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- - By MrKris (**) Date 2019-04-03 23:07
http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70372#p794744
"Re: Will a new Komodo come out in the near future?
Post  by lkaufman » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:13 am

Paloma wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:43 pm
Will a new Komodo come out in the near future?

because the last main release 12.0 is dated from Mai 2018 or
12.2 from Nov. 2018
12.3 from Dez. 2018


Dev version but 2301, which plays in TCEC, seems to be an good progress
We have made good progress with Komodo MCTS since 12.3, but not with normal Komodo, so we decided not to release right now. In recent years we released new whole-numbered versions along with ChessBase in May, so that would be the obvious bet, but it's not a promise. We would like to have either a major new feature or decent progress in normal Komodo for Komodo 13."
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Would not Chessbase be already making DVD's from submitted code if there will be a May K13 release?

K11 and K12 progress, decent or not, CCRL:
http://ccrl.chessdom.com/ccrl/4040/cgi/compare_engines.cgi?family=Komodo&print=Rating+list&print=Results+table&print=LOS+table&print=Ponder+hit+table&print=Eval+difference+table&print=Comopp+gamenum+table&print=Overlap+table&print=Score+with+common+opponents
CCRL 40/40 4-CPU (Mar 30, 2019)
All 11 and 12 series rated:  25 point Elo range, latest not best
LOS
   Komodo 11.3.1 64-bit 4CPU  3398  +20  −19  68.3%  −124.8  50.1%  852   
58.4%
   Komodo 12 64-bit 4CPU  3396  +17  −17  69.6%  −127.8  52.1%  1094
60.6%
   Komodo 11.2 64-bit 4CPU  3392  +17  −17  67.9%  −118.3  53.2%  1078
67.8%
   Komodo 12.3 64-bit 4CPU  3385  +24  −23  66.0%  −102.3  54.8%  544
52.5%
   Komodo 11.01 64-bit 4CPU  3384  +28  −28  73.4%  −155.9  46.9%  416
...

CCRL 40/40 1-cpu (Mar 30, 2019)
All 11 and 12 series rated:  20 point Elo range, lastest not best, 11.01 below 10.4
LOS
   Komodo 11.3.1 64-bit  3325  +15  −15  70.0%  −132.6  48.9%  1408
   Komodo 12.2.2 64-bit  3325  +15  −15  59.9%  −65.8  54.1%  1262
52.4%   
        Komodo 12.3 64-bit  3322  +16  −16  63.5%  −87.3  57.9%  1126

   Komodo 11.2 64-bit  3321  +14  −14  70.7%  −140.2  47.9%  1802

   Komodo 10.4 64-bit  3305  +15  −14  75.0%  −166.0  42.9%  1713
84.5%
   Komodo 11.01 64-bit  3293  +21  −20  71.3%  −135.6  50.3%  755
...
Parent - - By parmetd (***) Date 2019-04-03 23:25
Well chess.com also bought them so this changed things.
Parent - By MrKris (**) Date 2019-04-04 00:18
Thanks! It has been almost a year and I had totally missed it:

https://www.chess.com/news/view/chess-com-acquires-komodo-launches-new-monte-carlo-version-similar-to-alphazero
" Chess.com Acquires Komodo; Launches New 'Monte Carlo' Version Similar To AlphaZero
News | May 24, 2018, 3:47 PM
...
"Chess.com has already helped us by providing additional hardware for testing, ..." said Kaufman.
Kaufman said his goal is to create the world's strongest chess engine.
...
The latest version, Komodo 12 ... "
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Chess.com did not help K12.3 to get above the other 12's and 11's.
As far as Ko.MCTS: although Ko.MCTS 12.3 is improved its only slightly above Fire 7.1 now so what good is Ko.MCTS's non-weakening multi-PV if its 1st/best is so weak.
Parent - By MrKris (**) Date 2019-04-04 04:37
Komodo's 1st year with Chess.com, 12 through 12.3, has been worse than before at CEGT:

http://www.cegt.net/40_40%20Rating%20List/40_40%20All%20Versions/rangliste.html

* Stockfish 10 on only 1-core 23 Elo ABOVE the latest Komodo on 4-cores!
** Stockfish 8, obsolete by 2 versions, 15 Elo ABOVE the latest Komodo!
< latest Komodo only 3 Elo above the old Komodo 10.4!
CEGT 40/20 All Versions - min. 50 games (Apr. 4, 2019)
7  Komodo 11.2 x64 4CPU     3423  14  14  1919  70.7%  3246  48.5%
8  Komodo 12.1.1 x64 4CPU   3423  13  13  2116  63.5%  3309  56.0%
9  Stockfish 10.0 x64 1CPU  3422*  14  14  2061  72.3%  3235  47.6%
10 Stockfish 8.0 x64 4CPU   3414**  13  13  2576  68.5%  3263  55.7%
11 Komodo 11.3 x64 4CPU     3409  15  15  1799  65.7%  3283  55.1%
12 Komodo 12.3 x64 4CPU     3399< 25  25  634  69.2%  3251  53.5%
13 Komodo 11.01 x64 4CPU    3397  14  14  1855  70.0%  3224  47.7%
14 Komodo 10.4 x64 4CPU     3396<  13  13  2276  75.0%  3182  42.0%
- By MrKris (**) Date 2019-04-08 23:51
http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70372#p795023
"Re: Will a new Komodo come out in the near future?
Post by lkaufman » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:20 pm

...  Anyway we have finally made some progress with normal Komodo so our next release should be at least ten elo improved from 12.3 in normal mode."


Nice of him to keep us informed, but 10 would equal Komodo 11.3, 5 behind Stockfish 8 on CEGT 40/20, and, on CCRL 40/40 would equal Komodo 12 and Houdini 6, 2 behind Komodo 11.3.1 and 35 behind Stockfish 9:
http://www.cegt.net/40_40%20Rating%20List/40_40%20All%20Versions/rangliste.html
11   Stockfish 8.0 x64 4CPU   3414   12   12   2576   68.5%   3263   55.7%
12   Komodo 11.3 x64 4CPU  -->3409<-- 14   14   1799   65.7%   3283   55.1%
13   Komodo 12.3 x64 4CPU    *3399*  24   24   634   69.2%   3251   53.5%
14   Komodo 11.01 x64 4CPU    3396   14   14   1855   70.0%   3223   47.7%
15   Komodo 10.4 x64 4CPU     3396   13   13   2276   75.0%   3182   42.0%

http://ccrl.chessdom.com/ccrl/4040/rating_list_all.html
2  Komodo 11.3.1 64-b 4CPU  3398  +19  −19  67.9%  −122.5  50.3%  862 ; 58.4%
3  Houdini 6 64-bit 4CPU    3396  +14  −14  63.2%  −86.4  60.0%  1431 ; 49.4%
   Komodo 12 64-bit 4CP  -->3396<-- +17  −17  69.6%  −127.6  52.1%  1094 ;60.6%
   Komodo 11.2 64-bit 4CPU  3392  +17  −17  67.9%  −118.0  53.2%  1078 ; 50.2%
   ShashChessPro1.0-64 b    3392  +33  −33  65.6%  −93.8  61.7%  256 ; 56.9%
   Stockfish 10 64-bit      3389  +11  −10  76.1%  −179.9  44.6%  3538 ; 59.1%
   Komodo 12.3 64-bit 4CP  *3386*  +24  −23  66.0%  −102.6  54.8%  544 ; 53.5%
   Komodo 11.01 64-b 4CPU   3384  +28  −28  73.4%  −155.7  46.9%  416
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