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- - By Italian81 (****) Date 2007-12-10 06:53
If there is anyone on here that is familiar with www.playbuddy.com on it is a program that can play chess for you automatically on yahoo or pogo.  I use this program to play other computers and I analyze the games and pgn files to better my own knowledge of the game.  I have noticed that these buddies are very limited in what they can do.

I am looking for someone who can write me a program that is better than the p()go chess buddy.

My ideal program would have similar features but also the option to be able to use opening books  .ctg or .abk files
Be able to use any winboard or UCI engine
better response to time remaining in a game........
an option to be able to use 3-4-5 EGTB
and a few other creative ideas......However the Opening book option is a MUST.......I am a bullet chess fanatic so hit me up with an email please :)

I would be willing to pay for the program of course so please make a deal with me.  I prefer to be contacted by email not on this site so please do not reply to this posting but do so at this emaill address  Italian81@gmail.com

Thankyou very much!!
Parent - - By bayselo (*) Date 2007-12-12 06:20

> If there is anyone on here that is familiar with www.playbuddy.com on it is a program that can play chess for you automatically on yahoo or pogo.  I use this program to play other computers and I analyze the games and pgn files to better my own knowledge of the game


In other words you want a good cheating software. You don't really need this cheating software to analyze there are tons of chess GUIs and free engines there which can give you quality analysis.

Obviously you are not intending to analyze games but instead to cheat on these chess servers you mention and spoil other peoples games. I mean when I play on a chess server I expect I am playing another human except when there are "legal" computer accounts (now don't tell me you have one because yahoo or pogo or most chess sites does not support any of these and if there are any they are a few).

What do you get in these cheating anyway, this will not make you any better. Your just wasting your computer's electricity and other people's time. Please get a LIFE dude.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2007-12-12 08:07

> Your just wasting your computer's electricity and other people's time. Please get a LIFE dude.


However, being mean to cheaters isn't the solution, trying to help them to understand why cheating is bad for everyone would be better.
Parent - - By josh Date 2007-12-12 09:07
You shouldnt get so upset when you read things like this bayselo. When you play on any server , you don't know what your going to be up against to begin with. You can in no way stop cheaters.The solution is to get better at playing chess :)
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2007-12-12 09:41

> You can in no way stop cheaters.The solution is to get better at playing chess


The reason I dislike cheating is that sometimes getting better at chess makes no difference and could be discouraging.

Like when I become so good at chess that I can win my opponent's bishop and rook with some maneuvers, but he doesn't resign, and then he's putting the toughest defense as if my material advantage doesn't matter. I start to despair and to play worse, and then he gets back the material and wins.

A person that played so badly at the beginning can't play suddenly that good, and I think that he used computer help at the turning point. So, my skills didn't matter at all, the game could have been "I resign" from the beginning, why to play at all?

Sometimes they use the engine so late in the game that I still can beat them, but the difference in style and strength seems obvious. Sometimes they don't use engines at all, it's all human vs. human, those are the games I enjoy the most :) (When I lose, it was my fault, not just someone switching on an engine.)
Parent - - By josh Date 2007-12-12 10:09
When I lose, it was my fault, not just someone switching on an engine

Exactly , although one can't complain about playing on a site that is free. Pay-sites have methods of weeding out cheaters.Yahoo and pogo won't take any actions.
Parent - By Vempele (Silver) Date 2007-12-12 10:22

>Pay-sites have methods of weeding out cheaters.


FICS and ChessPlanet do too. They're just quieter about it than PlayChess (where you see '<player> broke the rules and his rating has been reset' all the time).
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2007-12-12 10:29
The place I play in does take actions, the problem is how do you know if someone is cheating? The game in my example is just suspicious but it's not proof, FICS may take up to two weeks to find out a cheater, but I think that they are weeded out daily. And, the reason pay sites don't have cheaters, is that the cheaters can cheat at other places, so why to pay if you're going to cheat? But I still think that I shouldn't pay to play chess (since the service can be given for free, and you may still find cheaters at pay sites), though I don't visit the mess that is Yahoo or Pogo anymore.
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2007-12-12 13:05
Well, speaking just for myself, I'm sympathetic to the guy.  He's trying to find a better solution than what he's got.  He is encouraging us to build a better mousetrap.  Leaving the ethical and mental health issues out of it, what he proposes would be quite a challenge, I think.  Think about what he's asking--he wants something that will work in 1+0 games.  It seems to me there would necessarily be latency issues and even with a great opening book you might wind up out of book and nearly out of time.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2007-12-12 21:32
I never heard about 1+0 time control stopping cheaters at these places, but creating such a program would increase the number of cheaters.

Imagine someone that wants to cheat like that but finds that it doesn't work as expected and stops cheating. On the other hand, if such a program existed, once google has it on its database, the cheater would be able to find it and use it to cheat, and probably to tell his friends about it and they will probably cheat too.

Making cheat easier only benefits cheating. It's like manufacturing guns, you're not killing persons directly but more people will die (In this case, instead of dying, just more people will be cheated.)
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2007-12-13 01:32
Wow, in such a short message you used variants of the word 'cheat' ten times.  I guess you must think the guy is a cheater.

Take a broader look.  Anyone who plays 1+0 is basically playing on synapses.  If you had a good opening book and played 1+0 you would, in effect, be playing a different kind of mental trick, especially if you created the software yourself.

I haven't played on the Yahoo server in years because the place has a lawless, wild west aspect.  In my view, if you are going there you had better be packing a gun, and if you can manage it, a machine gun.  Call me a cheater if you want. 
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2007-12-13 02:12
Well, the last time I visited Yahoo I was pretty bored as I was beating everyone with ease, it was on the beginner lounge or the social lobby, I think...

On Pogo the game is about capturing the most opponent's pieces as possible, and making the game the longest, as you get rewarded with tokens, and maximizing them is the point of the game (That may not resemble chess...)

If you think that cheating is OK because you go into a place full of cheaters, and so it's a must or otherwise you get cheated, then it's your opinion. But if most people cheats there then maybe they should rename it Yahoo Cheater Chess, or something.

About the word 'cheat', do you think that I'm overusing it and that I should be using synonyms  instead?
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2007-12-13 03:51 Edited 2007-12-13 04:00
If everyone is cheating, then what has happened is that the "rules" have been amended by popular demand.  Same thing happened during Prohibition and when the national speed limit was 55 MPH.  If Yahoo (the "government" in this domain) won't enforce rules, then rules are a dead letter and anything goes.  Until very recently my state had an 1877 law on the books making cohabitation a misdemeanor offense.  I doubt anyone in the state had been arrested for that in many decades.  It seems unwise to ignore popular sovereignty.

Incidentally I am not endorsing cheating.  I am only saying Yahoo is a lawless environment full of hooligans, ruffians and bandits.  A factual statement.  Years ago I remember watching one psychotic on that site who spent hour after hour teasing people with 10+0 minute games, then changing the time control to 1+0 each time someone went after the bait, hoping the unwary opponent wouldn't notice.  Hour after hour!  Can you even imagine such a level of debased depravity?  I am sure he must have tortured animals as a child.

In such a place you can go in and preach against sin if you want, or you can be the toughest bad-ass in town.  Your choice.
Parent - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2007-12-13 04:28
Interesting that you note the 55 mph speed limit as an example--I think that's a bit different, though, especially since the highways are generally made for traffic traveling safely between 70 mph and 80 mph.  It began, of course, in the 1970's during the oil crisis as a means to save gasoline.  However, the reason that it was repealed in the 1990's is that study after study was showing that it caused a significant increase in the number of accidents (and deadly accidents) due to the much greater traffic congestion (for those of your in Europe, the national speed limit in the United States during this period was 88 km/hr--this should give you a good idea of the scale of the calamity that existed on our highways during that time when you consider it with respect to the recommended speed of 130 km/hr on the Autobahnen and the lowest speed limits on the continent's highways of 110 km/hr).
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2007-12-13 07:00
Good stuff. Next time I get audited, I want to take you along to explain this important principle.

Alan
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2007-12-13 08:35

> If everyone is cheating, then what has happened is that the "rules" have been amended by popular demand.


That made me think, that calling it "Yahoo Cheater Chess" wouldn't make sense, since allowing cheating means that it's no longer cheating, kind of a paradox. But I still think that users should be warned that the chances of playing a computer instead of a humans are pretty high.

> Next paragraphs


Plenty of the words on there were new to me, at least I can say that "it's because I'm Mexican and English isn't my native language."

> Years ago I remember watching one psychotic on that site who spent hour after hour teasing people with 10+0 minute games, then changing the time control to 1+0 each time someone went after the bait, hoping the unwary opponent wouldn't notice.  Hour after hour!


It must be common practice, since I was victim of this. Luckily for me, I noticed the time control change and went on to win! :-D
Parent - - By Italian81 (****) Date 2007-12-13 02:11
Were you born yesterday???

www.playbuddy.com

check it out before you post with such naive nonsense
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2007-12-13 03:58
Italian, you are a highway robber, a masked bandit, a two-fisted drinker who frequents bordellos.  This site is only for high-bred Bostonians and people in the Social Register. 
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2007-12-13 07:01
:-)
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