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- - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-02 22:22
Enjoy! (not really... :grin:)

1. d4 *

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2020-02-02 22:27
Okay, so here's something different... what about a French? Do you think you can bust my French? Are you brave enough to see all your hopes and dreams of beating me fade away on it or will you ignore the possibility and have me go c4 Nf6?

I'm really curious, so I'm willing to pay the price of admission:

1. d4 e6

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Parent - - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-02 22:35

> 1. d4 e6


Oh :cry:, you upcoming shark food are already a big question here...
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2020-02-02 22:49
Here's my last comment about the French, after the Opening Revolution of 2019 1...e6! was proven to be better than 1...d5!?

I hope you know the lines, everything before some March 2019 has been obsoleted, let's see what you got :evil:
Parent - - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-02 23:46
1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 *

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2020-02-03 11:01
I'm going to make fun of how you chickened out of the French in the following years.

And, what a shame, that was an once in a lifetime chance!

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d5

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Parent - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-03 11:42

> I'm going to make fun of how you chickened out of the French in the following years.


French is obviously not the plan for playing 1. d4, and i was already pre-decided for the Queens Pawnusov... :grin:

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bf4 *

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Parent - - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-03 22:02
Already nervous? :grin:

Regarding French opening: I always admired ppipper's play, Black always gets nice queenside expansion while White's kingside attack strandes...
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2020-02-04 02:54

> Already nervous? :grin:


Nervous, why? You didn't put attention to the psychedelic chessmap I showed you the other day, did you? Well, here's it again but with ECO codes highlighted.

Now, let me direct you to the top-right part of the image, try to find the box labeled "D02" as if she was Carmen Sandiego. Got it? Well, that's in proportion to how much I have these variations analyzed! And I mentioned how abnormally big that box looked to me. I had no idea you would come back, or play this, but it seems I've been preparing for this game for over a decade!

> Regarding French opening: I always admired ppipper's play


Don't remind me, he got me into a French position and beat me with ease on it. And then he got me into the same position, but with reversed colors, and beat me from the other side. And there's no bug to blame in either. Does the pain ever go away?

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bf4 Nf6
Parent - - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-04 15:27

> Nervous, why? You didn't put attention to the psychedelic chessmap I showed you the other day, did you? Well, here's it again but with ECO codes highlighted.


Sadly C24 is still pretty small and hard to find... for ease of it you should put some skull+crossbones there. :razz:

Uly, you could also contact Paola and ask whether you could also add a little chapter to her new book revision.



> And I mentioned how abnormally big that box looked to me. I had no idea you would come back, or play this, but it seems I've been preparing for this game for over a decade!


:smile: That's the right spirit!

> Don't remind me, he got me into a French position and beat me with ease on it.


Uly, with (y)our manual or special analysis approach on better tablecalculators we are the last standing warriors in corr-chess (when we exclude those brave playing without engines at all)... when we're motivated with a little available time and get the right opponents and openings, we still can excel... but playing the French or KID vs. those powerful setup Aquarium-boxes or 100h/move IA-guys, and that all in time trouble like you experienced that time, is obviously very difficult. In the lovely Sicilian with José i also was way ahead in knowing the result, and i judged just basically just by eyes - no need for 6 bug-free engines in endgames. :lol:

> Does the pain ever go away?


I missed twothree big chances in my life... sadly no.

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bf4 Nf6 4. e3 *

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2020-02-06 20:26

> Sadly C24 is still pretty small and hard to find...


Is it? It's on this box, isn't it?



Let me help you find it...

ENHANCE!



It's in... um, it's scattered around...

But your game against the bug transposed to 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bc4 (Bc4 isn't even on the third move!) so it's somewhere in the 2...exd4 box (at the top-right corner) that has replies to 2...exd4 less popular than 3.Qxd4 and 3.c3.

> for ease of it you should put some skull+crossbones there. :razz:


What for? So a player playing as black avoids it because a black player trying to win needs to find an improvement because black's best line is killed by Qf3 somewhere on there? Otherwise, 2.Bc4 or 2.d4 for that matter should have Jolly Roger himself telling white to avoid such stupid white moves! :yell:

>Uly, you could also contact Paola and ask whether you could also add a little chapter to her new book revision.


No, you do that, since it was you who played and beat the bug, I just relayed its moves... :grin:

>but playing the French or KID vs. those powerful setup Aquarium-boxes or 100h/move IA-guys, and that all in time trouble like you experienced that time, is obviously very difficult.


*Was* very difficult. Nowadays I have to play 1.g4 for someone to have a chance of defeating me...

>I missed twothree big chances in my life... sadly no.


At least there's no more pain after figuring out without a bug there wouldn't have been a loss :lol:

My move has been ready for a long while, it's just that zooming into the map takes so long...

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bf4 Nf6 4. e3 c5

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Parent - - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-06 21:55
PONDER HIT!

!!

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bf4 Nf6 4. e3 c5 5. Nbd2 *

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2020-02-07 01:04
You lost that flashy PONDER HIT animated picture you used to post, didn't you?

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bf4 Nf6 4. e3 c5 5. Nbd2 Nc6

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Parent - - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-07 01:41

> [Mandelbrot]


Fascinating topic, nice to see you have interest and experience in/with it. :smile:

> You lost that flashy PONDER HIT animated picture you used to post, didn't you?


That free-hosting suckers deleted it Uly, yet i (thankfully!) have a local copy of the whole Urusov on harddisk with 78 backups... with the p0rn-collection it will be bequeathed for the next 5 (male-)generations to come! Just for you i will (re-)upload it when intensity rises. :wink:

Please take that DOUBLE PONDER HIT!

!!

!!

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bf4 Nf6 4. e3 c5 5. Nbd2 Nc6 6. c3 *

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2020-02-07 07:52 Edited 2020-02-07 08:33

> Fascinating topic, nice to see you have interest and experience in/with it. :smile:


Yeah, I've done extensive analysis of the Mandelbrot Set with Ultra Fractal and some free software. Here's a palette I made on Fractal Explorer:




> with the p0rn-collection it will be bequeathed


I have gone and deleted all the porn links I had. I think it has worked for the better.

> 6. c3


Ooh... what is that? This looks familiar...

Oh yeah! After 6...Nh5 I'd transpose back to the last game I've lost in my life (other than 1.g4)...

Have you been spying on me? (I thought you were gone, but you've been reading every single post I made on Talkchess??)

Or is this pure coincidence???

Anyway, things get interesting, as that guy that beat me after 6...Nh5!? is the strongest opponent I've faced in my life, which is a title you used to hold. So, if you managed to defeat the move I'm making, you'd not only be '20-mating me, but definitively recovering that title, since you'd be beating a much superior 6th move choice. Do you have what it takes?!

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bf4 Nf6 4. e3 c5 5. Nbd2 Nc6 6. c3 Bd6

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Parent - - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-07 11:37

> Yeah, I've done extensive analysis of the Mandelbrot Set with Ultra Fractal and some free software.


You have to code it yourself Uly, this was one of my 1024bytes entries for a famous computer paper (as pupil) some decades back - handoptimized 100% x86-assembler.

With that fancy tools available these days, i expect more something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M79gBnN_XSE


> I have gone and deleted all the porn links I had. I think it has worked for the better.


Good decision. Links are dangerous anyways, when you see something which attracts the mind you have to save it for good as it will be gone sooner or later.

> I thought you were gone, but you've been reading every single post I made on Talkchess??


You think there is a human being able to perform this in a sober state of mind? :grin:

> Oh yeah! After 6...Nh5 I'd transpose back


I hope you didn't edit it out here after realizing... :evil:

> So, if you managed to defeat the move I'm making


We both know that an infinite-timecontrol corr-chess game in '20 basically just knows one result... so all i can do is learning from recent bad experiences with you, chosing a non-chickenout version for Uly '20 and maybe squeezing you enough to stalemate you or at least end a pawn/piece up, which i would consider still a victory. :lol: Actually that would have been my Draw Odds suggestion (stalemate and more pieces also win..., maybe things like no castle or opposite castle...), maybe they bring it in for FIDE/ICCF someday.

Please enjoy this TRIPPLE-POND(ER)ING... can i make it till move 20 without any resources at all?

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bf4 Nf6 4. e3 c5 5. Nbd2 Nc6 6. c3 Bd6 7. Bg3 *

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2020-02-08 02:43 Edited 2020-02-08 02:57

> With that fancy tools available these days, i expect more something like this:


But the beauty of the set isn't about the set, which is all the black, boring part. It's about the surrounding parts and how they're colored differently as they escape. It doesn't make sense to adorn the set with chess and leave the black part untouched, you'd fill the black part with chess instead, like this:



Just don't make me find C24 on that! :yell:

> Links are dangerous anyways, when you see something which attracts the mind you have to save it for good as it will be gone sooner or later.


LOL, so you have backups of your collection everywhere because imagine the dangers if you couldn't watch one of those videos you wanted to watch anymore! :lol:

>I hope you didn't edit it out here after realizing... :evil:


Nah, Nh5 isn't even top 2 anymore. But aren't you envious! Had you played this position back in 2017 I'd have played Nh5 and there was this combination of moves that'd have defeated me! Imagine how winning a game against me would feel like!

>We both know that an infinite-timecontrol corr-chess game in '20 basically just knows one result...


Back in 2014 you required a bug to beat me, I guess nothing has changed?

>can i make it till move 20 without any resources at all?


I hope you've analyzed these variations recently, getting till move 20 without any resources and noticing you're already losing is no feat :twisted:

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bf4 Nf6 4. e3 c5 5. Nbd2 Nc6 6. c3 Bd6 7. Bg3 O-O

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Parent - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-08 03:17
Will answer the talk-part tomorrow, as i'm now very sleepy...

QUADponder hit! :grin:

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bf4 Nf6 4. e3 c5 5. Nbd2 Nc6 6. c3 Bd6 7. Bg3 O-O
8. Bd3 *

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Parent - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-08 14:40

> But the beauty of the set isn't about the set, which is all the black, boring part.


You're absolutely right. Sadly i haven't a Turbo Pascal compiler installed here, else i would grab some very old sources and film it as animated gif.
It looked pretty similar to that one, and at that time i was proud having mixed x87-(co-processor-)code with x86 fixed point arithmetic (which was less precise but much faster). :smile:



> Just don't make me find C24 on that! :yell:


It is the big black part you just got rid off... :yell:

> LOL, so you have backups of your collection everywhere because imagine the dangers if you couldn't watch one of those videos you wanted to watch anymore! :lol:


Absolutely! Often, while weightlifting, or cycling or even daily life, i imagine one scene which creates immense energy and motivation, and is therefore used as a gratification (a good corr-chess position to analyze basically acts the same way). As i like rare&real amateur "documentations", i can already tell you out of experience that its a further pain to refind them over the net again (some i haven't till today, analyzing a 0.00 is also a pain btw. :yell:)! Don't LOL Uly, profit from my experience and change your life to the better! :grin:

    >I hope you didn't edit it out here after realizing... :evil:

> But aren't you envious!


I'm already used that people play best and with all tricks against me. Om has lost 4 games in the Makagonov - some very poorly played btw. :grin:, just to lure out a free Houdini from stonehenge (and i guess some access to his servers) and to find a drawish combination which nearly shattered my love to caissa.

> Back in 2014 you required a bug to beat me, I guess nothing has changed?


The likelyhood that i will throw out a certain position into your buggy garden increases steadily!
Regarding the later: I remember you visited your young [female] cousins that time, are they now in the right age, with the right arguments? :grin:

> I hope you've analyzed these variations recently, getting till move 20 without any resources and noticing you're already losing is no feat :twisted:


All from 2013 to be exactly.
Parent - - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-07 00:37

> ENHANCE!


The Mandelbrot of chess-openings... not (too) bad Uly.

> But your game against the bug


Reading all your tr... eh talk i -internally- called you already a lot names, but not that little insect! :surprised:

> without a bug there wouldn't have been a loss :lol:


Oh yes, you were reminded that your position is bad somewhere in summer '14, just to realize -too lazy to check before that- in Dec '14 that the warnings were just reality. Funnily, with the conditional you implied in your move 53 you proved again that you (again!) had the wrong continuation (and yes, your "conditional" really draws :smile:). Maybe you overwork your little bug-story...

> My move has been ready for a long while, it's just that zooming into the map takes so long...


Your chess-knees are already shivering... this time i will get you - again. :smile:
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2020-02-07 01:12

> The Mandelbrot of chess-openings... not (too) bad Uly.


:smile: I invented a game where someone would hide in a deep part of the Mandelbrot set, and the other would try and split the set asking Yes/No questions, and the person hiding would win if after the 20th question they weren't found. Turns out I underestimated infinity and after 20 questions pretty much the entire set remains! :yell:

> Maybe you overwork your little bug-story...


Hold on, hold on, I'm starting to suspect you actually don't believe me? Do I have to send you the engine and learning file so you see the bug for yourself or something?
- - By witchesbutt (**) Date 2020-02-07 19:12
:cool:
:lol:
:neutral:



Will respond to both of you soon - family emergency and a return trip on Sunday.
Keep watching prawn Antares - I do - the dingus between my legs retired itself and refuses to budge .. :yell::yell::yell:
Might as well watch others .. :red::sad:

Poor Uly - lost a screw.
Parent - - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-08 03:18
Uly, do you know this crazy bird?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2020-02-08 03:22
No, I only know crazy oysters.
Parent - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-08 14:07
I always told you be careful with the talkchess guys... next time bring over just always nice and friendly, but not too strongly playing, ones!
- - By witchesbutt (**) Date 2020-02-08 13:41
:confused::cool:

You turkeys have hijacked threads so I have no idea where to post this stuff .. the two games in which Be2 appeared. My opponent sprung it on me or maybe he saw my game as White and decided to spring it on me. Uly - I'm sure there are games at ICCF where Be2 was played. I'll check the ICCF database tomorrow afternoon after my trip and hopefully respond to you chickens as well .. :neutral::lol:

My youngest daughter is in hospital with a serious condition - I have a trip there tomorrow (Sunday) to visit and bring my wife home. Its a long drive for an old guy like me - takes a while to recover.

:evil:

[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "me"]
[Black "yy"]
[Result "*"]

1. e4 c5 2. Be2 d6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. O-O Bg4 6. Re1 a6 7. h3 Bd7 *

[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "xx"]
[Black "me"]
[Result "*"]

1. e4 c5 2. Be2 Nc6 3. f4 d5 4. d3 b6 5. Nf3 e6 6. O-O Be7 7. Qe1 Nh6 8. c3 O-O
9. Na3 f6 10. Bd2 Nf7 *
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2020-02-08 13:49
I send my best wishes to your youngest daughter.

> I'm sure there are games at ICCF where Be2 was played.


I have 74 games, 28 white wins, 28 draws and 18 black wins. Oldest from 2005, most recent from May 20 2019, which was played also by the highest rated player, Matjaz Pirs, with an ELO of 2487 (but it was a draw).
Parent - - By witchesbutt (**) Date 2020-02-08 14:00
Thank you Uly - have messaged her with your best wishes - she thanks you too.

Matjaz Pirs loves to play the Dutch - when he opened with d4 I played f5 - result draw.
He's a GM.

I saved this a few weeks ago .. https://thechessworld.com/articles/openings/new-trends-in-the-sicilian-dare-to-try-2be2/
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2020-02-08 17:23

> Matjaz Pirs loves to play the Dutch - when he opened with d4 I played f5 - result draw.


Yeah, that's why I don't play as white against you anymore, it'd be just a succession of Dutch draws!

> I saved this a few weeks ago


Will check it later after our game, to not spoil any ideas you might use :smile:
Parent - - By Antares (****) Date 2020-02-08 14:04

> My youngest daughter is in hospital with a serious condition


:confused: Max, my best wishes for your family, all will be well soon (as much as life grants it).
Parent - By witchesbutt (**) Date 2020-02-08 14:18
:cool:

Thank you Antares - she thanks you too !
I'll be in a better frame of mind after visiting her tomorrow so .. Uly/Antares .. talk later and I thank you turkeys.
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