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Parent - - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-17 22:34
I am speaking as ME, UNLESS I say otherwise.  And in the case of an appeal, I have ALWAYS explicitly stated "I would be willing to hear an appeal, but I have NO IDEA what the ICGA board is willing to do."  Get off of that train of thought.  It's been derailed.

The board IS the highest authority in the ICGA.  The charter lays that out clearly.

Please stop implying things that are completely false.  There IS communication between the board and the secretariat/panel.  But the board DOES have the final decision-making power, the secretariat/panel merely presents evidence.

Not only didn't I know there was an appeal, I have not seen anything that even remotely suggests that anything other than Ed's emails have been sent to David, other than the ONE email from Vas indicating that he did want Ed to represent him.  If you don't care what I think or thought, feel free to ignore it...
Parent - - By Ugh (*****) [gb] Date 2013-10-17 23:14
I am speaking as ME, UNLESS I say otherwise.


Lots of ego issues there. Probably explains why it is pointless discussing with you until we can get past the ME ME ME RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT problem.
Parent - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-18 00:22
Ego issues because I say I speak for myself as opposed to an entire organization?

Have you looked up the definition of "ego"?  This is the exact opposite...
Parent - - By siam (**) [nl] Date 2013-10-14 18:09
Still not narcissistic?

Man you got all the signs of it! Really obsessed by Vas.

A real narcissistic will of course deny that he is one.
Parent - - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-14 19:04
This has NOTHING to do with "me".  Sorry.  You should get a refund on that psychology degree.
Parent - - By siam (**) [nl] Date 2013-10-15 05:00
Denial denial denial
Parent - - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-15 15:22
nonsense, nonsense, nonsense.
Parent - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2013-10-15 15:48
Lies, lies, lies.
Parent - - By M ANSARI (*****) [kw] Date 2013-10-15 05:56
Why are you so adamantly against an appeal ???  If there is nothing to hide why shy from it?  You seem absolutely sure that Vas is guilty and it would seem that you would relish this opportunity to prove your point.  Let the truth be the final judge.  Maybe Levy has finally realized what a total idiot he was and is trying to find a way to avoid a defamation lawsuit?
Parent - By Mark (****) [us] Date 2013-10-15 14:54
Is it clear that the appeal will be based on the actual source code from R2.2n? If so, I don't see how an appeal can be denied. Details would have to be worked out regarding whether an independent programmer will review the code, or whether portions of it will be published for all to see, etc.
Parent - - By Rebel (****) Date 2013-10-14 16:57

>I do not know David's thought processes,


I know Jaap and David for 30+ years, they know I don't talk nonsense and during the conversation they never asked me for proof. The fact I asked Vas to ratify is because you called me a liar here creating doubt.

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?pid=486727#pid486727
Parent - - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-14 19:11
Which time are you talking about?  The time on Oct 2 that you claimed Vas had been denied an appeal, when David's email was dated Oct 5?  The time you claimed Mark had changed his mind and I asked you to show ANY evidence to support that, since I have had communcations from Mark in the last 30 days and nothing has suggested any change of mind at all.

"They know you don't talk nonsense?"

:)

That is all you have been talking.  Your web information is and always has been a complete joke.  Fortunately more and more are noticing that.

The link you posted takes you to a perfect example.

And Vas did NOT originate this, of course.
Parent - - By Rebel (****) Date 2013-10-14 19:33

>Your web information is and always has been a complete joke.  Fortunately more and more are noticing that.


So far the poll results speak against you, just one NO vote. You are invited to double it.

I can't possibly think of a reason why you would oppose an appeal other than being argumentative, extreme dislike for Vas, fear the verdict will be annihilated, you being wrong. Oh wait, that are already 4 reasons.
Parent - - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-14 19:48
I don't care about the poll.  Don't intend to vote, don't care about the totals.  It is wasted effort.

I have already told you SPECIFICALLY that I would indeed support an appeal.  ONLY if Vas initiates it and intends to take part.  Having an appeal with you speaking for him won't happen if I get a vote.  Since he didn't ask for an appeal, logic would say he is not interested and will not participate.  NO is the answer to that, period.
Parent - - By Ugh (*****) [fr] Date 2013-10-14 20:05
You appear to be operating under the farcical assumption that the appeal or retrial or reexamination process or whatever it gets called is going to be carried out by the ICGA, let alone with YOU having any role at all. The ICGA will have to agree to recognise the verdict of an INDEPENDENT examination process. Did you imagine Vas was asking that YOU heard his appeal? Very funny.
Parent - - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-14 20:23
It will be carried out by the ICGA or it won't be carried out.  Private organization can make its own rules and enforce them.  The ICGA doesn't have to agree to anything, sorry.
Parent - - By Ugh (*****) [fr] Date 2013-10-14 20:45
Gangsters make their own rules and enforce them. Everybody else operates to civilised standards and the rule of law.
Parent - - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-14 20:50
No they don't.  Most operate on rules of logic and evidence.  This is not a legal issue.  It is a civil issue.
Parent - - By Ugh (*****) [fr] Date 2013-10-14 22:09
No they don't.  Most operate on rules of logic and evidence.

you mean this sort of logic and evidence?
1.  We have not seen an actual appeal.
2.  We have NEVER seen anything to show our evidence was wrong.

what kind of logic is it that allows you to see and not see at the same time? Schroedinger's logic? Turn the lights off logic?

Sorry, but you sound just like Ed. And JUST as dishonest.
Hmm, that's two people you manage to accuse of being liars in one sentence.

It is a civil issue.
But you're not very "civil", are you?
Parent - - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-14 22:49
To appeal a case, at LEAST in US court, you have to explain the grounds you have for the appeal.  New evidence, which you have to provide as part of the appeal, for example.  So far there has been NOTHING.
Parent - - By user923005 (****) [us] Date 2013-10-14 23:48
How about improper representation?

In a US court, you can retain an attorney or have one appointed for you.
Vas had no representation whatsoever.
Parent - - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-14 23:57
He was given the opportunity to join, AND to invite anyone he wanted to join with him.  He declined.  You CAN decline an attorney in US courts.  And that does NOT become a valid reason for an appeal.
Parent - - By user923005 (****) [us] Date 2013-10-15 00:05
The one contrary voice was kicked off the panel.
It was clear that he was not going to get a fair shake.
It is obvious to all that Vas had no representation of any kind including any sort of voice to argue on his behalf.
If you choose to represent yourself, that is another matter.
I do not think that is what happened.
Parent - - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-15 00:20
Ed was on the panel and was NOT "kicked off".  He "left in a huff because Chris did not get in."

Vas could have easily spoken up.  He had several invitations to do so.  He declined.  Story is over.  Most likely never to be addressed again, now...
Parent - - By user923005 (****) [us] Date 2013-10-15 00:53
Re:"Most likely never to be addressed again, now... "

Right.  Just like I said.
Parent - - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-15 04:00
But not for the REASON(S) you "said".  Vas is not interested.
Parent - By AWRIST (****) Date 2013-10-15 09:01
I see a moment in future, when people like Levy & Hyatt are eager to correct their false verdict against Rajlich in their own interest. So I support those who found all kind of counter arguments against the scandalous outsingling of the Rybka author. In such a case the ethics of science alone must be followed and who did appeal or didnt or how and in what way, all this has no meaning. Therefore I expect that those who violate the dignity of Vas as a human being remain active and in office because they guarantee all the inhumanities which will lead us to a revolution. Not to think about the dangerous consequences if another President for Levy would decide to negotiate - or other members of the club would think about their potential economical income which is made impossible by the Hyatt&Levy system. :twisted:
Parent - By user923005 (****) [us] Date 2013-10-14 23:47
Re "what kind of logic is it that allows you to see and not see at the same time? Schroedinger's logic? Turn the lights off logic?"

They broke open the bottle of prussic acid before they put Vas into the box.
Parent - - By Charles (**) Date 2013-10-14 21:29
The below e-mail correspondence from Vasik Rajlich to David Levy, on March 2, 2011, has been linked to and posted about several times in this forum.

Is it to be understood that Vasik Rajlich received no reply from David Levy regarding this e-mail?

This part of the below e-mail was a question being asked of David Levy. It was not a statement. The very next sentence in the e-mail only gives the reason for the question.

>could we have the final hearings in October or November?


***************************************************

From: Vasik Rajlich
Subject: Re: Open letter to the ICGA about the Rybka-Fruit issue
To: "David Levy"
Cc: "Larry Kaufman"
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 7:21 AM

Hi David,

I prefer to plead my case with the final arbiter rather than with the accusers.

Re. the schedule - could we have the final hearings in October or November? I'd like to prepare properly, and my schedule is very full until the first week in October.

Best regards,
Vas

***************************************************
Parent - - By Rebel (****) Date 2013-10-15 10:12
The correspondence is what was found on the ICGA website including the email addresses. All I did was to remove the email addresses. As such it can't be claimed with 100% certainty there was no response from David Levy.
Parent - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-15 16:01
There were several responses.  I quoted one paragraph from the email that was the FIRST response to Vas' email.  Once we turned in the final report, David notified Vas, and asked for input multiple times, giving him 30 days eventually, as a deadline.
Parent - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-15 16:00
They only report what they want you to see (Ed/Chris).

David DID respond to that email.  A lengthy reply pointing out that once the panel submitted the report, the clock would be ticking and he would have a limited time to respond.  He suggested, clearly and forcefully, that it would be far better to join in the panel discussions rather than waiting.

Once we turned in the final report, David prompted Vas for a reply and eventually gave him a 30 day window to respond.  Nothing happened.

He was prompted multiple times as the window ran down.  Nothing.

Here is one part of David's reply to the above email you quoted, near the end of it in fact:

Finally, the time to plead with the "final arbiter" (the ICGA) will be when the forum discussion comes to and end and the Secretariat has submitted its report on the forum's deliberations, conclusions and recommendations to the ICGA. You can not set your own timetable for any of this. The analogy you should consider is a court of law, where the defendant is not the one who chooses the dates of the hearings.
Parent - - By buffos (Silver) [gr] Date 2013-10-17 10:10
There is a simple way.

Make a lawsuit and ask for money, on grounds of hurting Rybka name, sales and giving the author a bad reputation.

Its easy. You dont have to be on defense. Go on OFFENSE and make them prove in a court of law by law standards that Rybka is a fraud.

Then sit back and enjoy how easily everything will change and who will be asking for settling.

When you think you are the highest authority , you are playing God.
Parent - - By bob (Gold) [us] Date 2013-10-17 15:25
Not so simple when you KNOW there is copied code present.  The expression "hoist on your own petard" is most applicable here.
Parent - - By Mr.Antipyrine [us] Date 2013-10-22 00:08 Edited 2013-10-22 13:03
Bob, I think you need to realize that Crafty is rubbish and Vas is twice the programmer that you are.

Edit: this part of the post removed by moderation.  Such statements will not be tolerated.
Parent - - By Scott (****) Date 2013-10-22 00:19
Ever notice how trolls never have a name. I have bob on ignore, but this idiot is going there too I'm afraid. :cool:
Parent - By Scott (****) Date 2013-10-22 00:22
I would that arryie too, but it's nice to know what the extreme far left fringe is doing, probably still trying to sign up for Obumacare.
Parent - By thierrycatalan (**) [fr] Date 2013-10-22 16:28
For a novice observer and naif,  from France, ICGA and Bob,  about Rajlich,  are like a tomb : white on the outside and full of rot on the inside.
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