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- - By user923005 (****) Date 2019-12-29 05:38 Upvotes 2
I got 104 million nps on Ipman's bench three times in a row with my 3970x.
Parent - By dorszcz (**) Date 2019-12-29 10:58
Congratulations!
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2019-12-29 18:17
Dann,
Congrats! But what is that pic showing? Besides a glimpse of your boots and view of Windows desktop?
Parent - - By user923005 (****) Date 2019-12-30 00:37
Scroll right and down
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2019-12-30 09:16
Ah! We're looking at the Computer case. That's a nicely designed case, and of course what went into it -3970x! :grin:
I wish you all the best luck with this new system. What kind of cooling are you using? I would imagine the cpu gets hot rather fast when it is put through its paces.
Parent - - By user923005 (****) Date 2019-12-30 18:26
I have a 360mm water cooler for the CPU.
The GPUs only have fans, so I guess it will be noisy when I analyze using the GPUs.
With the CPUs going at full tilt, the thing is whisper quiet.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2019-12-30 20:50 Edited 2019-12-30 21:08
I am given to understand that the cpu idles at about 70c?

What mobo did you go with? This is all useful info! 

How much wattage does the 3970x.pull full tilt? What psu did you go with?

Is that 360mm a custom setup or a kit setup?

Perhaps it is still too early to determine how stable your system build is at present- or you may not need to make any changes!
But if you care to share what you have done thus far and perhaps what changes you would think would benefit the overall build as time goes on…!

I know anyone looking to start a build would find any info you could give them very useful! A 32 core build is nothing to sneeze at! :eek::cool:

I'd have to make sure my Heap allowance was appended to my yearly NYSEG bill before I could consider booting that thing up! :grin:

Actually, winters would be prime -just open the windows on the 11th floor - wear my  Patagonia Down Jacket and pants -put the dogs winter coat on her - boot up the computer! :wink:
Summer! Put on the Patagonia Down Jacket and pants- put the dogs winter coat on her and crank up the air-conditioner! :cool: Then boot up the 32 core computer! :grin:
Parent - - By user923005 (****) Date 2019-12-30 21:18

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Parent - - By user923005 (****) Date 2019-12-30 21:31
I also have some additional things I have not installed yet.
I bought the 2 TB Aorus m.2 PCIe 4.0 SSD
I have a bunch of SATA SSDs, including 2 that are 4 TB in size.

I always buy a power supply that is too big.  That way, you never worry about overloading it, and it really only uses the energy that it draws.
At some point, I will attach 200 TB or so of Direct Attached Storage.
I think it is possible to upgrade to 256 GB of RAM.  I may do that at some point.

It's running analysis right now using the latest Komodo and Stockfish.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2019-12-30 22:59
Hi Dann,
Thanks for the run down on your build! Nice choices in hardware!
Parent - - By user923005 (****) Date 2019-12-30 23:11
I have a bunch of older commercial servers that consume 14KW and scream like jet engines (along with a few ordinary home PCs that are better behaved but not nearly so fast).  This new machine is twice as fast as the fastest one of them and will use about one kilowatt (if I run the GPU programs like LC0 concurrently with CPU programs).
I will probably retire all of the old servers, except for rare cases (when the new machine is queued up with a ton a work and an important job comes along or something like that).
The energy savings of the new machine will pay for it in four or five years.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2019-12-31 06:59
For those who may want to use your build as a ground plan for their next build - they can take heart in that the AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X 3.7 GHz 32-Core TRX4 Processor , has come down in price by at best a grand!

Newegg has it for $2,100. B&H has it for $2,050.plus tax around $2270. Your overall cost would have been reduced by at best a grand giving you  more purchasing power.

For the nubie , a  decent case and perhaps custom or kit cooling , reasonably priced  2x  970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD 1TB for starters. A decent graphics card...

If the mobo is reliable and offers enough options ...!

Memory - I've historically gone with corsair but more recently used Kingston! I'm just spit balling! 32 cores,  anyone just starting out on a first build should research custom cooling and/or different levels of cooling kit applications.

I am so struct at how fast the  technology has advanced since I went from a Pentium, to a Pentium II, to a Pentium III's SSE implementation- to a  dual core - quad core ....et al!
Parent - By user923005 (****) Date 2019-12-31 21:22
The $3695 figure isn't really just for the processor.  It's kind of a base price (several things rolled into one).
If you look at the other prices (e.g. 2080 Ti Supers less than $600) they are pretty fair.
There are some other places I looked where the markup on parts was more than double the retail price.
If you add up the actual costs for all the parts, the overhead of this place is fairly low (at least compared to other places).

In a retail setting, it generally takes about 35% markup to break even.  Of course, they probably get a price break in buying the parts wholesale and in bulk.
Parent - - By The Wizard (***) Date 2019-12-31 21:00
Hiya, I am going to get a threadripper setup at some point although not for chess so much but I do a lot of video and audio stuff and the results compared to my Intel rig seem to be outstanding ... Intel have ruled for such a long time when it comes to chess and FPU even when out clocked so of course I will naturally be interested in by how much the AMD 32 core kicks my18 core Intel :lol:

Regards
Tony

Happy new year everyone
Parent - By user923005 (****) Date 2019-12-31 22:10
My son does video editing and sound processing on his computer.
I bought him a 3900x and it blows away his old i7.
- - By RFK (Gold) Date 2019-12-31 07:20
I'm going to make a prediction! I'm going to base my prediction on how Adobe solved their software theft problem. They turned their Adobe Photoshop into a cloud contractual  20GB of cloud storage, Lightroom Classic, and Photoshop.
US$9.99/mo.

I can see Intel and AMD eventually using the same process to hook customers and stop selling processor's for personal desktop builds. '

Intel may be the one to sell cloud storage for personal computing at such a cheap and reasonable rate, giving access to start at 128 cores or more!

After time, it would be hard for mobo manufactures to find a demand for their products and motherboard prices would increase or production would be limited. As would other components that makeup a desktop computing.
Parent - - By user923005 (****) Date 2019-12-31 21:29
Intel and AMD don't really write software (except for a few tools that help develop software for their chips that they basically give away {exception - the Intel compiler is expensive}).

The software giants like Microsoft, Sun, Oracle, etc. still have to compete with open systems.
E.g. how much will you pay yearly for Oracle when PostgreSQL is free?
How much will you pay yearly for Office when LibreOffice and OpenOffice are free?

What you need to be able to do as a software company is provide service with your software that makes it worth the price.
Technical support, documentation, that sort of thing.  If it is easy to use and understand and easy to get help, that increases the value.

Or you can also use the old model of "Add features that will make someone want to buy the new version"

The commercial stuff usually does inter-operate a little better than the free stuff too.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2020-01-01 02:58
Yes, I recognize that both Intel and AMD don't really write software. But that isn't my main point. My main point is future marketing strategies! Nothing to do with the writing of software!
I can also use the another analogy that of Amazon.com and the demise of the shopping mall.

Don't get me wrong a desktop computer or laptop will be of some necessity but the real source of computing power will -I believe in the future be leveraged  out of , perhaps,  not one central cloud but a few dozen Intel and/or AMD located facilities around the globe that individuals will contractually tap into.

In gaming -it won't matter who is running how many cores per se against so-and-so -the field will be leveled. What will then matter is who has designed the best engine code going into competition.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2020-01-01 03:20 Edited 2020-01-01 03:34
Dann,
I'm not trying to through a cold rag on top of a great personal desktop computing advancement in CPU technology AMD 32 core is nothing to sneeze at! 

But there will be a point when  one of these giants in technology, stops making personal computing processors,  and you and I know Intel has already made that promised threat. 

Marketing for Intel down the road if that is decided could be making  cloud computing available on a large scale at a very reasonable price!

Using the same marketing gimmick that Adobe uses -when they stopped publishing software for Adobe Photoshop!

Not anytime soon-but eventually, I think it will come to this.

If this does take place -as I made mention in a previous post, the impact would be felt across board in the  manufacturing of personal computing accessories! Extreme water cooling would take a hit. Mobo manufacturing would change -may be for the better!
My guess is money predominately   would be spent more toward  quality of mobo, memory , graphics card,  storage! What kind of processor one would need to boot this thing to Windows and run program-AMD 32 cores?:smile:
(I'm not worried about any of these possibilties-I'll be dead and gone by then! :wink:)
Parent - - By MrKris (***) Date 2020-01-02 00:45
Interesting idea about hardware moving to the clouds.

My idea is that if not what is the average home user do with umpteen cores on ultra-tiny nm's.
Maybe the smaller and smaller nm's will continue to put more in phones and tablets, maybe the cloud too.

I have to take this with a 'grain of salt' because their 10 nm is still 'on the way' years late:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15217/intels-manufacturing-roadmap-from-2019-to-2029 December 11, 2019
1.4nm in 2029
Intel expects to be on 2 year cadence with its manufacturing process node technology, starting with 10nm in 2019 and moving to 7nm EUV in 2021, then a fundamental new node in each of 2023, 2025, 2027, 2029. This final node is what ASML has dubbed '1.4nm'. This is the first mention on 1.4nm in the context of Intel on any Intel-related slide. For context, if that 1.4nm is indicative of any actual feature, would be the equivalent of 12 silicon atoms across.
[emphasis added]
The new AMD's already have 7 nm.
Parent - - By user923005 (****) Date 2020-01-02 01:54
The cloud is the reinvention of the mainframe. Nothing more and nothing less.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2020-01-02 07:46 Edited 2020-01-02 08:11

>The cloud is the reinvention of the mainframe. Nothing more and nothing less.


That is a simplistic notion that ignores the complexities or even takes into account the ever changing, and/or forward advancements in computing  technology!
It ignores as well, the very  premise of  what a cloud computing system is by definition-

"The practice of using a network of remote servers hosted on the Internet to store, manage, and process data, rather than a local server or a personal computer."

There is nothing stated in that definition that relegates  antiquated conceptual technology to be used in any of its servers! Rather , there is  greater ability in accessing and using more advancements in technology,  without concern over cost- then what you purchased, as your most recent toy! :wink:

Who knows what is in store in the not-too-distant-future. Even the concept of the "server" or multiprocessor boards or system boards, may become obsolete, as our military industrial complex finds a need to consolidate and ramp up its cyber computing intelligence! Advanced methods  may develop to better coordinate a network computing system?!

But do not fear. Some things will never change. Crafty will always be- just Crafty! :grin:
Parent - By MrKris (***) Date 2020-01-01 19:58

> The commercial stuff usually does inter-operate a little better than the free stuff too.


Linux free 1.5% of desktop users, commercial Windows (and some Mac) for the rest is a little strange.
I guess Linux/Vulcan/Steam etc. have made some progress, I do not know if it shows much in the percentage yet.
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