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- - By Rimbaud Sam (*) Date 2013-11-29 13:36
In the "Database" Window.

"Filter Games" (Search+ mask Ctrl+F)  Button is NOT working!?

Deep Fritz 14 GUI (ChessBase) Mr. Jan Sass let's fix this.
Parent - - By Hurnavich (Bronze) Date 2013-11-29 14:42
+1
Parent - - By jammy (***) Date 2013-11-29 14:55
Get onto Chessbase about it.
Parent - By Rimbaud Sam (*) Date 2013-11-29 16:30

>Get onto Chessbase about it.


Yeah, I'am on it.
Parent - By Rimbaud Sam (*) Date 2013-11-29 16:21
:wink:
Parent - - By BenVanVlierden (***) Date 2013-11-29 19:37
More than a week ago I have also reported this bug. As usual, no response from Chessbase.
Parent - - By Rimbaud Sam (*) Date 2013-11-29 21:51

>More than a week ago I have also reported this bug. As usual, no response from Chessbase.


The greatest difficulty with ChessBase is not its ability to produce, but the unwillingness to fix their bugs straight away and help their clients.
That sanctimonious attitude doesn't help anyone.
Parent - - By BenVanVlierden (***) Date 2013-11-29 23:27
I was one of those who had the privilege of being paying betatesters for the first version of  Aquarium. I still think they would have done better to postpone release of that very buggy first version for, say, 6 months to a year. However, the way they handled the miriad of complaints and bug-reports that ensued was quite brilliant. They had an open ear on the forum, everyone who posted anything got an answer, and they adressed every serious issue.

As a result, the latest release is head and shoulders above anything else in the field (the field being analysis; the engine vs engine dept. is yet another story).

If anyone from Chessbase had been observing this forum, they could have learned something.

I coudn't agree more that their attitude towards their customers is quite deplorable.
Parent - By MarshallArts (***) Date 2013-11-30 07:08
The lack of a support forum is one of the chief problems.
Parent - - By leavenfish (***) Date 2013-12-01 15:56
You clearly do not have their flagship product - Chessbase 12. They have been quick to rush out...oh about 22 'fixes' and tiny improvements here and there since its release.
Parent - By BenVanVlierden (***) Date 2013-12-01 21:53
I still run CB 10. To be quite honest, though it is a pretty buggy program, I don't dare to upgrade, because I'm afraid whatever comes next will be worse ....
Parent - By The Wizard (***) Date 2013-12-02 09:51

>They have been quick to rush out...oh about 22 'fixes' and tiny improvements here and there since its release


But managed to ruin the new `find doubles` which is super fast when you install the product, I cannot remember which service pack returned it to the same speed as earlier chessbase versions. I keep two versions now one for all normal work and one for database cleaning work

I gave up long ago reporting problems to Chessbase

Regards
Parent - - By Peter Grayson (****) Date 2013-12-01 15:50
While we're on the subject of bugs and Deep Fritz 14 in general ...

After being miffed to find it will not install the 64 bit GUI or engine in Windows XP Pro 64 bit with the Q9550 CPU's, I found the 32 bit engine exhibits very similar traits to the Robbolito MP w32 engine and I've convinced myself if it isn't a version of Robbolito then it is a very close Ippo derivative.

All of the file handling errors associated with changing the database or test set location that I found in DF13 update 31 persist in the 64 bit version in Windows 7 Pro 64 bit and in an engine match it crashed after 40 games causing a Windows "Deep Fritz 14 has stopped working" error message.

Another issue with the engine is it uses fixed hash. Whether the hash value is set to 1 Mb or 16 Gb the 64 bit engine + GUI stays at 429 Mb peak or 399 Mb peak for the w32 version.

Surprised there have not be more complaints!

Won't be rushing to by any future Chessbase software after this.

PeterG
Parent - - By BenVanVlierden (***) Date 2013-12-01 21:57
Noticed the hash problem also. I presume most of us are running some version of Windows 7.

Does anyone here run F14 under Windows 8? Do you also suffer from the same bugs?
Parent - By Peter Grayson (****) Date 2013-12-03 21:12
The engine hash and file handling issues I had in Windows 7 Pro 64 bit have been corrected in update No.2

PeterG
Parent - - By MarshallArts (***) Date 2013-12-02 01:42
Hi Peter,
This is the first time I hear this - so, in your estimation, DF14, which is based on Pandix (a private engine), is actually little more than an Ippolit derivative ?

Very interesting (and disturbing) if correct.
Parent - - By Peter Grayson (****) Date 2013-12-02 10:35

> DF14, which is based on Pandix (a private engine)


Hi there,
Perhaps we have all assumed this to be the case because of the author's involvement but I did not see anything in the Chessbase advertisement confirming it was so.

The DF14 w32 engine has very similar characteristics to Robbolito 021Q MP including failing to clear hash between positions when a position test set is run. Also confirmed when it is shown the solution to a problem, taken back, hash cleared and it immediately solves the position it failed on previously until the GUI is unloaded/reloaded when it goes back to failing to solve. The position solving failures also look very similar to Robolitto but of course some tweaks here and there can make it look a little different.

I thought there were similarities to the Ippo family when I looked at the DF14 64 bit engine in Windows 7. In that case it looked similar to Fire(bird) 2.2 MP but again some differences. Not aware of how to run a similarity test with the engine being native to the Chessbase GUI.

Nothing wrong in this but from my perspective in W7 I've got a 64 bit GUI with the same file handling issues as DF13 GUI and a 64 bit engine that seems to be an Ippo variant that would otherwise have been free. In XP Pro 64 bit I've got a w32 GUI and engine that does not have the file handling issues but again the engine seems a w32 Ippo variant. The 64 bit engine also crashed during a Noomen2012 opening lines engine vs engine match. More concerned about the failure to install the 64 bit GUI and engine in XP Pro 64 bit.

The absence of the previously included Autoplayer for engine vs engine matches is also a big disappointment that really kills the need for another FRitz GUI for me. Will have to look closer at Aquarium features.

If I'd known all of this beforehand I doubt I would have purchased it. A lot of hype with the sales pitch that from my perspective leaves a lot to be desired!

PeterG
Parent - - By MarshallArts (***) Date 2013-12-03 04:40
<< If I'd known all of this beforehand I doubt I would have purchased it. A lot of hype with the sales pitch that from my perspective leaves a lot to be desired!

I can understand your frustration. I was somewhat eager to get the new Fritz 14, since I presumed it would be a renamed original engine (Pandix), but this new information has made me back off in a big way. Who needs to pay for an otherwise free Ippo engine ?? :yell: Even the GUI has little more to add in the way of features. :surprised:

Thanks for letting us know.
:fat:
Parent - By Peter Grayson (****) Date 2013-12-03 21:14
The file handling and engine hash size issues have been corrected with update No.2

PeterG
- - By Hurnavich (Bronze) Date 2013-12-01 21:44
Hi,

Can anyone help i'm geting a engine load error with Deep Fritz 14 will not load! all other engines work ok.
Parent - By Hurnavich (Bronze) Date 2013-12-02 21:27
Hi,

My engine now loads after the 2nd update via playchess.com updater all works fine now.
- By Fishpov (**) Date 2013-12-02 22:08
Figurines notation in search panel are in bold, not in previous fritz release, it is not very pleasant !
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