Also, one of my Idea Projects disappeared. Maybe not the worst thing since I have it backed up but still frustrating. I assume I just drop the backed up AQT file into the appropriate data file?
I am running AQ14 and haven't had any problems until this week.
When things are not recording to your tree.... you should check over your setup. Silly things, like have a funny spelling of a tree name (careful when using Eastern European names... they might have illegal filename characters in them). Hard to predict what might be the cause... back in the day (when I used to play with things a LOT) stupid things I tried (and was told in this forum that I couldn't do... that the program wasn't meant to do what I was trying to do) disappearing trees and missing analysis were common problems. But to help track it down, we need a LOT more information about what you were doing and the setup you were using.
I have several projects. Most are the names of the openings I am working on. Such as Modern - Bf4, Modern - Austrian Attack, Hippo, My Positions.
The project that was not writing to the tree is "Hippo".
Project Description: Hippo
Project Type: Local
CPU usage: Active
Analysis tree: IDeA\Hippo.aqt (Box is checked for "The same as the project description")
Master Tree: Not Set
Root Positions: 9 root positions(s) - I have had many many more. At some point I copy the position to a database "Opening Prep Black - 01, 02 etc." and add the Best line from Idea. I then remove the root position.
Analysis quality: 1s AND depth 40, wait for next depth
Insert infinite analysis from linked games is checked
Queries to TB7 server is not checked
Min Time 300
Min Depth 40
Tree Configuration: Idea
I may have figured out what happened with that. Somehow the box "Master Tree" in the Idea setup got checked. I don't use a Master Tree. Just the analysis tree which is the same as the project name. In this case "Hippo". Edit: This may not have fixed it. Grr.
Could this have something to do with the tree configuration? I haven't changed anything and have been using this setup for a few years with no problems.
But, if that is the case for my Hippo project it still doesn't explain why the project "My Positions" simply disappeared from the list. Do I just copy the backed up version to the data file. I assume the AQT file?
I appreciate your help in advance.
That is just how I do it - others may have different opinions. But IDEA is a balancing act between depth of analysis of a given position and expanding/exploring alternatives in a reasonable period of time. I prefer to analyze key positions with IA myself and feed those lines back to idea at higher depth.
Once I think I am convinced of a candidate move based on idea I examine the lines with IA, just to be sure (you can use the tree functions in Sandbox mode to see the best tree lines) and if I think more expansion is needed I feed those back into the IDEA project.
Curious what others think?
How do I enter a screen shot? I am used to Ctrl/Printscreen and then Control V. Apparently it's not that simple.
The forum allows you to upload jpg files, you can use Ctrl-Printscreen, but then use a program like Photoshop or Gimp (its free) to create an image from the Clipboard. I do it all the time. Once you have an image file, you can attach it or embed it in a message in the forum. And I always crop the image in Gimp, to just include the salient parts.
Maybe a good reason to upgrade. Fewer bugs and automatic backup creation. For me, going to AQ2017 was a big difference in the level of bugs I ran into... I still have problems once in awhile, but nothing that requires a restore from backup in a LONG time.
I was able to upload it in another post but don't think .XCF is the correct format?
As far as the Idea tree problem I think I am planning on starting fresh with the 2020 version and a more powerful machine. And the 2014 tree files are not compatible with 2020. I have most of the positions in databases or the 2014 projects.
Edit: Grrr. I started fresh with 2020. A new project. I stopped Idea to see if the Tree problem has been fixed. I have been sitting here for quite awhile waiting. It still seems to be in an endless loop.
You have to define a Master Tree whether you use it or not.
I always create one in called (project name)_MasterTree.aqt then never look at it or do anything with it again.
I think the problems you are having may be related to not having a master tree.
I started the project before taking my daughter to the movies. Came back and it actually has some positions now. I stopped Idea and now it seems to be in that endless loop. Will let it go for awhile and see what happens.
Wondering if I have things set up right. Everything had been working with the setup I have been using.
Here are my screen shots:
I understand what you are saying but I started a brand new project in AQ 2020. The name may be the same but different AQ version, different folder, etc. I left about 4 hours ago. The project had been stopping and minimaxing for about a hour when I left. When I returned it was still in the loop. So, I forcefully shut everything down. Restarted and the tree is now fine. Screenshot below. Actually have some positions, etc. I am going to start it up again now before I go to bed and let Idea run all night.
Right click on the tree window and make sure "add moves to main tree" is set to Always.
Otherwise it is possible to manually add positions in the notation that do not get added to the tree.
If you then add a node it can be disconnected.
Also start every project at the initial position and make sure you have every position from there to the actual starting position of your project in the tree.
Be careful when adding positions from the database because that is another way you can add positions that are disconnected from the tree.
Here is what mine looks like.
It really should default to always because the expected behavior is that a move you manually enter would be added to the tree.
Clicking the "all positions" 4 red thumbtacks button will add tasks for anything in the notation window that is not in the tree, which also adds them if they are not part of it already.
See if the problem still occurs. If it does then it is a problem with your computer, and if not then it is a problem with the way you are using Aquarium.
If it works fine with everything as default then take one little step at a time until it either does what you want or you identify the point where things go wrong.
This thread has become a little confusing, but here is another contribiution.
*idea is a generic term that simply points to the current project being viewed, whether it be Hippo or any other. It is there by default and there is no need to change it. Similarly there is no need to create a separate configuration for Hippo. The default IDeA configuration applies to any tree and will show the moves relevant to each viewed project, whether it be Hippo or Modern – Austrian Attack, etc.
There is no need to set a master tree. The term “master” is misleading. It is simply any other tree from your ATrees files that can be attached as a second tree to any project. It can be useful for transferring data between trees or comparing one tree with another in the configuration window. It can be safely ignored if it has no use for you.
If a project is missing, check for the presence of the project.xml file in the IDeA\Projects folder. If found, open it in a text editor and check that the project is properly described in the first two or three lines.
Whether “add moves to main tree” is set to None or Always is a matter of personal choice. I cannot recall disconnected positions in my trees causing minimax problems.
If a project is continuously minimaxing, close and reopen Aquarium and then minimax using the project “Manage/Minimax Tree Now” drop-down menu. That sometimes works for me. There is also the Tree/Verify tab to try. Otherwise I agree with pawnslinger that your tree has probably become corrupted. If you have trouble finding a working backup, you can always recreate your tree from the project.epd file found in the IDeA\Results folder. This file contains the result of every completed task. It is interesting to read in a text editor because it shows for each task the time used, depth achieved, final evaluation and pv. Create a new tree and then use Manage/Add Results to open the relevant project.epd file. Aquarium will take a little time, depending on the file size, to build the tree. Then minimax to complete. Your original tree should be restored.
.aqt tree files were used in Aq2014 so they will be compatible with Aq2020 and can be transferred without need for conversion. Older .hsh files can also be converted to .aqt files if necessary.
I guess I understand *idea when you are in Idea looking at a project but what about when you want to see the results of a tree from within a database? I am in a database now and selected the IDeA tree configuration but no results and pointing at the wrong tree "(IDeA\My Positions.aqt" when it should be "IDeA\Hippo.aqt" which does have positions when I am in IDeA.
I did take care of the missing project problem. I backed up all of my AQ2014 data. I thought I had to manually copy the .aqt files to AQ2020. I used the Import Project(s) option. They imported just fine.
As for the minimaxing I uninstalled and reinstalled AQ2020. Created a brand new project. Still having doing it. I then imported my old projects. Still doing it. Minimaxed as you suggested. Still doing it. When I shut down and reopen AQ the results are in the tree. But, multiple instances of the .aqt file have been saved. Screenprint below. There were 157 copies when I shut down AQ. I have emailed ChessOk for help.
> I am in a database now and selected the IDeA tree configuration but no results and pointing at the wrong tree "(IDeA\My Positions.aqt" when it should be "IDeA\Hippo.aqt" which does have positions when I am in IDeA.
There will be an error somewhere in your configuration, possibly in the project xml file. If you look in IDeA\Projects you will probably find a lot of Test.xml files now, but maybe also a couple of Hippo.xml files that might cause some ambiguity.
I notice in another thread that you have inadvertently been allocating more cores/threads than available on your pc. Have you also as, a consequence, been allocating more than your available memory? It can have unpredictable effects, including never ending minimax.
Do you have a D:\ partition? I think, in the past, we have been advised not to install Aquarium on the C:\ drive, though I have no idea why. The multiple Test.acq files are a mystery, but there must be something wrong with your setup.
With that said I will reduce the Ram used per engine instance. I have been maxing it out.
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