   3304   8   15500   90.15   12887   2171   442   14.0   71
...
24   Komodo 10.4 64-bit   3300   8   15000   90.35   12480   2145   375   14.3   82
25   asmFish 160704 x64   3296   6   23500   87.29   18102   4822   576   20.5   100
26   Komodo 10.3 64-bit   3280   8   14500   88.96   11797   2204   499   15.2   64
27   Komodo 10.2 64-bit   3279   6   17000   86.40   13189   2999   812   17.6   95
28   Stockfish 160514 64   3271   5   23750   86.22   17932   5090   728   21.4   100
29   Komodo 10.1 64-bit   3261   6   22000   85.95   16793   4233   974   19.2   65
30   SugaR 2.5 64   3259   5   29500   83.89   21290   6913   1297   23.4   100
31   Stockfish 7 64   3248   6   22000   84.42   16063   5017   920   22.8   55
32   SugaR PrO v1.4 64   3247   5   22000   84.37   16136   4852   1012   22.1   77
33   Komodo 10 64-bit   3244   5   21250   84.32   15689   4458   1103   21.0   100
34   Komodo 9.42 64-bit   3233   6   21500   83.21   15579   4621   1300   21.5   82
35   Komodo 13.3 64-bit MCTS   3229   6   22500   83.94   16691   4393   1416   19.5   62
36   Ethereal 12.00 (POPCNT)   3228   6   22000   84.09   16362   4274   1364   19.4   86
Parent - - By user923005 (****) Date 2020-03-19 03:31
Not Poe's best work. My favorite (with a nod to the Princess Bride reference as well):
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/52829/a-dream-within-a-dream

Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
Parent - By MrKris (***) Date 2020-03-20 06:03
Thanks.

- I thought I would present the other side to the TalkChess post only because Komodo is commercial so that people better consider their needs, taste and budget when deciding to buy or not.

- Personally, I do not want to fund their going to exotic locations around the globe for their I.C.G.A. "World" Championships.
Always vs. weak opposition (the Jonny cluster experiment has no known strength/relevence) no Lc0, no Stockfish, no Houdini etc., with a huge machine:
2019 Maccau, China, "W"CCC
Komodo: 8 x Intel (R) Xeon(R) Platinum 8168 CPU @ 2.7 GHz, 128 cores used
https://icga.org/?page_id=2857
It always looks like great fun for the participants. Though the titles are meaningless they are used on Komodo's homepage as if not.

- It is sad in a way: both Larry Kaufman and Mark Lefler go back to the early days of chess engines.
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