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- - By cma6 (****) Date 2020-01-08 02:22
I completely unininstalled Aqr 2020. The major reason was that it was hanging, including hanging Windows 10, requiring a shutdown.
The thread "Setting up Aquarium 2020" lists other problems that I and others have encountered with it, e.g.,
  cannot move dividers between panes in Database and IDeA; when running Infinite in IDeA, no "f" task appears; and others.
I hope that Chess OK will debug at least the major problems and provide a version at least as usable as Aqr 2018 and Aqr 2019.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2020-01-08 04:15
Then I will not install.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2020-01-08 04:16
The most stable so far was the 2017 one.
Parent - By pawnslinger (****) Date 2020-01-08 04:22
My choice too.  Sticking with it.
- - By OempaS (***) Date 2020-01-08 12:00
I don't understand this...
I installed AQ 2020 without any problems at all.
Copied all running games/engine settings (including 32 remotes)/projects and so on.
I have latest W10 (keep it updated at all times) with lots of memory and 2 CPU Xeons.
Using S10, H6 and K13 plus a number of others.

It works fine for me, no issues whatsoever. I find it a remarkable and very powerful program.
Recently got a first IM norm on ICCF using Aquarium..
Parent - - By ChiefPushesWood (**) Date 2020-01-08 15:05

>> Recently got a first IM norm on ICCF using Aquarium..


Congrats! Quite the accomplishment!

CPW
Parent - - By Ghengis-Kann (***) Date 2020-01-08 17:07
I have also installed AQ2020 with no problems at all.
it has been rock solid so far.

I did a clean install to a new folder and have not as yet imported anything since I am essentially rebuilding my repertoire from scratch.

This is on Windows 7 X64 pro.

Also, Hi CPW!
I thought you sold all your computers...
Parent - - By mattchess (**) Date 2020-01-08 18:21
My AQ2020 has been working very well  for analysis.   I was able to copy all my configuration, trees, etc over and just pick up where I had left off.

However, I have had an issue with Hugebase that seems to be corrupt and gives errors when I try to open it - but I think that is an issue with my copy of Hugebase because other databases appear to open fine in Aquarium.

I've not yet done any real troubleshooting for that as I use chessbase as my database (and occasionally chess assistant for a few unique features) and copy games from there into Sandbox/Idea and have alternative databases to Hugebase.

But I would be curious if others have had any issues with the Hugebase file that you download with AQ2020?
Parent - - By Ghengis-Kann (***) Date 2020-01-08 18:44
I bought the download copy and Hugebase did not come with it, but Chessok showed me where I could download it.
Just did that last night and haven't tried it yet.

I also bought Chessbase and am waiting for it to come in the mail.

Maybe going a little off topic here but have some questions for Mattchess or anyone else with experience in combining databases (Pawnslinger?)

I like to create databases and aqt trees where both players are above a certain level, usually 2200+, 2400+, and 2600+.
I tried combining Hugebase and Mega Database for this purpose using Chess Assistant 16 and it was a complete disaster where it froze up every time I tried to do anything.

The new plan is to select the above subsets from Hugebase, save them as pgn databases, import them into Chessbase, remove all the blitz games, combine them with the same subsets from Mega Database and the New in Chess Database, remove duplicates, export as pgn, import into Aquarium, and generate aqt trees.

The point of having the databases in bot pgn and aqt format is that I can search for games in the pgn databases, but they need to be in aqt format in order for me to add them to my tree configurations.

Will this work?
Any advice or potential problems?
Parent - By mattchess (**) Date 2020-01-08 20:26
Mega Database and Hugebase are largely redundant.  Hugebase and Mega Database would contain the same games for the most part so I don't think it would be worth the effort of combining and then trying to scrub redundant games - which could become difficult if player naming conventions are not the same. 

If you are getting chessbase and mega database then I would do the following when you get it:

1. After installing chessbase, open megadatabase and allow it to create a search booster
2. Open mega database and then use "filter list" and click advanced to bring up the filter options
3. From there you can set the ELO rating ranges and also the minimum and maximum # of moves.  You can also use the "good games" flag or combine those with the good games flag.  Good games will filter for games in which at least one player has an Elo rating above 2350 or one player had an IM or GM title. This function excludes blitz, rapid and simultaneous games. It also excludes games with less than seven moves and drawn games with less than 20 moves.
4. Once the filter completes, right click on one of the listed games and "select all"
5. Right click in that window again now that the games are selected and use "output" and "selection to text file" to then export the resulting filtered games to a PGN file
6. Also of interest, right click in that window again and select "selection to book" and chessbase will make a ctg tree file from the game list (remember to use file---->save as when it finishes to save it someplace)

To combine databases in chessbase is pretty easy as well.  Once you have loaded two databases in chessbase, to combine them you can either (1) select multiple games in one, do a ctrl-C (copy) and then (2) open the other database and do ctrl-v (paste).  Or you if you want all games from database 1 to be copied to database 2 you can simply drag database 1's icon onto database 2's icon in the file explorer view in chessbase.  If you want to merge them into a third database just create a third new database and drag the other two into it the same way.  There may be easier/faster ways but that is how I do it.
Parent - - By cma6 (****) Date 2020-01-09 00:49
Oempa and Ghengis:
What about the absence of infinite task ("f") in a running IDeA? How does that work for you in Aqr 2020?
Parent - - By dickie (**) Date 2020-01-09 10:10
I have not yet bought Aq2020 myself but I understand from a friend that it is identical to Aq2019 apart from a tiny change to the size of the aquarium.exe file. That suggests that there may be an odd bug fix, but no change in functionality.  The infinite task ("f") is present in a running IDeA in Aq2020 and works just the same as in previous versions.
Parent - By cma6 (****) Date 2020-01-09 13:40 Edited 2020-01-10 16:55
Dickie,
   Thanks for the input. I received an unsolicited email from ChessOK with another link to download Aqr2020. I will try it to see if I have any better luck with this installation. However, I suspect that we need a new build to the product, e.g., my Aqr 2018 is Build 100. I was surprised to find that my (since uninstalled) Aqr 2020 was only Build 101.

  I reinstalled Aqr 2020 and had same problem as in original install: the dividers between panes in IDeA cannot be moved. So $41 down the drain, at least until we see Build 102 to fix the many glitches in Aqr 2020 (Build 101).
Parent - By ChiefPushesWood (**) Date 2020-01-09 15:03

>>Also, Hi CPW!
>>I thought you sold all your computers...


Hey there, GK. No, I sold my main computer. I kept my older one so I could still play CC. While I do miss that computer, I've proven to myself that, within reason (my machine is still an 8 core - so not junk), it just doesn't matter. Time, patience and technique rule the day.

CPW
Parent - - By cma6 (****) Date 2020-01-08 18:32
Hi Oempa:
  This is the inconsistency of buggy programs. It will work fine on one system and hardly work at all on another identical system. I too have Win 10 updated; 2 X Xeon CPU.
Parent - By OempaS (***) Date 2020-01-23 18:46 Upvotes 2

> inconsistency of buggy programs


May be so, but I use AQ 2020 extensively and rarely encounter problems. Same for previous ones 2019..2018.
Whenever I change default settings I only change one at a time and see how it works out before changing another.
Run one project at a time, to avoid mixing hash tables. Use at least 1Gb RAM per IDeA engine thread, never use more than 50% of total RAM. Separate directories for each tree. For specific infinite analyses I allocate more RAM for hash per each engine. One thread per physical core.
I do not delete the IA tree in IDeA but rather start a new one as soon as the current one grows too large. I the use them as reference in projects (what a waste to delete them... so much valuable information!). Two remote PC’s solely for AQ, 32 engines on LAN.
Backup often, even during sessions I stop / back up / restart. (Just a precaution in case of power failure). Compress trees and verify them regularly.
I avoid using the main PC for other programs during AQ sessions.

I noticed that a number of new users on this forum often encounter problems, and then start blaming the program. (I recognize some of the ‘problems’ because I got them too when I first started with AQ).
May that is not due to AQ being ‘buggy’ but rather to deviating to much from the defaults or improper configuration of the system. One should really give the system sufficient time to complete the running tasks but also enough time to in the background update the trees. I have the impression that some users simply have their expectations set too high. It still needs human chess knowledge to win a game... After all the “I” in IDeA stands for “Interactive”.
I studied the items by Dadi and buffo’s on this forum. Still re-read them at times.
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