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Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-21 10:40
ICCF isn't free (off the top of my head).
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-21 12:08
Given the used time-controls i think most "rybkaforum-candidates" have a justified fear to not experience the end of the first preliminary round... not to speak about a first norm given our big DRAWblem due strength of books&engines in 2018. :grin:
Parent - - By David Evans (****) [gb] Date 2018-02-21 14:34
well chess is a draw.........
Parent - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-21 15:05
That's what it looks like.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-21 15:34
Always thought its a forced black win....................................................................David Evans - José Sanz 0-1
Parent - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2018-02-22 22:38
Upssss :lol:

This was a great game, no doubt! Must say that Mr. Evans had to play for a win and took some risks!
Parent - - By leavenfish (***) [us] Date 2018-02-22 03:38
Ozymandias - Right....but ICCF is certainly more prestigious than a free site.
Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-22 08:56
I don't know about prestige, but among the test games I'm playing now, some people there simply appear to play whatever comes to mind.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-22 09:11
:lol: Just go through the opening-book with the rare wins of recent WCHs, and you realize, it's not really about playing strength of the winning side but dubious openings/play of the losing one... so you get the same story like in freestyle. Berliner, Estrin, Oosterom, [...], that were the prestigious days, today it is a computer-game where those with most resources/spare-time(!)/luck excel... not with most chess-knowledge.
Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-22 09:48 Upvotes 1
Although, as you well know, I agree with all that, it wasn't my point right now. I'm talking about the quality of the entry level players at different sites, and so far, I can't say ICCF is better in that department. That may change as you climb the Elo ladder, but paying good money and wasting years, to reach the level where you can finally draw your games against strong opposition, seems unwarranted.

As you say, prestige is a thing of the past, there's no practical reason for choosing ICCF over FICGS.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-22 10:11 Edited 2018-02-22 10:15

> I'm talking about the quality of the entry level players at different sites


Don't forget, there are still players playing without engines at all, to me the real WCH-candidates in this digital age (i mean, they know what opposition they face but still don't care...). Edit: And yes, as this was your point, they are also at ICCF...

> but paying good money and wasting years, to reach the level where you can finally draw your games against strong opposition, seems unwarranted.


Very true, especially as one main motivation - gaining an "official" GM-norm - is now a life-time project in 2018 (given that you don't have money/friends to lend you ELOs... not that this has every happened anytime anywhere! :lol:). Maybe 2009 was the last "good chance", Papenin had a pretty good run... but even when you click through his games, he had nothing against the Petroff, nothing against the Gruenfeld, ... and nowadays he seems to play unmotivated or without engines as well.
Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-22 12:17 Upvotes 1

>Don't forget, there are still players playing without engines at all


That's what I meant by "some people there simply appear to play whatever comes to mind", look at this game: 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 e6 4.Bg5 Nbd7 5.e4 h6 6.Bxf6 Nxf6 7.e5 Nd7 8.Ne2 c5 9.c3 b5 10.a4 Qb6 11.a5 Qc7 12.Nc1 cxd4 13.Nxd4 b4 14.Bb5 bxc3 15.Qc2 Qxe5+ 16.Nce2 White has been lost already for quite some moves, and playing d4! From the moment we left "theory", he's been making one bad move after another. Not only is he playing without an engine, he's not very good and he's not giving his moves a lot of thought.
Parent - - By leavenfish (***) [us] Date 2018-02-24 03:25
Imagine is he were playing on a 'free' site...
Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-24 07:02
Actually, of the currently running 16 games, the people at ICCF are the fastest replying. By far.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-24 08:55
Highly motivated opponents playing for the heck of analysis&fun and even continuing replying in a worse position? All that in 2018? You must be kidding!
Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-24 09:42
I'd say they play fast just because of the "blitz bug". I'm not seeing much motivation and analysis so far.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-24 09:53
Others would claim "I simply outplayed them!"... :grin:

Sadly play-quality is not just low with the 18xx's, look at this GM-games of the top(!) boards Germany - Russia 2011:

https://www.iccf.com/game?id=311864
https://www.iccf.com/game?id=311866
https://www.iccf.com/game?id=311867
https://www.iccf.com/game?id=311870
Parent - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-24 10:16
The PC with my DB will be busy for a couple of weeks, I'll take a look at those openings then (if I remember:wink:).
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2018-02-22 12:23
If you can win your national championships then that gets you into some very nice tournaments. When i won the British Championship a few years ago that that opened up many doors for me.
Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-22 12:38
To even play one of those, you need an ICCF ELO of 2250, how many lives do I need, to get a 400+ jump?
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-22 12:46
I thought Ramesses II being a god and living forever?!... my fears are way more realistic, as i will stop burning latest in a few million years (it may have already happenend and we don't see it eh i didn't realize it...) and explode as a SUPERnova... is there enough time left for ICCF-GM?
Parent - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-22 13:02
My nick is a homage to a character here.
Parent - - By leavenfish (***) [us] Date 2018-02-24 03:22
Ummm....if you are 1850 ELO, one could argue that you do not need to be playing 2250's....right? It's kind of a waste of their time.
Or am I missing something?
Parent - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-24 07:03
Computers. The Elo is OTB based, which has nothing to do with nowadays correspondence chess.
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-24 08:59
Would still be nice to get a first chance to show a realistic (corr-)ELO instead of beginning at zero.
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2018-02-21 11:59
I do play ICCF and have done since 2006.
Parent - - By David Evans (****) [gb] Date 2018-02-21 14:33
And playing well to........::grin:
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2018-02-22 12:18
Hello David, hope you are well.

Sometimes i play good and sometimes not so good.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-22 12:41
I remember you stating playing 100 games at once, that is obviously a little challenging - especially when working full-time. But in the end its fun anyways, and health is what matters most... enjoy!

But now to the real nagging topics: Uly is posting on talkchess.com... please drop him a line to come back as we're all waiting... the corr-subform must live again!!!
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2018-02-22 12:50
Hello Antares,

This was correct i was playing over 100 games at once, and it was very challenging. I'm now down to a current level of 37 games.

Interesting, i will see if i can make contact with him again and let him know it's his move.
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-24 09:03 Upvotes 1
Funny is that every second post is from him, as his biggest contribution to engine-development to date is deleting single lines of code in open-source ones, and even wanting that to be protected closed-source... reading this guy sometimes Vegan seems to be a rational scientist. :grin:
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2018-02-22 22:34 Upvotes 1
Hello Mark!

I am glad you are posting again!

> Maybe it's time for someone to start the WBCCC tours again and get all the old players back?


It's going to take some time to me in order to get updated but of course I am planning to play some games around. I would also be interesting in any tournament starting say some months from now

Best regards,

José
Parent - - By Scott (****) Date 2018-05-07 01:11 Upvotes 1
Now wouldn't that be something! The old adage, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Nice to see posts from old adversaries, :)
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-05-10 19:19
Scotty-buddy, how are you? Still playing a little Poker? Hope everything is fine with you (don't let that BiPolar-suffering drag you down, never!)... wishing you a great time, Anton
Parent - - By Scott (****) Date 2018-05-11 21:29
Hi Anton! Yes, still play poker and chess and even pool when I can. Definite signs of a misspent youth, :smile: Actually Bipolar ain't so bad. It keeps life from being boring. Also Alzheimer's, all the movies I see are like the first time

because I can't remember how it came out.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-05-12 11:48
Do you follow poker WSOP a little? 10 years ago it was in early-breakfast-TV in Germany, and i got known to how to play Hold'em (and Omaha) and a few of the big names. There was a real big hype when Moneymaker won the main-event, but now with all the illegal-gambling&taxes-restrictens it somehow tided down a little... at least i don't follow the current scene.

Regarding Pool or in that case Snooker: Do you know Ronnie O'Sullivan?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYqSATdr62Q
Parent - - By Scott (****) Date 2018-05-12 20:46
I used to watch WSOP all the time also and saw that Moneymaker win. But like with a lot of sporting events, TV and ads ruined it. Being competitive in pool was long ago for me, but still enjoy a game now and then. In fact both of those were disasters

for me, kind of the main reason I took up chess. At least in chess, you take away the lucky draw on the river. Pool also has its share of luck. But they all are fun if you don't take them too serious!
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-05-12 21:39

> But they all are fun if you don't take them too serious!


I agree, enjoying your time&friends is most important! :smile:
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