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- - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-01 09:20
Hi all,

Finally I want to upgrade my ancient Q6600 Quad to a Ryzen 1700 system. I have found a good site where you can build your own system, but I have no idea which components would be the best for chess. So I hope there are some hardware experts here who can help me out.

Please advise me about:

* Motherboard
* Processor cooler
* Memory
* Graphic card
* Hard disk
* Power supply

Thanks in advance!
Parent - - By Stonehenge (***) Date 2017-10-01 10:52 Upvotes 1
If you're not afraid of assembling the PC yourself, here are the components of my budget Ryzen 1700 system.
https://www.megekko.nl/hwi/950959,954217,351409,111565,975371,999152,194657
Currently less than 770 Euro.
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-01 11:12
Cool, thanks a lot for your help!

I am not an expert in 'building yourself' systems, though, so I am considering the website below (they also do the overclocking to 3.7 GHz):

http://www.ogsystems.nl/game-pc-configurator-amd-ryzen
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-01 12:44
Hm, the site I gave in my previous posting seems to be quite expensive.... When I choose the options I want, I still get to 1100-1200 euros....
Parent - - By APassionforCriminalJustice (***) [ca] Date 2017-10-01 14:14
Go to Ebay and build a dual-socket system. The 2670s are cheap these days. You could choose from a variety of different CPUs - and Intel architectures. I've built multiple dual-socket systems using ebay sellers over the years. My latest build consists of two 2690 CPUs. Forget Ryzen when you can build dual socket for a great price.
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-02 15:35
Thanks for your tip!

What about power consumption for such a system?

Unfortunately I am not a PC assembler myself and I cannot find an internet site where they offer Intel Xeon e5 systems....
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-10-02 18:57
i use 2 600w and 1 700w from FSP Fortron
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-03 03:15
I meant what does it mean for my electricity bill when I use such a workstation :-).

Currently I have a Q6600, but when I see the power supplies coming with such workstations, I have the feeling they consume a lot more electricity than my Q6600.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-10-03 06:03
its expensive indeed, u will at least double the bill
Parent - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-03 14:33
Oops, that is what I was afraid of.....
Parent - By APassionforCriminalJustice (***) [ca] Date 2017-10-08 13:13
You must be paying for some expensive electricity.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-10-01 11:17 Edited 2017-10-01 11:21
i have the same amount for any of my systems and they are much faster

u have to compare only mainboard, cpu´s and ram market price

ddr3 ecc is much cheaper than ddr4 and e5 2670 or 2650 2660 2665 are all 8 core and cost about 50-70 per cpu boards from 300 to ...
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-03 04:14
What do you think of this system:

https://www.queensystems.nl/refurbished-systemen/102545-hp-z620-workstation-2

HP Z620 Workstation:

2 x Intel Xeon 10-Core E5-2660V2 2.2 - 3.0Ghz - 40 Threads
Memory 48 GB
120 GB SSD Samsung Enterprise + Bracket
Harddisk 2 TB
Optical DVDReWriter
Graphic card FX-3800 - 2 x displayPort
800 Watt Power supply

Seems it will double or triple my electricity bill, though :-).
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-10-03 06:08 Edited 2017-10-03 06:11
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-03 14:36
Thanks :-).

I won't use it 24/7, but even if I use it the same time as my current Q6600, I am not very fond of spectacular electricity bill rises :-).

How much faster would be the 16 core Xeon / 20 Core Xeon compared to the Ryzen 1700?
Parent - - By Stonehenge (***) Date 2017-10-03 15:31
My best guess would be that a dual Xeon 2660v2 system @2.6 GHz would have about 1.5x the performance of a Ryzen 1700 @3.7 GHz.
A dual Xeon box should typically consume about 300 Watt (depending on which CPU you use), about twice the Ryzen's power consumption.
Parent - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-03 15:58 Edited 2017-10-03 16:16
Thanks for the comparison. If it is (only) a 50% performance increase, I think I will stick with the Ryzen system.
Parent - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-04 06:38
Yesterday I found this site: www.creoserver.com. They offer refurbished dual Xeon workstations for 800-1200 euros:

https://www.creoserver.com/hp-workstations/hp-workstation-z620

If they wouldn't consume so much electricity, the choice would be easy :-).
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-03 08:18
I was going to post this after Mr Roberts Comment. Glad U posted it.
Thanks
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-03 16:17
May I ask what kind of system you have? Dual Xeon?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-03 17:45
Sir, I am a Mere Physics teacher. Cant afford the xeons :lol: .
I have two PCs. One is i7 2600K and other is AMD 1090T. Both are from Dinosaur era now. Thinking of assembling a 1700 Ryzen.
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-03 17:52
Thinking of assembling a 1700 Ryzen.

Yes, me too :smile:
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-03 17:54
Yes Sir, :smile:

But what i have found wait for 3 months till the Rev 2.0 of the motherboards come out. there are hardware issues with Ryzen.
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-03 18:50
there are hardware issues with Ryzen.

What kind of issues?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-03 18:58
Motherboard issues related to the cpu. Looks like the mobos now dont fully understand how Ryzen Architecture works.
Parent - - By Stonehenge (***) Date 2017-10-03 20:03
AFAIK the AMD Ryzen platform is very stable at the moment, there are no particular problems with the motherboards.

Only the choice of RAM is more delicate, you should only buy RAM sticks that are on the QVL of the motherboard. And overclocking RAM is more difficult than on an Intel platform; I have 3000 MHz RAM but it can only run at 2666 MHz on the cheap mobo I selected.

The end result is very good, getting over 20 MN/s at this price point is great.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-04 06:05
Sir, U have that system hence u know better. But I read many forums about this after I thought of buying and many users commented this.
Read This sir.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-ryzen-memory-compatibility
Parent - - By Stonehenge (***) Date 2017-10-04 06:15
Your link refers to the RAM issues I mentioned.
If you stick to memory that is on the QVL of the motherboard there are no problems.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-04 06:16
There are some BIOS issues too i read specially with the B350 chipset.
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-05 07:59
I spoke with the company where I am going to order my Ryzen system. According to them the current mobo's have no problems with the Ryzen. They will also do a BIOS update after which everything is fine.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-05 09:11
They will also do a BIOS update after which everything is fine.

This is what i meant. Actually now manufacturers have updated the bios. I read it in many hardware forums.
ASUS does it very frequently. So go for the asus one. I will also be going what Robert Suggested. 16 threads is good for IDeA.
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-05 09:45 Edited 2017-10-05 09:48 Upvotes 1
So go for the asus one.

Yes, the ASUS will be my choice :-).

Do you know the difference between the next two memory's:

* Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 16 GB
* Corsair Vengeance DDR4 LED 16 GB
Parent - - By gsgs (**) [de] Date 2017-10-05 10:01
it blinks permanently, but I guess, that's normal and no error ?!
asus prime b350m-a

I got :

power-pins , power LED
internal speaker (adhesive tape)
hamburg - speaker on USB
power supply
graphic card (no signal from the internal VGA or HDMI)
RAM in 2nd slot (reduced the # of crashes , it was in 1st slot)
lots of SDDs each one with one operation system

--------------------
BIOS from ~July , no sign. changes since then
CPU fan faster
no other fan
other settings default
no overclocking
CPU,Cooler too firmly screwed, can't unscrew it
-----------------------------

no crashes with Arch-Linux , but with Knoppix,Ubuntu mate,Linuxmint
early Ryzen-1700s had a bug , Linux GCC compiles , AMD takes them back
some issues with RAMs ,
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-05 10:27
The LPX memory is categorized as "advanced", while the LED version is labeled "high end". There is not much price difference, though. Think I'll get the LPX, should do fine.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-05 16:05
LED appears cool.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-05 16:13
Sir, First check the QVL of the mobo and then buy.  I heard some with Samsung B-die  chip is good to get max out of Ryzen.
Go here for the List
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-05 16:19
The QVL link doesn't work, unfortunately.

I already have ordered my Ryzen 1700 system, I can expect it within 3-4 days.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-05 16:20
Cool. I have to wait for 3 months. :cry:
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-06 02:08
Why do you have to wait so long?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-06 12:39
To accumulate that amount of money. :sad:
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-06 13:39
Aha, OK... Hope you will reach the necessary amount soon!

In the meantime my Ryzen is a bit delayed. I decided to choose a better, more expensive Asus mobo, as the budget one I mentioned above, had quite a lot of negative reviews. It wasn't in stock, though, so they have to order it. Pity, but nothing to be done.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-06 16:33
Better late than never. Lets expect u get good hardwares. Specially mobo and ram.
Go for the one i told u. That one is good and has good review in B350 chipset.
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-13 14:40
Well, I got it today, but I am totally not satisfied :sad::sad::sad:

One of the coolers sticks about 1.5 cm too far out of the case, so I cannot close the side panel of the case anymore. There is no room in the case to push the cooler inside.

So I have a question: is it a big deal if I keep one of the side panels of the case open? I have seen more people do that, but I'd like to know the pro's and con's of doing so.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-13 19:06
AFAIK, the cooling in a closed cabinet is cretaed to take air from one side and throw to another side. Sometimes keeping open increases the ambient temp.
So run it and see what happens to the temperature . If it does not increase it will be fine i suppose.
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2017-10-14 15:49
It's no big deal, but it's not nice. You'll have to remove dust more frequently from the interior - but temperatures will be no problem. You could solve the problem by replacing the heat sink - a Noctua NH-U12S would fit. It has the same mounting kit, so this would be easy.
And please avoid chess programs that use bmi2 instructions - the Ryzen PEXT instruction is slow. https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f11/ryzen-schach-performance-bmi2-problem-1156117.html
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-14 16:16
Thanks, Lukas. I have decided to keep it this way and only have the overclocking done. The speed of the PC is rather good.

I have tried a SF bmi compile on my new PC and indeed it is very slow. So I am only using popcnt.
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2017-10-14 17:54
You should replace Stockfish by asmFishW - it's faster. And you should use large pages.
Parent - By oudheusa (*****) [nl] Date 2017-10-14 20:49
How to enable lage pages, eg using Aquarium?
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