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- - By user923005 (****) [us] Date 2016-05-19 21:17
Not sure about the meaning, but Döner Kebab is lamb from a vertical rotisserie grill.  Anyway, I assume it is something like this:

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[Result "*"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f3 c5 e4 *

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
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[Result "*"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f3 e6 e4 *

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
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[Result "*"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f3 Bf5 e4 *

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
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[Result "*"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f3 c6 e4 *

Yielding these positions for black:
rn1qkb1r/ppp1pppp/5n2/3p1b2/3PP3/2N2P2/PPP3PP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq -

rnbqkb1r/pp2pppp/2p2n2/3p4/3PP3/2N2P2/PPP3PP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq -

rnbqkb1r/pp2pppp/5n2/2pp4/3PP3/2N2P2/PPP3PP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq -

rnbqkb1r/ppp2ppp/4pn2/3p4/3PP3/2N2P2/PPP3PP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq -


Can anyone tell me more about it?
Parent - By gsgs (**) [de] Date 2016-05-20 06:38 Edited 2016-05-20 07:37
this may arise from d4,d5,e4,de4,Nc3,Nf6,f3,Bf5  , which I often play in 1-min-internet-blitz,
without being aware of Doener-theory

https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Erdogan+G%C3%BCnes?responseToken=099ce9190c7fe8330f99f960dd8d635f8

Döner Gambit
Erdogan is famous for his formidable opening ideas and preparation.
Well known is the Döner-Gambit, a Blackmar-Diemer like opening, extensively
analyzed by Günes [8] , which usually occurs as following: 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f3
with later e4 to encourage black to capture e4 and f3.
Christopher Lutz proved Döner Gambit quite harmless, if black exchanges queens and
give back material [9] .

^ Lars Bremer (2004). Ausgedönert - Hydra-Team mit neuer Eröffnungsstrategie.
Interview with Chrilly Donninger, Computerschach und Spiele, Aug-Sep 2004

I can't find that interview online.

However - if there is a line that simplifies things and gives a drawish endgame or even a
slightly better endgame for black, and another line that gives complicated positions
with winning chances for both sides, you might want to choose the latter, if you want
to be successful with small probability p and not to vanish in the mass of
slightly-better-than-others with probability >1-p

maybe Dragonmist can tell us whether he thinks such Doener-like preparation
could be useful in highlevel correspondence-chess ?!

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hmm, Erdogan Guenes is the one who became Champion for 2007 and 2010
when Vasik Rajlich was disqualified

Günes :
> dadurch mittlerer 5stelliger Betrag durch die Lappen gegangen
...
> es ist in der Branche durchaus üblich sei, sich von anderen Codes Inspirationen zu holen.
> Man lernt voneinander und kann auch allgemein zugängliche Codes verwenden.
> Modifikationen aus dem Sourcecode sind erlaubt. Das führt hier und da zu Ähnlichkeiten.
> Doch es ist in der Computerwelt ein schmaler Grat, voneinander zu lernen und fremdes Gedankengut zu klauen.
...
> Dabei hat er [Rajlich] frech behauptet, dass es seine Genialität war", ärgert sich Günes
http://www.innsalzach24.de/innsalzach/region-waldkraiburg/waldkraiburg-erdogan-guenes-nachtraeglich-computerschach-weltmeister-gekuert-innsalzach24-2537822.html
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