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- - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-02-01 14:27 Upvotes 2
Hello Chess Friends,

I am planning to organize a new book competition, for more details:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=601

No patience to see many book makers in the battle field !!

Greetings,
Sedat
Parent - - By Guest71 (*) [it] Date 2014-02-01 14:44
Thanks Sedat, my book will be there .....
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-02-04 16:40
<Thanks Sedat, my book will be there .....

Not at all...its my pleasure :)

But however... I see only 2 postings over this thread, honestly I expected much more interest...

Maybe in the next days,
we will see more comments regarding the next SCCT Book Championship I

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Guest71 (*) [it] Date 2014-02-04 17:59
Sedat do not worry, it is better to have few good fans that so many no-good .....
:wink:
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-02-04 18:37

>Sedat do not worry, it is better to have few good fans that so many no-good


Thanks for your replay...

Actually all of the previous SCCT Book Authors were quite good people
And there is no doubt that we will see many new book makers, which I hope we'll have a good friendship too

It's true that sometimes (not very often) we had some critics each other, but overall I can say one thing:
I miss all of them  !!!

Best Wishes,
Sedat
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2014-02-04 22:12
I expected much more interest...

I suspect that the reduced response is NOT due to reduced interest in your competitions. It's much more likely to be due to reduced traffic to the Rybka Forum, especially this sub-forum. It would probably help to post in the computer chess sub-forum as well...
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-02-07 09:17

>I suspect that the reduced response is NOT due to reduced interest in your competitions. It's much more likely to be due to reduced traffic to the Rybka Forum, especially this sub-forum. >It would probably help to post in the computer chess sub-forum as well...


Agreed with you dear Alan, I will follow your recommendation

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By billyjean (**) [in] Date 2014-02-03 17:32
Nice, thanks for the info.
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-02-04 16:41

>Nice, thanks for the info.


You are welcome...
Parent - - By billyjean (**) [in] Date 2014-02-04 14:47
Can you please tell me what is this optimize 0/100 ? maximum book move 100 and minimum 0? or it represents variety of play?
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-02-04 16:35

>Can you please tell me what is this optimize 0/100 ? maximum book move 100 and minimum 0? or it represents variety of play?


That means,
I will use same book setting configuration for all opening books, and here is it:



BTW,
Otherwise, I can make mistakes... because I can't remember for example  all settings of 50 book participants...
I am human, my memory is  not a computer :)

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By billyjean (**) [in] Date 2014-02-04 19:16
oh alright, thanks for the info
Parent - By jeandis (***) [ve] Date 2014-02-07 12:26
of course my friend I will be present as always!
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-02-21 21:24 Edited 2014-02-21 21:36
Update:

For Stockfish/Komodo:Fritz (ctg), plus Polyglot (bin) formats will be allowed
For Houdini: only opening books in Fritz (ctg) book format will be allowed
Due to Houdini does not have book option to use Polyglot (bin) format
For all Fritz (ctg) particpants same setting will be used : Optimized 0/100
Parent - - By albitex (***) [it] Date 2014-03-04 22:19 Edited 2014-03-04 23:07

> I am planning to organize a new book competition


Sorry, but I do not understand: I to participate in this tournament, I have to give my book. This book on what computer to play?
I'll play with my computer online, or I will send you my book and play it on your computer? (I have a old PC).

Because "Permanent Brain: Disabled"?

"Maximum Opening Book Size Limit: 250 MB in WinRAR size": Is this size a rigid parameter?

I think to properly evaluate a book, the engine should be unique. Or several rounds of the tournament with only one engine for the group.
However, in every game, the direct opponents should use the same engine on the same hardware.
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-03-05 09:22
Thanks for your interest and  good questions...

>Sorry, but I do not understand: I to participate in this tournament, I have to give my book. This book on what computer to play?


All opening books (participants) will play on my machines: i7 980X / i7 970

So in case of interest to participate, you need to send your book to:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=38

>I'll play with my computer online, or I will send you my book and play it on your computer? (I have a old PC).


No...all registered opening books will play on my tournament computers :)

>Because "Permanent Brain: Disabled"?


Yes...that means Ponder OFF

>"Maximum Opening Book Size Limit: 250 MB in WinRAR size": Is this size a rigid parameter?


Yes...I can make an exception, if 3 mb - 5 mb in case of larger...otherwise I have no much free time to download e.g 1GB, 2GB or 10GB... :)

>I think to properly evaluate a book, the engine should be unique. Or several rounds of the tournament with only one engine for the group.


The number of the cycles will depend on the number of participants, for right now 2 cycles is planning

>However, in every game, the direct opponents should use the same engine on the same hardware.


The speed difference between i7 980X and i7 970 is too small (i7 980X is approx. 3 % faster)

kN/s  Cores  EXE   Processors              Speed     Hardware Users
8394     6   x64   Intel Core i7-980X      3.33GHz   Sedat Canbaz
8150     6   x64   Intel Core i7-970       3.20GHz   Sedat Canbaz

Note also that I did not notice so far different results during testing the engines in SCCT (based on thousands of games)

No...any engine performance is highly depending on opening book usage (Perfect 16 book proved that) :
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=323

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By bformless (**) Date 2014-05-14 16:47
What about Aquarium Book formats .elm and .hsh ?
You can embed them with the Aquarium Book Adapter,
or i can preconfigure it for you,
so you only need to point to the AquariumBookAdapter.exe and my preferred Engine is ready to go.
Can you allow those books as well?

cul8'er.
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-05-14 18:55 Edited 2014-05-14 18:57
It's too late... plus I never used Aquarium Book formats under Fritz GUI

In other words,
I have no any idea what will be the influence in case of using Aquarium Book formats...
- - By Miki Date 2014-02-22 18:30
Is a tournament open to all, or the author must to have some credentials?
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-02-25 21:18

>Is a tournament open to all,...


Thanks for your interest

Yes...the next book tournament will be open for all

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-02-27 10:55 Edited 2014-02-27 11:04
Update:
Gull 2.8b and Rybka 4.1 will be allowed as participants too! In case of any wish...
For Stockfish/Komodo:Fritz (ctg), plus Polyglot (bin) formats will be allowed
For Gull/Houdini/Rybka : only opening books in Fritz (ctg) book format will be allowed
Due to the mentioned engines (Gull/Houdini/Rybka) do not have book option to use Polyglot (bin) format
For all Fritz (ctg) participants same setting will be used : Optimized 0/100

Best,
Sedat
- - By Guest71 (*) [it] Date 2014-04-05 08:55
Hi Sedat, news? part or not this tournament ......?!
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-04-12 23:46

>Hi Sedat, news? part or not this tournament ......?!


As I promised...there will be ...soon more info coming!
Parent - By Guest71 (*) [fr] Date 2014-04-17 09:35
Thank you Sedat.
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-04-19 23:47 Edited 2014-04-20 00:38 Upvotes 1
Dear Book Makers!

I am pleased to announce:
• The Tournament is planing to be started around: 15 May 2014
• The Book registrations are planning between: 01-13 May 2014

Recommended for book uploading:
https://www.mediafire.com

If you are interested to participate, please send your book to:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=38
Note: Data is required (Download book links; Book Author’s name; Info about with which Chess engine)

For more details about SCCT Book Championship I:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=601

No patience to see all of you in the real arena !

Kind Regards,
Sedat Canbaz
Parent - By jeandis (***) [ve] Date 2014-04-20 10:53
Hi Sedat,

good news, I will be present to this event, please keep me a place. I think to send you my book around May 11 2014.
Parent - By jeandis (***) [ve] Date 2014-04-21 19:00
Hi Sedat,

you have planned to spend the games live?
Parent - By Guest71 (*) [it] Date 2014-04-28 16:40
Finally Sedat , I am just returned to Italy and start working right away, and I hope to bring out a book worthy of your tournament.
See you
- - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-04-21 20:08
Hello Jean

Thanks for your interest
It is not clear due to in tournament room I have no 3 Rd external PC

I will see...still we have time, but however I dont want to promise

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By jeandis (***) [ve] Date 2014-05-07 11:35
I saw anymore correspondance about your new  book sedat tournament. Do you sustain this tour because I plan to send you my Mapanarito book soon (about 10/11 of may)
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-05-07 12:58
Yes Jean..... there will be a new tournament! it's ok about the date registration, you can send on these days

Best,
Sedt
Parent - By jeandis (***) [ve] Date 2014-05-11 17:07 Edited 2014-05-11 17:11
I sent you my book, please check your e-mail. Let me know if all ok to delete my files from mediafire. Thk
- - By Hamster (**) [at] Date 2014-05-08 13:43
I will submit a book, my goal - not to come in last!! :smile:
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-05-09 10:14

>I will submit a book, my goal - not to come in last!!


:)
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-05-14 08:19
The current registered opening books!!
Which are planning to be as participants very soon:


More Details:
- If anyone's registered opening book is missing in the table, please inform me...
- Probably there will be more participants in the next hours (due to several delay reasons...)
* That's why the tournament start day probably will be on 16.05.2014
- Unfortunately this time I can't provide the tournament in LIVE, due to I have no external PC...
- I plan to use same stockfish_14051110_x64_modern_sse42 for all books, who requested Stockfish...
- As I mentioned before, for all ctg books will be used same settings: optimized  0/100
- Mostly of the book registrations are going mainly for Stockfish (only a few for Houdini)
* Unfortunately so far no any book resgistration for Gull, Komodo and Rybka
- I've got an email from Mr. Jatt, where he promised to give a prize for the next SCCT Book Champion !!

One thing more,
As before in SCCT, I noticed so far for the current tour, there are a lot registrations by super strong book authors
I am not going to count which are those famous authors, becouse I am afraid to miss to mention some of them... )) !!
But durring or in the end of the competition I will publshed the full list with all author names!

Yes... the real Arena is coming very very soon !!!!!!

Have fun,
Sedat
Parent - - By Saldom (***) [eu] Date 2014-05-14 10:43
Hi Sedat!
I sent you my book RpC-Needle-140511-7.bin (13.05.2014)
Best regards,
Aleksandr
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-05-14 14:43
Hello Aleksandr
Very nice!  Right now I am not at home. .. but later I will download your book! Thanks....

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By Guest71 (*) [it] Date 2014-05-14 16:17
Aleksandr Shvachko....right?!
I have always admired your books of  Diffusion series!
Nice to know that your book is present in this tour
Parent - - By Saldom (***) [ru] Date 2014-05-14 17:53 Upvotes 1
Guest71, thank you for rating.
I not do a long time books.
Not yet possible make the new Diffusion.
Let's see what be able Needle.
Here testing Needle http://www.chess2u.com/t8513-3-books-tournament
Parent - By Guest71 (*) [it] Date 2014-05-14 18:01
awesome ....
+1
Parent - By Saldom (***) [eu] Date 2014-05-15 03:13
Thank you Sedat
Parent - By Randazzo [ve] Date 2014-05-14 22:47
sedat, please check your email you received my Randazzo book
- - By Hamster (**) [at] Date 2014-05-09 12:33
So, the first version of my first book has been created... and straight away
I have tested it. I was using Fritz 12, setting two versions of stockfish and
had one play without a book and another with my book FirstBook.ctg. Then
I had them play 10 games with 1m+1s time control. Guess what... the vers.
without a book won 5.5-4,5. :fat:

Is Fritz12 a decent GUI to make those tests? With Aquarium I have a bit of
a problem with ctg books... Also, how many games do I need to play to get
statistical certainty that my book is not good :wink: . Is there some formula for
a confidence interval etc.?
Parent - - By Leto (***) [us] Date 2014-05-14 15:11
Stockfish is excellent in the opening, probably the best engine to prepare strong openings.  Houdini is absolutely horrible without an opening book.  Try Stockfish vs Houdini without book and you'll see.
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-05-16 12:59
Ok...I will follow your suggestion !
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-05-16 12:59
In a few hours, I plan to start the tournament...!

There is no doubt that the current competition will be very exiting!!

Thanks a lot again for your interest and trusting to Me (SCCT) since many years!

And I wish GOOD LUCK to all Book Authors !!

Conditions:
Hardwares: i7 980X/ i7 970
Large Pages: OFF
GUI: ChessBase (Fritz)
MP Threads: Maximum (6 cores)
Book Settings: Optimized 0/100
Book Leaning: ON
Hashrtable Size: 512 MB
Time Control: 3 Minutes
EGTB: 4-Men (Nalimov)
TB Cache: 16 MB
Rounds: 4 (cycles)
Total Games: 2244
Games Per Player: 132
Tournament is expecting to be completed after 5-6 days
Tournament Director: Sedat Canbaz


SCCT Book ChampionShip I's Total Participants: 34
---------------------------------------------------
Opening Book            Engine        Book Author
----------------------------------------------------
Amchess.ctg             Stockfish     Amchess
Beagle.bin              Stockfish     Nick Carlin  
Bombastic.ctg           Stockfish     S.B.K.
CaudineForks.ctg        Stockfish     Antony Rossetti 
CoLdFiRe.ctg            Stockfish     Chris Cheek
Comet.ctg               Stockfish     Mike Nielsen
DeepUCI2014.ctg         Stockfish     Torbjorn R.Johansen
DieHard.ctg             Stockfish     Randy Sands
DoomD4b.ctg             Houdini       Nikisharma
Fantasy.bin             Stockfish     Americo Moreira
GameOfTrones.bin        Stockfish     Pawel Sekowski
HitorMiss.ctg           Stockfish     John Burchill
Jihad 6.2+.ctg          Houdini       Abdelkader Atia
KhrONiK.ctg             Stockfish     Colby Jaxon (15 years old!)
Klaus.ctg               Stockfish     Siddhartha Bakshi
Kraken.ctg              Stockfish     Frank Karl Werner 
Laguna II.ctg           Stockfish     Baboy
Mapanarito.ctg          Stockfish     Jean Disquin
Monks 1.4.ctg           Houdini       Rolando Acosta
No Book.ctg (Empty!)    Stockfish     !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    
PlayHamster.ctg         Stockfish     Gabor Komaromi
Randazzo.ctg            Stockfish     Randazzo Girolamo
Rodent.bin              Stockfish     Pawel Koziol
RpC-Needle-140511.bin   Stockfish     Aleksandr Shvachko
Shocker 1.2.ctg         Stockfish     Jorge Martinez
Skipanda.ctg            Stockfish     Eros Riccio
Spartacus.ctg           Stockfish     Robert Johnson
Strelnikov.ctg          Stockfish     Nelson Hernandez 
SuGaR.ctg               Stockfish     Marco Zerbinati
SWYD V5.ctg             Stockfish     Tiago Alves     
The King of Legend.ctg  Stockfish     Baabu Hatela
The Rock.ctg            Stockfish     Dean Sprouse
WinOnly.ctg             Stockfish     Absimaldata
Zenix 3.6.ctg           Houdini       Julien Durand
----------------------------------------------------

Best Wishes,
Sedat
Parent - - By Alien-51 (*) Date 2014-05-16 13:54
thanks for the book.. i'll play at playchess :cool:
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-05-16 17:29

>thanks for the book.. i'll play at playchess


Yes, but Perfect 2014 books are not recommended for Playchess sever
Parent - - By Regularuser (***) [gb] Date 2014-05-17 07:28
Interesting.   Presumably Perfect 2014 is a good book, so I am fascinated to know what makes it unsuitable for Playchess and what you think it is more suited to.
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) [tr] Date 2014-05-17 09:55 Edited 2014-05-17 16:01

>Interesting.   Presumably Perfect 2014 is a good book, so I am fascinated to know what makes it unsuitable for Playchess and what you think it is more suited to.


Simply because Perfect 2014 book is very small in size, plus its almost all lines are up to 8 moves and it includes a lot of openings....

All these factors are disadvantage to test Perfect 2014 book on Playchess server

For more details about Perfect 2014 book:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1024

For example, (I mean for Playchess, SCCT Book Tournaments  or  for any other book competitions etc...)
To be on Top places is needed large decent book with deeper move lines, less openings, thousands of games book vs book testings using equal strength engine
And the most important factor: any opening book with superior strong lines that never played before has more chances to be ranked at one of the first places!
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