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- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-11-16 01:44
Considering the generosity of the sponsors from the last couple of years and my feelings that we need to encourage a few more to be a little more 'generous' :cool:, I am considering this offer- that for each dollar that is sponsored for the 2014 event that did not come from prize money won from the 2013 event ie it has to be new money, I will contribute an extra 50 cents to the dollar to a maximum of $500.

What this means is- I will go 50 cents to the $1. So if $1000 in new money is raised, I will add $500. I do have to put a minimum and a maximum on it though. The maximum I will contribute is $500. The minimum is $250. If we can not raise even $500 between all of us, then probably better to have a no prize money event than try and divide up 4/5 of bugger all.

This is what I am considering at the moment.
Parent - - By The Wizard (***) Date 2013-11-16 11:06
Hi,
    Is that US or Australian dollars :twisted: :evil:

Regards
Parent - - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-11-16 11:46

> Is that US or Australian dollars :twisted: :evil:


The most worthless currency available :razz:
Parent - By The Wizard (***) Date 2013-11-17 12:52

>The most worthless currency available


From what I have been hearing from friends down under the majority though in Perth it is getting very expensive and up to ten dollars for a beer which is something like nigh on £6 .... Some of our UK low life piss heads would be driven sober by those prices hahahaha

Regards
Parent - By David Evans (****) [gb] Date 2013-11-30 12:42
Again i will put forward 100 dollars because i believe in the tour and good chess.

If you build it they will come.
Parent - - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2013-11-17 04:21 Edited 2013-11-17 04:25
I'll donate a $25 Amazon or PayPal gift card 2014 as I have enough pts on a few loyalty sites to buy/transfer one without having to pay an additional transfer fee, and it's not much hassle on my end (either know the recipient's email address or give the gift card code.
Parent - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-02 02:04

> I'll donate a $25 Amazon or PayPal gift card 2014 as I have enough pts on a few loyalty sites to buy/transfer one without having to pay an additional transfer fee, and it's not much hassle on my end (either know the recipient's email address or give the gift card code.


Thank you for the offer Matt. Paypal is a bit difficult for some as paypal is not accepted in some countries. For instance paypal does not accept transactions in India at all, either to or from, so Om Prakash would be ineligible for this prize. Others do not have a paypal account. But I do like the general idea and these are certainly encouraged.
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-11-30 14:11
I posted my offer on 16/11, so nigh on a fortnight a go. In my opinion, my offer has received a mediocre response. Therefore it is withdrawn.

The offer was: I will go 50 cents to the $1. So if $1000 in new money is raised, I will add $500. I was willing to take a financial risk to add some real value to the event, but since no one decided to reply with anything like, that sounds great, or anything as appreciative, I will return back to being organiser and arbiter and leave sponsorship and fundraising to others. My financial affairs are certainly appreciative.
Parent - - By Chaotic Chess (****) Date 2013-11-30 15:01
Your doing a fantastic job garvin, keep it up. No need to take stress :smile:, btw, I attended a two day course for stress management just recently so I know the feeling.
Parent - - By The Wizard (***) Date 2013-12-02 09:25

>btw, I attended a two day course for stress management


And your conclusions? :grin:

Regards
Parent - - By Chaotic Chess (****) Date 2013-12-02 12:21
I can handle it better now. :smile:
Parent - By The Wizard (***) Date 2013-12-03 08:40

>I can handle it better now


:lol: I was thinking more along the lines of any tips and suggestions?

I meet a lot of people at the gym from all kinds of work backgrounds who swear by the gym to de-stress. I get to the gym now at 6am and many others do the same before going on to work.

Regards
Parent - By Scott (****) Date 2013-11-30 16:06
Garvin, please don't rant (:smile:) if this has been brought up before, I'm getting old and memory fading, :confused:

But what about an entry fee? It would pay for the prizes and give you a % for your part AND it would keep the withdrawals down to probably zero.

Just an idea...
Parent - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2013-12-01 04:56
thank you for your hard work :)
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2013-12-07 23:25
I think you do enough already Garvin without having to contribute prize money.
For the average guy this tournament is just too strong and some of the top players are frightened by this time control.
Its great that David Evans plays as he is one of the few top players who will risk it at these time controls.
You can see this by the rabid response to my post offering to play any of them for money.No takers and not even any offers for a lot less money or none at all.
I have been unbeaten for 3 years now on WBCCC about time someone took my head off as I am a lonely figure with this record.:smile:
Parent - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-07 23:40

> I think you do enough already Garvin without having to contribute prize money.


It was an attempt to see if others would sponsor prize money early and with more than prize money carry overs from the previous years. With knowing about the $500 at the start of the year, it amounts to just $20 a fortnight. That can be done by bank transfer :wink: hint, hint to others.

> For the average guy this tournament is just too strong and some of the top players are frightened by this time control.


I am not quite so sure about that. I think in part it is about lack of exposure as well as a couple of other posters have touched on. We had a chance in 2011 when we had players like Gino Figlio etc, then we had the events at the end of 2011 which lost those players and were never seen of again. It is being held on a site that is not a recognised playing platform like ficgs, iccf etc but on a chat site, which may not help.

> Its great that David Evans plays as he is one of the few top players who will risk it at these time controls.


I wish we were seeing David's top game in these events.

> You can see this by the rabid response to my post offering to play any of them for money.No takers and not even any offers for a lot less money or none at all.


I never expected a response as personal money matches are not normally of interest. What is of interest are tournaments, winning titles and events.

> I have been unbeaten for 3 years now on WBCCC about time someone took my head off as I am a lonely figure with this record.:smile:


Still need to become WBCCC champion though :razz: maybe with round robin and more games 2014 will be your year. Or not :wink:
Parent - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2013-12-08 13:29
"I have been unbeaten for 3 years now on WBCCC about time someone took my head off as I am a lonely figure with this record."
If that's what you really want, why not just offer those 15 thou as a special prize for next year's edition?
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-02 02:06
Prizes so far:

In Australian Dollars:

$125 from Paul Watson (National12)
$100 from David Evans.
$100 approx carry over from Scott Nichols from 2012 prizes.

$25 gift card from Matt O'Brien.
Parent - By Chaotic Chess (****) Date 2013-12-02 02:31
I will not be joining 2014 edition but let me offer a serial key of playchess server as a prize. :smile:

Good luck and Have fun!
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2013-12-03 08:50
I will offer $100.00 again.
Parent - - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2014-01-07 17:33

> I will offer $100.00 again.


This offer had been noticed earlier. Thank you Mark
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2014-01-07 20:34
No problem at all Sir.
- - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2013-12-23 23:15
I am prepared to put more prize money into 2014 if it is matched by total amount of others.

I think by now you all know that I am a man of my word.
Parent - - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-23 23:23

> I am prepared to put more prize money into 2014 if it is matched by total amount of others.


Perhaps you could take up my original offer.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2013-12-23 23:44
That's what I was thinking of but you withdrew your offer.
Parent - - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2013-12-23 23:46

> That's what I was thinking of but you withdrew your offer.


I withdrew my offer. Means you could take it up in my place under the same terms :smile: the key term is fresh money.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2013-12-23 23:50
OK,I will match any fresh money up to a limit I have not decided on yet.
Parent - - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2014-01-07 17:39

> OK,I will match any fresh money up to a limit I have not decided on yet.


Paul told me by private message that he would attach a 1000 pound cheque to an arrow and shoot it through a hall filled with the same number of dummies equivalent to those who have stepped for to force cash out of Paul. He could not get to the hall because he got tired from kicking out the tumbleweeds on the way to the hall.

New offers still being accepted. When does your offer close Paul?
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2014-01-07 18:32
Open till start of tournament.
Parent - By David Evans (****) [gb] Date 2014-01-07 18:57
I have to wait until the last round to put some pressure on Paul.

i prefered the old list as i played Paul early in the tour maybe catch him cold.
:yell:
- By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2014-09-18 03:16
Just to let everyone know. I will be asking for those who made financial offers towards the prize pool to forward on their money at the start of the final round. If they want to do it earlier, that is ok. Paypal transfer is encouraged.
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2014-10-21 01:54
Now that the final round is about to begin, all those who made pledges at the start of the competition need to start sending me their money. I have received one persons so far. Thank you Scott Nichols. I will start chasing up soon.
Parent - By Scott (****) Date 2014-10-21 16:47
You are welcome Garvin and I hope it goes to a worthy opponent. :smile: Of course it won't be me thanks to the last two games, but it was fun.

Opens me up to play the spoiler in the final phase, :twisted:
- By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2014-10-26 03:16
I have sent the requests to the remaining people who made pledges of final and other support. Now just awaiting to hear back from them and their payments. Then I can list the total prize money available and allocation of prize money.
- By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2014-10-26 22:00
Just to give an update. It looks like after all the monies have been collected, there will be $700 AUD to be divided up.
- By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2014-11-02 11:04
In total, thank you to all the generous donations over the years, prizes rolled over and new donations from this year. The prize fund is $AUD 700.

1st place: $300
2nd place: $200
3rd place: $150

Best game prize: $50

As usual, to clarify, there are no tie break formulas or procedures in WBCCC, so if there is a tie for a certain place, the prize money will be evenly shared. So if there is a 3 way tie for 1st- the $300, 200 and $150 are pooled together and divided equally to make $217 each.

All prizes are paid out in AUD and I will attempt to use paypal first. I do understand that paypal is not accepted in some countries (India) and so will work around this matter if it is required.
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2014-12-09 23:41
Unless there is some major change that I am not aware of, or circumstance arise between now and the end of the event, the placings are:

Equal 1st: ($AUD250 each)

David Evans
Jitan Stribal

Equal 3rd: ($AUD75 each)

Michael Glatthaar
Pawel Sekowski
Parent - - By David Evans (****) [gb] Date 2014-12-09 23:53
Who is judging the best game..
Parent - By Scott (****) Date 2014-12-10 00:12

> Who is judging the best game..


Kappatoo did a great job last year, or maybe have a poll, I dunno, Garvin always comes up with good solutions. (I know mine won't be in there rightfully. My worst perf. ever. I don't think I played real bad, it's just that the competition is so strong in this event)

David's game against Paul will be a favorite, but also anybody who won with the black pieces IMHO.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2014-12-10 22:12
I don't think anyone asked kappatoo.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2014-12-10 02:47
Looks Odd, Isn't it should be....
Equal First 150 AUD each
Equal Second 100 AUD each
Parent - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2014-12-10 04:42
correctly done, congrats and you are welcome for that full point to the 3rd placers.  :wink:
- By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2014-12-10 00:49
Simple solution.

I will be sole and final judge. Everyone who FINISHED THE EVENT gets to nominate any of the games from WBCCC 2014, and then I will look through them, as well as the threads that were going at the time for comments, thoughts etc and make a determination.

Nominations close 3 days from now. So start nominating. Condition of nomination. If you see a game already nominated, do not try and nominated it a second time. That will not bias the judge in any way :razz:
- - By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2014-12-12 00:49
I know there has been some back and forth about the prize money and its allocation, but I just want to check, do I actually need to reply any more and clarify any more points about who has finished where and what amounts are being awarded?
Parent - By David Evans (****) [gb] Date 2014-12-12 01:28
You was clear enough on your first post.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2014-12-12 10:28
:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
- By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2014-12-18 09:37
Change of decision- now that all prizes have been decided, I am going to pay out all the prizes with one game remaining, since that final game has no bearing on the final placings. So I require the paypal addresses of the four winners. Please contact me by private message with further instructions.
- By Garvin Gray (****) Date 2014-12-20 06:11
All prize money has now been paid out.
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