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Poll Who will win Benjamin-Rybka match at draw and White odds for each game? (Closed)
Benjamin by 8-0 0 0%
Benjamin by 7-1 1 2%
Benjamin by 6-2 6 10%
Benjamin by 5-3 13 22%
Tie Match 4-4 6 10%
Rybka by 5-3 15 25%
Rybka by 6-2 10 17%
Rybka by 7-1 5 8%
Rybka by 8-0 3 5%
Parent - - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2007-12-21 18:57
I voted 5-3 for Rybka. I would love to see Rybka get checkmated twice in this match (though I think it is unlikely). But that would be very wonderful to see.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2007-12-21 22:58
And even more unlikely. The GM is supposed to forget about trying to checkmate Rybka and just go for the win-counting draw.
Parent - By Jim Walker (***) Date 2007-12-24 22:29
I see someone has already picked JB by 7-1 :)  If Benjamin even wins the match I will be very disappointed.  The easy draw thing has been around too long and needs attention.
Parent - - By Nick (*****) Date 2007-12-20 12:30
I've gone for Benjamin winning 6-2 ... unless you have a special anti-human Rybka that you'll be playing?
Parent - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2007-12-20 15:45
Well, it will have a modest anti-human/anti-draw factor built in to the contempt, at least it should foil "father" tactics or other crude drawing strategies if it works properly.
Parent - By Vasik Rajlich (Silver) Date 2007-12-20 13:58
Thanks Larry for organizing this. Thanks also to our sponsors.

Joel will have his hands full.

Parent - - By oudheusa (*****) Date 2007-12-20 16:25
How close will the Rybka version in this match be to v3.0?

80%? More?
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2007-12-20 19:38
I think that it's a 3-4 months distance.
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2007-12-20 19:46
About 60-70% I guess. Anyway, you never know what will happen in the next months, maybe Vas has a genius idea how to improve the search and Rybka will improve much more than in the first months of development... So saying "70%" of Rybka 3 is a bit risky.
Parent - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2007-12-20 20:50
In terms of time, I guess 60% or so. In terms of rating gains, I don't have any better way to predict than to assume the same rate of progress, but that could be off quite a bit in either direction.
Parent - - By JhorAVi (***) Date 2007-12-20 20:16
Hi Larry,

What if Benjamin actualy WINS the game and not just DRAW? I think he deserves credit for making the game alive.

I suggest:

ONE POINT for Benjamin if he DRAW the game

TWO POINTS for Benjamin if he WINS the game (if he checkmates rybka)!

This suggestion might turn out in Rybkas Favor because of certain risks for Benjamin to force the win but makes the match more lively :-)
Parent - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2007-12-20 20:56
Well, I considered this sort of thing, but decided against it because then Benjamin might take risks to win, which would undermine the point of the match -- can a GM draw with White at will? The match is a battle of wills unlike any normal chess game, because there is no outcome for a game that is acceptible to both sides. I wish all chess were like that. That's pretty much the way it is in Japanese chess (shogi).
Parent - By JhorAVi (***) Date 2007-12-20 20:20
Parent - - By Gaмßito (****) Date 2007-12-22 17:01 Edited 2007-12-22 17:05
Could you please tell us a little more about what version will play the match against Joel, and what novelties does it have?

Parent - - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2007-12-23 19:19
The contempt factor was already changed greatly for the last two GM matches, and may be changed again for this match to foil "father" style tactics. The program itself has been improved in countless ways. Some are technical in nature, such as improvements in the search. Others are new chess knowledge. Rybka now has a better idea of which endgames to head for, and understands that pins have strategic value, not just tactical. Pawn structure knowledge is improved. The list is actually quite long. We haven't yet done a lot with king safety/attack, but intend to do so before Rybka 3.
Parent - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2007-12-24 10:59
that's impressive. King safety / attack will make rybka 3 very attractive
Parent - - By maxrom (***) Date 2007-12-24 13:33
Hi all,

I really hope that rbka 3 have a better kingssafty, because that was 1 of the weakest points of 2.3 
Parent - By Jim Walker (***) Date 2007-12-25 17:14
Duh, I just noticed that Benjamin gets white in every game. :)  I need to change my vote !  :)  Actually this is getting more interesting to me now.
Happy Christmas to all !
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