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- - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2013-11-09 09:17
It's about to kick off any moment now:

http://chennai2013.fide.com/anand-carlsen-video-with-commentary/

..and the main site is http://chennai2013.fide.com/
Parent - - By Ernst (***) Date 2013-11-09 10:06 Edited 2013-11-09 10:12
Video coverage seems down to me, does it work for others?

Edit: Coverage is up again as they switched to another streaming service.
Parent - - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2013-11-09 10:09
Parent - - By Ernst (***) Date 2013-11-09 10:12
Thanks for the info.
Parent - - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2013-11-09 10:18
There also appears to be a stream here by chessnetwork: http://www.twitch.tv/ChessNetwork

..and another stream here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH_5Ko7QCi8
Parent - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) Date 2013-11-09 11:07
draw
Parent - - By CumnorChessClub (***) Date 2013-11-09 18:08
Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) Date 2013-11-10 10:49
I like this option, it has was the official feed lacks, strong computer evaluation.
Parent - By jammy (***) Date 2013-11-10 10:57
Yes also interesting to see how different they are not only to each other but also to what the players themselves think/play
- - By Anthony.R.Brown (***) Date 2013-11-09 12:15
WCC-2013 Game 01 - Carlsen v Anand - Rubbish!!

Event "WCC-2013-Game 01-Carlsen-Anand-Rubbish!!"]
[Date "2013.11.09"]
[Round "01"]
[White "Carlsen"]
[Black "Anand"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 g6 3. Bg2 Bg7 4. d4 c6 5. O-O Nf6 6. b3 O-O 7. Bb2 Bf5
8. c4 Nbd7 9. Nc3 dxc4 10. bxc4 Nb6 11. c5 Nc4 12. Bc1 Nd5 13. Qb3 Na5
14. Qa3 Nc4 15. Qb3 Na5 16. Qa3 Nc4 1/2-1/2

Carlsen you better get some Sleep? and Play more Aggressive than that Rubbish!!

A.R.B

Event "WCC-2013-Game 01-Carlsen-Anand-Rubbish!!"]
[Date "2013.11.09"]
[Round "01"]
[White "Carlsen"]
[Black "Anand"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 g6 3. Bg2 Bg7 4. d4 c6 5. O-O Nf6 6. b3 O-O 7. Bb2 Bf5
8. c4 Nbd7 9. Nc3 dxc4 10. bxc4 Nb6 11. c5 Nc4 12. Bc1 Nd5 13. Qb3 Na5
14. Qa3 Nc4 15. Qb3 Na5 16. Qa3 Nc4 1/2-1/2
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2013-11-09 12:42
I'm interested in what Nelson's book says about this game...did they ever get out of theory?
Parent - - By Nick (*****) Date 2013-11-09 12:56
Yes I would be too, I had 11.c5 as TN.  Anand's early g6 made for a rare move order also.
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2013-11-09 13:03
11 c5 has been played on playchess before.
Parent - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) Date 2013-11-09 13:20
12.- Nd5 was new and draw
Parent - By Nick (*****) Date 2013-11-09 13:38
Thanks, Playchess folks always breaking new territory.
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2013-11-09 13:25 Edited 2013-11-09 13:31
11.c5 I show 11 instances.
12.Bc1 I have 6.
12...Nd5 is my novelty. 

Previously seen as alternatives:

12...Qa5   MIME, Deep Rybka 4 - Bouddha#77, Deep Rybka 4, 1/2-1/2, 2010.08.04.  Also Stockfish 28-10-2013-Houdini 3 Pro, 1-0, 2013.10.29--very recent.

12...Ne4   Cricri, Fritz 7 - Jabba the Hurt, Shredder 8, 1-0, 306eme TOUR DRAHA, 2005.03.04.  Also Wagner, Fl (2249) - Aring, G. (2205), 1-0, Stuttgart International Open, 2011.06.04.

12...e5     Rodin 4.0 - GreKo 8.2, 1-0, CCRL 40/40, 2011.09.06.

12...e6     Haas, Bernhard - Brunkow, Axel, 1-0, GER email, 2008.12.12.

I particularly enjoy seeing that 2005 game.  Note that 5 of 6 were white wins here.
Parent - - By Nick (*****) Date 2013-11-09 13:37
Thanks!

> I particularly enjoy seeing that 2005 game.


Were you one of the participants? 

I hope that Carlsen can mix it up a bit more in his future white games, Vishy must not be unhappy!
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2013-11-09 13:40

> Were you one of the participants?


No, but I remember those nicks back then.  And what is one to think of Fritz 7 getting there first?  I feel more validated than ever that the ancient games are still worthwhile.
Parent - - By Nick (*****) Date 2013-11-09 13:48
Given this:

> Stockfish 28-10-2013-Houdini 3 Pro, 1-0, 2013.10.29--very recent


does that mean that Peter Heine Nielsen was behind "Stockfish" I wonder? :grin:
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2013-11-09 14:03 Edited 2013-11-09 14:05
Inquiring minds want to know. 

Do you remember my greatest WC database coup?  First game of the Anand-Gelfand WC match I came up with a game that duplicated the first 19 moves, and some reporter in Moscow alluded to that in a press conference the next day.
Parent - By Nick (*****) Date 2013-11-09 14:35

> I came up with a game that duplicated the first 19 moves, and some reporter in Moscow alluded to that in a press conference the next day.


Congratulations!  Stay vigilant and you may top even that this time.  http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-08/chess/43821661_1_viswanathan-anand-real-tournament-situation-magnus-carlsen suggests that PHN could be a Carlsen second, but who knows?  I see that Peter Lek0.00 is one of Anand's seconds which could explain the draw in game 1 :grin:
Parent - - By Anthony.R.Brown (***) Date 2013-11-09 14:50 Edited 2013-11-09 19:07
OK! ...

After a long think about this Game 1 Because I could Not! Understand how Carlsen could give

Anand such an Easy first game? Considering Carlsen had the  White Pieces! I am Sure this was a

Deliberate Psychological Draw! By Carlsen & his Team!... Almost as good as Fischer Not turning up

for Game 1 against Spassky (1972)  :)

Now Anand is Relaxed thinking this is how the Match is going to go!? He is in a False State of

Confidence! Expect Fireworks in Game 2 as Carlsen unleashes the Preparation for a Win with Black!

Then the table will be turned!...as Carlsen get's another Win with White in Game 3 Now Anand has

BIG! Problems adjusting to this Situation! Followed by another Draw or two!

P.S This Draw was far too Easy looking! Almost like Carlsen playing against Carlsen  :)

A.R.B
Parent - By jammy (***) Date 2013-11-10 11:16

> Expect Fireworks in Game 2 as Carlsen unleashes the Preparation for a Win with Black!


Wrong.....AGAIN :lol:
- - By Anthony.R.Brown (***) Date 2013-11-10 12:58
[Event "WCC-2013-Game 02-Anand-Carlsen-Rubbish!!-2"]
[Date "2013.11.10"]
[Round "02"]
[White "Anand"]
[Black "Carlsen"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bf5 5. Ng3 Bg6 6. h4 h6 7. Nf3 e6 8.
Ne5 Bh7 9. Bd3 Bxd3 10. Qxd3 Nd7 11. f4 Bb4+ 12. c3 Be7 13. Bd2 Ngf6 14.
O-O-O O-O 15. Ne4 Nxe4 16. Qxe4 Nxe5 17. fxe5 Qd5 18. Qxd5 cxd5 19. h5 b5
20. Rh3 a5 21. Rf1 Rac8 22. Rg3 Kh7 23. Rgf3 Kg8 24. Rg3 Kh7 25. Rgf3 Kg8
1/2-1/2

[Event "WCC-2013-Game 02-Anand-Carlsen-Rubbish!!-2"]
[Date "2013.11.10"]
[Round "02"]
[White "Anand"]
[Black "Carlsen"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bf5 5. Ng3 Bg6 6. h4 h6 7. Nf3 e6 8.
Ne5 Bh7 9. Bd3 Bxd3 10. Qxd3 Nd7 11. f4 Bb4+ 12. c3 Be7 13. Bd2 Ngf6 14.
O-O-O O-O 15. Ne4 Nxe4 16. Qxe4 Nxe5 17. fxe5 Qd5 18. Qxd5 cxd5 19. h5 b5
20. Rh3 a5 21. Rf1 Rac8 22. Rg3 Kh7 23. Rgf3 Kg8 24. Rg3 Kh7 25. Rgf3 Kg8
1/2-1/2

[Event "WCC-2013-Game 02-Anand-Carlsen-Better!"]
[Date "2013.11.10"]
[Round "02"]
[White "Anand"]
[Black "Carlsen"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nf6 5. Nxf6+ exf6 6. Nf3 Bd6 7. Bd3
O-O 8. O-O

Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2013-11-10 13:07
Your 4...Nf6 alternative is neither the best move nor the mainline in GM play.  At the end of your line, I think that white has a clearly better position.
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2013-11-10 15:42
Agree with the two points in your first sentence.  Do not agree with your second sentence.  The position is playable for white.  If ARB is saying the line is optimal for black then I disagree with him, too.
Parent - By jammy (***) Date 2013-11-10 16:32 Edited 2013-11-10 16:42

>Agree with the two points in your first sentence


Agree there, plus from what I have seen 6.c3 is also used more now.. not that it really matters either way, this line was not played :neutral:

Im sure if someone like a.r.b. had been there to give advice to Carlsen he would have played much better :roll:
Parent - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) Date 2013-11-10 16:00 Edited 2013-11-10 16:03
18. Qg4 f5 19. Qg6 Qxa2 20. Bxh6 Rf7 21. g4 and f4 or fxg4 was draw before

9. Qh5!? is interesting
Parent - - By albitex (***) Date 2013-11-10 16:25
What is this mockery? :mad: I wish I were a spectator ticket money back!
Parent - - By jammy (***) Date 2013-11-12 14:07
At least No 3 longer, also think Carlsen had a bit of luck not to lose maybe.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2013-11-13 03:57
Perhaps, though it might be difficult for black to win even after 29...Bxb2.  I played out the game on Stockfish 051013 on my quad-core at a time control of 150'+120".  Certainly after move 45, this looks clearly drawn:

[Event "Shootout (Stockfish5113644-CPU, Blitz:150'+120"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[PlyCount "147"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 g6 3. c4 dxc4 4. Qa4+ Nc6 5. Bg2 Bg7 6. Nc3 e5 7. Qxc4 Nge7 8.
O-O O-O 9. d3 h6 10. Bd2 Nd4 11. Nxd4 exd4 12. Ne4 c6 13. Bb4 Be6 14. Qc1 Bd5
15. a4 b6 16. Bxe7 Qxe7 17. a5 Rab8 18. Re1 Rfc8 19. axb6 axb6 20. Qf4 Rd8 21.
h4 Kh7 22. Nd2 Be5 23. Qg4 h5 24. Qh3 Be6 25. Qh1 c5 26. Ne4 Kg7 27. Ng5 b5 28.
e3 dxe3 29. Rxe3 Bxb2 30. Rae1 {-1.51/33 242} Rb6 {-1.59/34 243} 31. Bd5 {
-1.55/35 324} Bd4 {-1.15/36 316} 32. Rxe6 {-1.25/36 419} fxe6 {-1.55/37 229}
33. Rxe6 {-1.05/38 473} Qf8 {-1.11/39 361} 34. Qg2 {-1.11/40 362} Rdd6 {
-1.05/40 1096} 35. Kf1 {-1.05/40 363} c4 {-1.05/38 264} 36. f4 {-1.05/40 1066}
Rxe6 {(c3) -1.05/39 249} 37. Nxe6+ {-1.05/39 250} Rxe6 {-1.05/40 337} 38. Bxe6
{-1.05/40 567} Qa3 {-1.05/40 474} 39. Qb7+ {-1.05/40 189} Kh6 {-1.05/41 346}
40. Bg8 {-1.05/42 239} Qxd3+ {-1.05/44 236} 41. Kg2 {-1.05/46 104} Qe2+ {
-0.90/48 1185} 42. Kh3 {-0.90/49 339} Qf1+ {-0.90/49 323} 43. Qg2 {-0.90/49 336
} Qxg2+ {(Qg1) -0.90/44 203} 44. Kxg2 {-0.90/12 0} c3 {(Kg7) -0.90/50 293} 45.
Bb3 {-0.90/52 129} b4 {(Bb6) -0.90/51 201} 46. Kf1 {-0.90/53 288} Bb6 {
(Kg7) -0.90/54 313} 47. Ke2 {-0.90/54 308} Kg7 {-0.60/54 554} 48. Bc2 {
-0.60/54 372} Kf6 {-0.60/54 207} 49. Ba4 {-0.60/54 329} Kf5 {-0.60/54 427} 50.
Kf3 {-0.60/55 218} Bg1 {(Ba7) -0.60/51 256} 51. Bb3 {-0.60/54 339} Kf6 {
(Bd4) -0.76/53 291} 52. Ke2 {-0.88/49 217} Bc5 {(Ke7) -0.88/52 229} 53. Bc2 {
-0.88/54 312} Bd4 {(Ba7) -0.88/52 237} 54. Kf3 {-0.88/53 199} Ke6 {
(Ke7) -0.88/50 201} 55. Bb3+ {-0.88/51 304} Ke7 {-0.88/50 200} 56. Ke2 {
-0.88/52 281} Bb6 {(Bg1) -0.88/52 1010} 57. Bc2 {-0.88/52 293} Ke6 {
(Bc5) -0.60/44 161} 58. Bd1 {-0.60/47 230} Kf5 {(Bd8) -0.60/48 158} 59. Kf3 {
-0.60/51 142} Bc5 {(Kf6) -0.60/49 186} 60. Bb3 {-0.60/49 256} Bg1 {
(Kf6) -0.60/51 198} 61. Bd5 {-0.60/51 178} Bb6 {(Kf6) -0.60/52 198} 62. Bb3 {
-0.60/54 266} Bd4 {(Kf6) -0.60/54 244} 63. Bc2+ {-0.60/55 277} Kf6 {
-0.60/55 241} 64. Bb3 {-0.60/55 271} Bc5 {(Bb6) -0.60/53 178} 65. Ke2 {
-0.60/54 267} Bg1 {-0.60/54 234} 66. Kf3 {-0.60/54 183} Bb6 {(Ke7) -0.60/54 231
} 67. Ke2 {-0.60/53 235} Ba7 {-0.60/54 151} 68. Kf3 {-0.60/53 258} Kf5 {
-0.60/53 564} 69. Bd5 {-0.60/54 295} Bb8 {(Bd4) -0.60/50 210} 70. Bb3 {
-0.60/51 242} Bc7 {-0.16/51 1273} 71. Bc2+ {(Ba4) -0.16/50 188} Kf6 {
(Ke6) -0.16/51 138} 72. Ke4 {-0.16/53 226} Bd6 {(Bb6) -0.16/49 134} 73. Kd5 {
-0.16/51 215} Be7 {(Bf8) -0.16/49 122} 74. Kc4 {-0.16/55 162} 1/2-1/2
Parent - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2013-11-13 12:05
Same thing with Deep Rybka 4.1, which I adjourned as it is a clear draw (white can sacrifice the bishop on the c-pawn and get a well-known draw, as black's bishop is on the wrong color):

[Event "Blitz:150'+120""]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "110"]
[TimeControl "9000+120"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 g6 3. c4 dxc4 4. Qa4+ Nc6 5. Bg2 Bg7 6. Nc3 e5 7. Qxc4 Nge7 8.
O-O O-O 9. d3 h6 10. Bd2 Nd4 11. Nxd4 exd4 12. Ne4 c6 13. Bb4 Be6 14. Qc1 Bd5
15. a4 b6 16. Bxe7 Qxe7 17. a5 Rab8 18. Re1 Rfc8 19. axb6 axb6 20. Qf4 Rd8 21.
h4 Kh7 22. Nd2 Be5 23. Qg4 h5 24. Qh3 Be6 25. Qh1 c5 26. Ne4 Kg7 27. Ng5 b5 28.
e3 dxe3 29. Rxe3 Bxb2 30. Rae1 {-1.13/21 591} Rb6 {-1.05/22 557} 31. Bd5 {
-1.05/22 417} Bd4 {-1.05/23 617} 32. Rxe6 {-1.17/22 596} fxe6 {-1.17/23 240}
33. Rxe6 {-1.17/23 314} Qf8 {-1.17/23 317} 34. Qg2 {-1.16/23 602} Rdd6 {
-1.16/24 392} 35. Re2 {(Kf1) -1.09/22 846} b4 {-1.19/24 813} 36. Ne6+ {
-1.19/24 560} Rxe6 {-1.19/25 112} 37. Rxe6 {-1.19/25 212} Rxe6 {-1.19/24 671}
38. Bxe6 {-1.19/26 106} Qe8 {-1.23/27 802} 39. Qe4 {(Bc4) -1.11/27 2194} Qb8 {
-1.01/27 403} 40. Qf3 {-1.01/27 279} b3 {-1.01/28 338} 41. Qf7+ {-1.01/27 242}
Kh6 {-1.01/28 100} 42. Bxb3 {-1.01/28 699} Qxg3+ {-1.01/28 267} 43. Kf1 {
-1.01/29 333} Qxd3+ {-1.01/28 949} 44. Kg2 {-1.01/29 326} Qe4+ {-0.90/28 464}
45. Qf3 {-0.90/30 275} Qxf3+ {-0.90/30 832} 46. Kxf3 {-0.90/32 63} g5 {
-0.86/35 446} 47. hxg5+ {-0.87/36 366} Kxg5 {-0.87/37 143} 48. Bd5 {
-0.87/38 585} h4 {-0.87/39 819} 49. Be6 {-0.87/39 473} Kf6 {-0.87/41 791} 50.
Bc4 {-0.87/41 421} Kf5 {-0.87/41 343} 51. Bd3+ {-0.87/41 519} Kg5 {-0.87/41 649
} 52. Bf1 {-0.87/41 1176} Bf6 {-0.87/41 758} 53. Bb5 {-0.87/40 912} Kf5 {
-0.87/40 762} 54. Bd3+ {-0.87/40 383} Ke5 {-0.87/41 653} 55. Kg4 {-0.87/41 589}
Kd4 {-0.87/40 305} *
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-11-15 22:08
Carlson draws first blood! :cool:
Parent - - By jammy (***) Date 2013-11-21 14:46
Well it would seem this match will be over soon, cannot see Anand making up three points now.
Parent - - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2013-11-22 00:17
Yeah that sucks! :-/

Be nice if he could at least win a game!
Parent - - By mocha1961 (***) Date 2013-11-22 01:33
carlsen will win more. anand is history. and carlsen will be the reigning champ for the next 20 yrs. and he will break the 3000 rating barrier.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2013-11-22 04:38
There are other young upstarts coming up who are looking even more promising than was Carlsen when he was their age.  One of them could easily beat him in a match in a decade or so, especially if the current trend of shorter matches continues.  We should get back to the 24-game match system, or at least 16 games.  To break 3000 elo, Carlsen will need a lot more opponents significantly over 2800 elo.  I don't think it will happen, but I think he can break 2900 elo within a few years.
Parent - By jammy (***) Date 2013-11-22 09:44 Edited 2013-11-22 09:46

>There are other young upstarts coming up who are looking even more promising than was Carlsen


>We should get back to the 24-game match system, or at least 16 games


Agree on both points.

I also think Carlsen was/is maybe the vanguard of a number of young players who are very strong compared to players of old.

With the way China is going with its players, the World Championship could be heading that way :neutral:
- - By mocha1961 (***) Date 2013-11-22 17:23
and the winner is CARLSEN. :wink:
Parent - - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2013-11-22 21:17
Yep, and the match was kind of one sided imo. Was hoping to see more from Anand :-/
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2013-11-23 03:26
Nonetheless, in terms of "performance rating", the two played almost exactly like what one would expect, especially considering the fact that Carlsen is probably still somewhat underrated.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2013-11-24 00:41
I blame HIARCS for Anand's weak preparation. What will he use next time? Crafty? :twisted:
Parent - - By mocha1961 (***) Date 2013-11-24 00:48
he will use chessbuddy next time. :lol:
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2013-11-24 01:00
Thanks for the reference! :lol:

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