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- - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-10 09:31
Uly,

thanks for taking on my challenge and have fun analyzing&playing!

I decided to go with:

13. Qd2 *

r1b2rk1/2qnpp1p/2pp2p1/pp6/3PP1nP/P1N2N2/1PPQBPP1/R3K2R b KQ - 1 13
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-09-14 03:33
Okay, thanks! It'll take me a while to make a move, as, by move 13 I usually have lots of analysis in the position gathered thorough the whole game, while here I have nothing :smile: - will try to have as much analysis as I'd have after the out of book moves so I don't lose very quick or something :wink:

I also rarely analyze a position for more than 40 seconds - this has costed me games, by e.g. missing refutations that I could have found by sitting in a position for 10 minutes, but where's the fun in that?! My hardware may be outdated (Q2800 - usually get crunched at playchess :lol: ) - so this will be interesting!

In the meantime, I'll properly include it in the Nightmare Challenge list.

Previous Challenge

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Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-15 06:32

> Okay, thanks! It'll take me a while to make a move, as, by move 13 I usually have lots of analysis in the position gathered thorough the whole game, while here I have nothing :smile:


No worry, i think the first few moves are pretty straightforward, but after a few moves i think black has to make good decisions... most likely i have just overseen something and i take your choice thankfully into my analysis-db. :wink: Have fun! :smile:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-09-16 01:44
Decisions are never easy, a really good move could be hiding behind a "forced" one! I even think e5 was playable here :smile:

But yes, I feel ready, bring it on!

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6

r1b2rk1/2q1pp1p/2pp1np1/pp6/3PP1nP/P1N2N2/1PPQBPP1/R3K2R w KQ -
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-16 18:42

> I also rarely analyze a position for more than 40 seconds


Interesting, this was also my approach the time i analyzed that position (60sec on a slower computer), and as i told you, it may be highly possible i have just overseen trivial things (due limits of memorisation) - in that case i have to pay with a loss for a good line for my analysis-db. :smile:

14. Ng5 *
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-09-20 21:02
My head would explode if I tried to memorize all these positions analyzed. I even remember in one of my games I transposed to a position I had analyzed recently, and that had a lot of analysis done by me, but that I didn't remember analyzing at all, so, yeah, I have to write out all the data for my games.

Anyway, here's my move, I don't know if you were expecting 14...Nh5!?

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5

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Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-20 22:42

> My head would explode if I tried to memorize all these positions analyzed.


Well, actually that happenend in my game vs. Scott... after a pretty long analysis where i surely clicked through 200+ positions i got tired/unconcentrated, and while analyzing each possible sideline in the by that time chosen 13. Qg5, i missed to finally expand the main-line in it where i would have seen that it can't work, which then would have thrown me back to the more complex 13. Qd2 we are currently analyzing/playing where at least some questionsmarks remain...

> I don't know if you were expecting 14...Nh5!?


I think that indeed would have made white's plans a lot easier :lol:, and it's avoidance plus giving place on g5 to the knight is indeed the reason why i think the queen is better off on d2 instead of g5.

15. f3 *
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-09-25 01:39
Well, let's see how this goes, I wonder at what point the position will explode in my face! :lol:

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4

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Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-25 16:37 Edited 2013-09-25 17:13

> Well, let's see how this goes, I wonder at what point the position will explode in my face! :lol:


Well, ...Ndf6+e5 was not that bad. :wink:

I take your pawn on d4 with the queen, and in case you move your g-knight to e5 i will move f4 and in case you will then move it back to g4 i will castle long:

16. Qxd4 * (Ne5 17. f4 Ng4 18. O-O-O)

r1b2rk1/2q2p1p/2pp1np1/pp4N1/3QPPnP/P1N5/1PP1B1P1/2KR3R b - - 2 18
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-09-27 18:55
Well, this line is forced but I still wanted to analyze carefully the upcoming positions.

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6

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Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-27 19:37

> Well, this line is forced but I still wanted to analyze carefully the upcoming positions.


Then my next move is hardly a surprise (as it is most likely the only playable for white... :confused:), but i at least hope 15. f3 and/or 18. O-O-O were a little surprising! :smile:

19. h5 *

r1b2rk1/2q2p2/2pp1npp/pp4NP/3QPPn1/P1N5/1PP1B1P1/2KR3R b - - 0 19
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-09-28 13:51
Yeah, I wasn't expecting f3, even though I took a brief look at it, I didn't see OOO until you had played f3.

But after this last session I think I have good drawing chances :evil:

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5

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Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-28 14:42 Edited 2013-09-28 14:49

> But after this last session I think I have good drawing chances :evil:


Yes, seems so... problem is i couldn't play the original planed 15. h6 (also because of 15...Nxh5; i expected at the time of analysis 15...h6) because Caissa didn't let it go through, and it was difficult to construct plan B) with 15. f3 and castling long later... but while it is at least ok -as in nature of most transpositions- it gives you new "outs" i obviously didn't want you to have :wink:, and well, in case of draw i not only lost the challenge, i also have to apology to Scott, and that still not being enough my beloved novelty 11. h4 is not good enough either. :sad:

20. f5 *

r1b2rk1/2q2p2/2pp2pp/pp3PNn/3QP1n1/P1N5/1PP1B1P1/2KR3R b - - 0 20
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-09-29 13:01
Ponder Hit! :twisted:

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7

r1b2rk1/4qp2/2pp2pp/pp3PNn/3QP1n1/P1N5/1PP1B1P1/2KR3R w - -
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-29 13:07

> Ponder Hit! :twisted:


:cry: :lol:

As my primary interest here is also finding "the best line", what did you have for 15. dxe5? I think there is only one very very narrow hope for black to draw, and i'm curious whether you would have found it. :smile:

21. Nh3 *

r1b2rk1/4qp2/2pp2pp/pp3P1n/3QP1n1/P1N4N/1PP1B1P1/2KR3R b - - 2 21
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-09-30 23:52
I actually never built a proper line for dxe5, I reached 15. dxe5 dxe5 16. f3 Rd8 17. Bd3 Nh6 18. h5 Nxh5 19. g4 Bxg4 20. fxg4 Nxg4 21. Rh4 Ngf6 22. Nf3, found it to be a critical position that would require too much time to analyze, not worth it if you didn't actually play it, and truncated the analysis.

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6

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Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-01 00:31

>  I reached 15. dxe5 dxe5 16. f3 Rd8 17. Bd3 Nh6 18. h5 Nxh5 19. g4 Bxg4 20. fxg4 Nxg4 21. Rh4 Ngf6 22. Nf3, found it to be a critical position that would require too much time to analyze


Correct!, will give you a few lines tomorrow! :smile:

22. Nf2 *

r1b2rk1/4qp2/2pp1npp/pp3P2/3QP1n1/P1N5/1PP1BNP1/2KR3R b - - 4 22
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-01 07:42

>  I reached 15. dxe5 dxe5 16. f3 Rd8 17. Bd3 Nh6 18. h5 Nxh5 19. g4 Bxg4 20. fxg4 Nxg4 21. Rh4 Ngf6 22. Nf3, found it to be a critical position that would require too much time to analyze


My first impression about 15. dxe5 and opening the d-line with my uncastled king was just: "This can't be good!"! In later analysis i also reached the position till move 22, found that black had no sufficent good answer after 22. Nf3 and therefore worked hard to improve the line for black when i - which was already the 7th move 21 i tried at, found this one which to me refutes the whole dxe5-line based on 25...Rxd3 - indeed confirming that opening the d-line isn't good :wink::

21...Qd7!! 22. O-O-O b4 23. Nb1 Nf4! 24. Nxh7 Qe7 25. Rxg4 Rxd3!! 26. cxd3 Qc5+ *
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-10-02 16:27
Ah, nice. I never analyzed alternatives to 21...Ngf6 at all, first I'd have wanted to understand, if it didn't work, why it didn't, but it seemed too time consuming at the time. It's clear you've been analyzing more positions than me, though :smile:

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6 22. Nf2 Nxf2

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Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-02 19:01

> first I'd have wanted to understand, if it didn't work, why it didn't


Exactly also my approach... and believe me, analyzing 20...Qe7 and seeing that (what was most likely your expected?!) 21. Nxf7 doesn't work to 21...Rxf7! 22. Bxg4 Qg5+ 23. Kb1 Qxg4 24. Qxd6 (here 24. Qb6 is practically better) Bd7! was painful first :red:, but i all i could do is search for another plan C) to keep white's attacking-potential alive! :smile:

> It's clear you've been analyzing more positions than me, though :smile:


This is one of the most fascinating positions i ever played... :surprised:

23. Qxf2 *

r1b2rk1/4qp2/2pp1npp/pp3P2/4P3/P1N5/1PP1BQP1/2KR3R b - - 0 23
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-10-05 02:56
What? No, I never expected 21. Nxf7!?

Of course, knowing it was playable, I had to take a swim in it, and, yeah, it's one of those positions where you know could be mainline but engines don't understand it. In this one engines understood Nxf7 was bad :lol:

Anyway, after this session White's variations are going downhill and they feel like nails I bump down with my hammer, I wonder if I'm missing something critical or if you'll have to try something crazy soon because you have nothing to lose since drawing is just like losing!

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6 22. Nf2 Nxf2 23. Qxf2 Ne8

r1b1nrk1/4qp2/2pp2pp/pp3P2/4P3/P1N5/1PP1BQP1/2KR3R w - -
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-05 13:42 Edited 2013-10-05 13:47

> What? No, I never expected 21. Nxf7!?


Sure. :grin:

> Anyway, after this session White's variations are going downhill and they feel like nails I bump down with my hammer,


Believe me, that hurts! :cry::confused:

> or if you'll have to try something crazy soon because you have nothing to lose since drawing is just like losing!


First of all, i have already won(!) because i found a highly motivated player(&chess-friend) in you willing to go down lines with me in this wonderful position which also helps me keeping movitation & focus, thank you for doing so. As i have already written above i'm primary interested IN THE BEST LINE (which i by the way thought or at least hoped to be won, but obviously in a no-time-limit corr-analysis&game this involves a lot(!) of work and one might oversee a lot - this already began with right transpostions, then Qe7 which i discoved pretty late -yet before you i guess- and so on), so don't expect here any kind of tricks which i have refutations myself - this makes only sense in quick or at least time-limited games... indeed that was the reason i already helped "us" out by avoiding 15. dxe5 (still i think you would have found the right moves yourself of course, yet the line you have given above lacked the right details). And to me there is also a big difference between losing a challenge or a (real-world) chess-position (indeed i see every of my white-games as a personal challenge which is enough for my motiviation, giving a challenge here to you is basically keeping you motivated as well :wink:). And if i should lose this challenge i will be happy to congratulate you for your play and drawing me and this position down, even more if i should also lose the game of course (which is most likely impossible as you won't ever see me losing a chess-game on the board). Still it was interesting seeing you calling "20...Qe7" a "ponderhit :twisted:"  (a ponder to me like to engines is played instantly WITHOUT further analysis, my Nh3 to your Qe7 for example was one) or not giving trivial conditions (what else besides 23. Qxf2 should i play to 22...Nxf2? :smile:)... so you still have a little fear, that's good. :lol:

I attached my Ne8-line and reveal the password the time you play a move i haven't in it.

24. Kb1 *

r1b1nrk1/4qp2/2pp2pp/pp3P2/4P3/P1N5/1PP1BQP1/1K1R3R b - - 2 24
Attachment: LifeWontWait.7z (6k)
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-10-09 06:57
Thanks for your patience, I know this move was forced and all, but, I just had this feeling that I was missing something, I didn't like my mainline, so I kept digging and digging, and finally found one that I like. Yeah, it's probably the same that you have included in the 7z, but it took me this long to see it (unless you're going to suprise me with a move I didn't expect soon.)

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6 22. Nf2 Nxf2 23. Qxf2 Ne8 24. Kb1 Kg7

r1b1nr2/4qpk1/2pp2pp/pp3P2/4P3/P1N5/1PP1BQP1/1K1R3R w - -


Anyway, I agree with you these games are about the journey and not the destination, like everything, so by just playing we're all winners :smile:

Your claim that beating you from the black side of this position is impossible just makes me want to try harder, wouldn't it be cool to win a Nightmare challenge from the other side?! :lol:

Of course I still have fear, a surefire way to lose this would be to examine the positions in a shallow manner and just send a bunch of conditionals, but I know I must be careful, though, it's not only looking for a draw what I've been doing in these positions :evil:
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-09 19:24 Edited 2013-10-09 19:27

> Thanks for your patience, I know this move was forced and all, but, I just had this feeling that I was missing something, I didn't like my mainline, so I kept digging and digging, and finally found one that I like.


No worry, i think black is pretty fine here or at least has a very realistic chance to draw the game... but as you said yourself, i have nothing to lose, and i will fight! (and wouldn't that be the biggest nightmare of all? A position full of traps that finally seemed so calm, but is still lost?) :lol:

> Your claim that beating you from the black side of this position is impossible just makes me want to try harder, wouldn't it be cool to win a Nightmare challenge from the other side?! :lol:


Well, that was obviously just my try to talk my position stronger :grin:... as you know, nothing is undefeatable forever, not the dinosaurs, not the roman empire or the overall human kind and obviously no single corr-chess-player... :wink: And yes, i have also seen negative evals for my position, so go for it (if i see a mistake i would give you notice in any case). :evil:

As you have seen yourself Stockfish is initially happy about a lot of move-options here, but pretty all drop to zero soon (nails get hammered)... the only other interesting move i spent a lot of time with was 25. Bf3!?, but couldn't get it to take off.

25. Qe3 *

r1b1nr2/4qpk1/2pp2pp/pp3P2/4P3/P1N1Q3/1PP1B1P1/1K1R3R b - - 4 25


giving a little conditional line:

25...Rh8 26. fxg6 fxg6 27. Rhf1 *

r1b1n2r/4q1k1/2pp2pp/pp6/4P3/P1N1Q3/1PP1B1P1/1K1R1R2 b - - 1 27
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-10-10 07:19
Hehe, not gonna fall in the trap of just accepting your conditional and deciding for a move this soon, I'm gonna take it easy! :lol:

Also, yeah, I've stopped using Stockfish for these positions since a few moves ago :wink:

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6 22. Nf2 Nxf2 23. Qxf2 Ne8 24. Kb1 Kg7 25. Qe3 Rh8 26. fxg6

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My turn again.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-10 13:42 Edited 2013-10-10 13:52

> Hehe, not gonna fall in the trap of just accepting your conditional and deciding for a move this soon, I'm gonna take it easy! :lol:


Well, i can't help myself but somehow 25. Qe3 is not the line you worked on the last days (you also worked a lot on 25. Bf3!?; in each case it would be really interesting what line you had in mind when you wrote first about "good drawing chances" - to sad there is no .7z for me :red::evil:) or at least you're not overconfident in your current defence... but you can be, its still my main-line! :grin::lol: (oh, and with the "new position" a move to the left of the thread would be nice :wink:)
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-10-13 01:37
Hehe, yeah, you got me, I wasted most of my time in the Bf3 variations, and not only that, it was in the 25.Bf3 b4 26.Ne2 bxa3 27.Qe3 Rh8?! variations, where 27...g5, which is easy to find kills the var on the spot :red: - I'm just glad it is you who has to prove you have something :lol:

Anyway, just got a fail high, which means, I know you'd not let my mainline happen, so I have no mainline currently, but this is always good!

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6 22. Nf2 Nxf2 23. Qxf2 Ne8 24. Kb1 Kg7 25. Qe3 Rh8 26. fxg6 fxg6 27. Rhf1 Rb8

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Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-13 12:42

> Hehe, yeah, you got me, I wasted most of my time in the Bf3 variations, and not only that, it was in the 25.Bf3 b4 26.Ne2 bxa3 27.Qe3 Rh8?! variations, where 27...g5, which is easy to find kills the var on the spot :red:


Yes, and believe me, with my restrictive challenge-conditions (60sec-snapshot on my slow computer) it took me ages(!) to find it... yet it isn't even the only problem in the Bf3!?-variation as far as i could see. Ok, back to "our" mainline:

28. Qd4+ *

1rb1n2r/4q1k1/2pp2pp/pp6/3QP3/P1N5/1PP1B1P1/1K1R1R2 b - - 3 28
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-10-15 03:46
Ponder hit! ;)

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6 22. Nf2 Nxf2 23. Qxf2 Ne8 24. Kb1 Kg7 25. Qe3 Rh8 26. fxg6 fxg6 27. Rhf1 Rb8 28. Qd4+ Kh7

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Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-15 07:15
Moved to the left.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2013-09-20 21:12
Hi Uly,

I wish that you would also return to discussions on "ordinary" topics.  You've been away awhile, and I (and I'm sure others, too) miss you and your contributions...
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-09-24 13:02
Hi turbo, if you want my input in some specific discussion, you can point to me to it and I'll try to state my opinion, however, I no longer have the time to spend to read EVERYTHING Rybka Forum related, which is what I was doing back when I was active.

I'm glad to see you're still around and have joined the moderator team :smile:, but, yeah, I don't think properly coming back and participating in regular discussion is going to happen.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2013-09-24 19:58
Oh, even as a moderator, I admit that I don't read the majority of what is posted--I just read what either looks interesting or where someone points me or the moderators in general.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-09-24 23:30
For me, it's an all or nothing deal :smile:

Can't actually believe for how many years it was all...
- - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-15 07:17
Hope you also had a good look on 28...Qe5!? which indeed may have given black a fair chance playing for imbalances (and a win)... i'm somehow surprised you didn't choose it. :surprised::grin:

29. a4 *

1rb1n2r/4q2k/2pp2pp/pp6/P2QP3/2N5/1PP1B1P1/1K1R1R2 b - - 0 29
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-10-15 09:16
Yeah, I actually spent more time analyzing Qe5 than Kh7, but I couldn't find any variation that I liked or that white couldn't easily "refute", so I think this is the way to go.

By the way, are we still on the line of the z7? :smile:

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6 22. Nf2 Nxf2 23. Qxf2 Ne8 24. Kb1 Kg7 25. Qe3 Rh8 26. fxg6 fxg6 27. Rhf1 Rb8 28. Qd4+ Kh7 29. a4 b4

1rb1n2r/4q2k/2pp2pp/p7/Pp1QP3/2N5/1PP1B1P1/1K1R1R2 w - -
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-15 09:31

> By the way, are we still on the line of the z7? :smile:


Yes, just found out about 28...Qe5 later.

30. Bc4 *

1rb1n2r/4q2k/2pp2pp/p7/PpBQP3/2N5/1PP3P1/1K1R1R2 b - - 1 30


conditional: 30...Be6 31. Bxe6 Qxe6 32. Ne2 * (and no update-process needed :grin:, take your time)

1r2n2r/7k/2ppq1pp/p7/Pp1QP3/8/1PP1N1P1/1K1R1R2 b - - 1 32
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-10-19 22:44
Oh well, haven't managed to find a new mainline, but we all know I have to play this anyway...

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6 22. Nf2 Nxf2 23. Qxf2 Ne8 24. Kb1 Kg7 25. Qe3 Rh8 26. fxg6 fxg6 27. Rhf1 Rb8 28. Qd4+ Kh7 29. a4 b4 30. Bc4 Be6 31. Bxe6 Qxe6 32. Ne2 b3

1r2n2r/7k/2ppq1pp/p7/P2QP3/1p6/1PP1N1P1/1K1R1R2 w - -
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-19 23:21

> Oh well, haven't managed to find a new mainline, but we all know I have to play this anyway...


The difficult thing now is that this is no eval-game but one about won (or not so) endgames...

33. Qd3 *

1r2n2r/7k/2ppq1pp/p7/P3P3/1p1Q4/1PP1N1P1/1K1R1R2 b - - 1 33
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-10-20 10:54
Okay, finally found my mainline, and the key move was in front of my nose!

If you already had what will be move 34 on the zip file I'll be really impressed!

(predicting Ponder Hit next)

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6 22. Nf2 Nxf2 23. Qxf2 Ne8 24. Kb1 Kg7 25. Qe3 Rh8 26. fxg6 fxg6 27. Rhf1 Rb8 28. Qd4+ Kh7 29. a4 b4 30. Bc4 Be6 31. Bxe6 Qxe6 32. Ne2 b3 33. Qd3 Rb4

4n2r/7k/2ppq1pp/p7/Pr2P3/1p1Q4/1PP1N1P1/1K1R1R2 w - -
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-20 14:24
Yes, i have both 33...Rb4 * and 33...bxc2 34. Qxc2 Rb4 * as my main-lines and i thought (and still think) i have potential won endgames with them - or at least a good shot far better than in most other corr-games :wink:...

34. cxb3!

4n2r/7k/2ppq1pp/p7/Pr2P3/1P1Q4/1P2N1P1/1K1R1R2 b - - 0 34
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-25 14:42
Are you currently computing 21men-tablebases for my little line i basically designed a few weeks ago in one or two hours of analysis? :grin::wink::smile:

> If you already had what will be move 34 on the zip file I'll be really impressed!


Give me this absolutely impressing ponder-hitting move now. :lol:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-10-27 11:48
Huh? Oh, haven't checked this game since a week ago...

Anyway, my move was going to be c5!? but I just refuted it now, so, never mind! :lol:

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6 22. Nf2 Nxf2 23. Qxf2 Ne8 24. Kb1 Kg7 25. Qe3 Rh8 26. fxg6 fxg6 27. Rhf1 Rb8 28. Qd4+ Kh7 29. a4 b4 30. Bc4 Be6 31. Bxe6 Qxe6 32. Ne2 b3 33. Qd3 Rb4 34. cxb3 Rxb3

4n2r/7k/2ppq1pp/p7/P3P3/1r1Q4/1P2N1P1/1K1R1R2 w - -
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-27 13:12 Edited 2013-10-28 20:37

> Huh? Oh, haven't checked this game since a week ago...


:confused:

> Anyway, my move was going to be c5!? but I just refuted it now, so, never mind! :lol:


Indeed that would have been a surprise...

35. Qc2 *

4n2r/7k/2ppq1pp/p7/P3P3/1r6/1PQ1N1P1/1K1R1R2 b - - 1 35
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-10-28 12:19
Whoa! I had nothing on Qc2, that move took me by surprise. However, things are actually looking better than after Nd4 o_O

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6 22. Nf2 Nxf2 23. Qxf2 Ne8 24. Kb1 Kg7 25. Qe3 Rh8 26. fxg6 fxg6 27. Rhf1 Rb8 28. Qd4+ Kh7 29. a4 b4 30. Bc4 Be6 31. Bxe6 Qxe6 32. Ne2 b3 33. Qd3 Rb4 34. cxb3 Rxb3 35. Qc2 Re3

4n2r/7k/2ppq1pp/p7/P3P3/4r3/1PQ1N1P1/1K1R1R2 w - -
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-28 20:31 Edited 2013-10-28 20:37

> Whoa! I had nothing on Qc2, that move took me by surprise. However, things are actually looking better than after Nd4 o_O


Well, my hope was you staying in my analysis-line which you now sadly left with 35...Re3 (password to my Arena-analysis-session-.z-file is: "ThankYouForTheGame!")...
And believe me, i wanted to play Nd4 much earlier... indeed my whole "last chance" is based on bringing this lazy Nc3-knight somehow into play (which was btw. also the complete theme of 25. Bf3?!)  - and Ne2/Nd4 took ugly-lot time...
Regarding 35. Nd4 i thought after 35...Rxd3 36. Nxe6 Rxd1+ 37. Rxd1 g5! 38. Nd8 c5 39. Nb7 h5 40. Nxa5 g4 = my hopes are exactly zero (0.00). :lol:

36. Nd4 *

4n2r/7k/2ppq1pp/p7/P2NP3/4r3/1PQ3P1/1K1R1R2 b - - 3 36
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-10-29 08:26

> Well, my hope was you staying in my analysis-line which you now sadly left with 35...Re3


Oh, that's odd, I can't find the variation in the sea, the line seems to end at 32...b3 33.Qd3 (with me leaving your analysis line at 33...Rb4) in your analysis file.

>35...Rxd3 36. Nxe6 Rxd1+ 37. Rxd1 g5!


Ah, I hadn't seen g5 yet on that one!

Also, whoa! It seems you were surpassing me by like 1.25 orders of magnitude in positions analyzed 25 days ago to what I have now :eek:

Anyway, Ponder Hit! :wink:

1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6 22. Nf2 Nxf2 23. Qxf2 Ne8 24. Kb1 Kg7 25. Qe3 Rh8 26. fxg6 fxg6 27. Rhf1 Rb8 28. Qd4+ Kh7 29. a4 b4 30. Bc4 Be6 31. Bxe6 Qxe6 32. Ne2 b3 33. Qd3 Rb4 34. cxb3 Rxb3 35. Qc2 Re3 36. Nd4 Qxe4

4n2r/7k/2pp2pp/p7/P2Nq3/4r3/1PQ3P1/1K1R1R2 w - -
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-29 15:45

> Oh, that's odd, I can't find the variation in the sea, the line seems to end at 32...b3 33.Qd3 (with me leaving your analysis line at 33...Rb4) in your analysis file.


Indeed i seem to have added 33...Rb4 at a later stage (most likely the next day)... in any case i thought of it as potential transposition trying to trick me into a premature Nd4 and expecting you to play 35...Rb4 instead of 35...Re3 coming back to my line.

> Also, whoa! It seems you were surpassing me by like 1.25 orders of magnitude in positions analyzed 25 days ago to what I have now :eek:


We will yet have to see whether this is to my advantage or not. :grin::lol:

37. Nxc6 *

4n2r/7k/2Np2pp/p7/P3q3/4r3/1PQ3P1/1K1R1R2 b - - 0 37
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2013-10-30 09:28
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 O-O 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qd2 Ndf6 14. Ng5 e5 15. f3 exd4 16. Qxd4 Ne5 17. f4 Neg4 18. O-O-O h6 19. h5 Nxh5 20. f5 Qe7 21. Nh3 Nhf6 22. Nf2 Nxf2 23. Qxf2 Ne8 24. Kb1 Kg7 25. Qe3 Rh8 26. fxg6 fxg6 27. Rhf1 Rb8 28. Qd4+ Kh7 29. a4 b4 30. Bc4 Be6 31. Bxe6 Qxe6 32. Ne2 b3 33. Qd3 Rb4 34. cxb3 Rxb3 35. Qc2 Re3 36. Nd4 Qxe4 37. Nxc6 Qxc2+

4n2r/7k/2Np2pp/p7/P7/4r3/1Pq3P1/1K1R1R2 w - -
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-10-30 21:05 Edited 2013-10-30 21:12
Also think 36...Qxe4 37...Qxc2+ gives you far better endgames than 36...Qg4, sadly 37. Rf7+ Kg8 38. Qxe4 Rxe4 39. Ra7 Rh7 40. Rxa5 c5 41. Nb5 Rhe7! 42. Ra8 Kg7 = didn't work like i hoped last time i analyzed this position. :grin:

38. Kxc2 *

4n2r/7k/2Np2pp/p7/P7/4r3/1PK3P1/3R1R2 b - - 0 38
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