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- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-07 18:56
I am going to give a couple of "if" moves, because they look kind of forced, :smile:

Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxf6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. (if Bxh5 Ng4) 19. (and then if Bxg4 Bxg4)

r4rk1/2q4p/2pp1ppP/pp2p3/3PP1b1/P1N5/1PPQ1PP1/R3K2R w KQ - 0 20


This is the position if you accept all of the "if" moves.
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-07 19:07

> I am going to give a couple of "if" moves, because they look kind of forced, :smile:


:grin: Sadly Thursday i was to lazy to follow this Nh5-line to the end, thought it is playable but it is not.

> This is the position if you accept all of the "if" moves.


I accept everything but Dollar-checks! :lol:

17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 *
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-08 12:43
Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxf6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 Be6

r4rk1/2q4p/2ppbppP/pp2p3/3PP3/P1N2P2/1PPQ2P1/R3K2R w KQ - 0 21
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-08 13:27
21. d5 * (in case of 21...Bxd5 22. exd5; in case of 21...cxd5 22. Nxd5)

The recent Stockfish is pretty good, after entering 15...Nh5 it found out quickly (within 60sec) that position is nearly dead (i have chosen Rybka by that time, it was optimistic :lol:):

Stockfish:
  1/1  00:00           164  10.250  +4,42  Rh1xh5 e5xd4 Nf3xd4
  2/2  00:00           348  21.750  +4,28  Rh1xh5 f7-f6
  3/4  00:00         1.696  106.000  +1,25  d4xe5 f7-f6 e5xf6 Nh5xf6
  4/6  00:00         2.343  146.437  +1,39  d4xe5 f7-f6 e5xf6 Nh5xf6 O-O Qc7-a7
  5/7  00:00         4.605  143.906  +1,51  d4xe5 f7-f6 e5xf6 Nh5xf6 O-O Qc7-a7 e4-e5 d6xe5 Nf3xe5 Ng4xe5 Qg5xe5
  6/8  00:00         7.285  227.656  +1,39  d4xe5 f7-f6 e5xf6 Nh5xf6 O-O Rf8-e8 Qg5-f4 Qc7-b6
  7/9  00:00        29.781  376.974  -0,18  d4xe5 d6xe5 O-O f7-f6 Qg5-h4 Ng4xh6 Ra1-d1 Nh6-g4
  8/11  00:00        64.256  409.273  +0,10  d4xe5 d6xe5 Rh1xh5 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 g6xh5 Nc3xb5 Qc7-e7
  9/13  00:00       110.035  413.665  -0,08  g2-g3 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Qc7-b6 Ra1-d1 Bc8-e6 O-O f6-f5 d4xe5 d6xe5
10/15  00:00       159.839  408.795  +0,02  g2-g3 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Qc7-b6 Ra1-d1 Rf8-e8 O-O Bc8-e6 b2-b3 Ra8-a7 Kg1-h1 b5-b4
11/18  00:01       398.526  417.742  -0,18  g2-g3 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Qc7-b6 Ra1-d1 Bc8-e6 O-O b5-b4 Nc3-a4 Qb6-a7 Nf3-h2 Ng4xh2 Kg1xh2 b4xa3 b2xa3
12/18  00:01       465.759  413.640  -0,18  g2-g3 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Qc7-b6 Ra1-d1 Bc8-e6 O-O b5-b4 Nc3-a4 Qb6-a7 Nf3-h2 Ng4xh2 Kg1xh2 b4xa3 b2xa3
13/21  00:02       932.373  420.177  +0,48  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 g6xh5 Rh1xh2 Bc8-e6 Rh2-h1 b5-b4 Nc3-e2 d6-d5 a3xb4 a5xb4 Ra1xa8 Rf8xa8
14/21  00:02     1.152.286  423.790  +0,40  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-d7 d4xe5 d6xe5 O-O-O Rf8-d8 Qd2-d6 Qc7xd6 Rd1xd6 Kg8-f7
15/24-  00:03     1.337.406  425.789  +0,32  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 O-O-O b5-b4 a3xb4 a5xb4
15/24-  00:03     1.398.743  428.274  +0,24  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 O-O-O b5-b4 a3xb4 a5xb4
15/24-  00:03     1.485.785  432.165  +0,12  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 O-O-O b5-b4 a3xb4 a5xb4
15/26  00:03     1.567.146  432.196  +0,28  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 O-O-O b5-b4 Qd2-e3 Kg8-f7 Qe3xc5 d6xc5 a3xb4 a5xb4 Kc1-d2 Be6xd5 e4xd5
16/29-  00:04     1.927.611  425.333  +0,20  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 O-O-O b5-b4 Qd2-e3 Kg8-f7 Qe3xc5 d6xc5 a3xb4 a5xb4 Kc1-d2 Be6xd5 e4xd5 Rf8-d8
16/29-  00:05     2.069.618  419.120  +0,12  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 O-O-O b5-b4 Qd2-e3 Kg8-f7 Qe3xc5 d6xc5 a3xb4 a5xb4 Kc1-d2 Be6xd5 e4xd5 Kf7-e7
16/29  00:05     2.331.265  407.635  +0,04  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 O-O-O b5-b4 Qd2-e3 Qc5xe3+ Nd5xe3 b4xa3 b2xa3 Ra8-d8 Rh1-e1 f6-f5 e4xf5 g6xf5
17/32+  00:06     2.755.474  410.101  +0,12  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 Ra1-d1 f6-f5 e4xf5 Be6xf5 Nd5-e7+ Kg8-h8 Ne7xf5 Rf8xf5 Qd2-d5
17/32+  00:07     2.852.686  412.059  +0,20  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 Ra1-d1 f6-f5 e4xf5 Be6xf5 Nd5-e7+ Kg8-h8 c2-c3
17/32  00:07     3.187.373  412.925  +0,14  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 Ra1-d1 f6-f5 e4xf5 Be6xf5 Nd5-e7+ Kg8-h8 c2-c4 b5xc4 Ne7xf5 Rf8xf5 Qd2xd6
18/32+  00:08     3.636.306  417.774  +0,22  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 Ra1-d1 f6-f5 e4xf5 Be6xf5 Nd5-e7+ Kg8-h8 Ne7xf5 Rf8xf5 Qd2xd6 Qc5xc2 Qd6-d2
18/32-  00:10     4.149.330  418.828  +0,06  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 Ra1-d1 f6-f5 e4xf5 Be6xf5 Nd5-e7+ Kg8-h8 Ne7xf5 Rf8xf5 Qd2xd6 Qc5xc2 Qd6-d2
18/32+  00:10     4.421.344  422.327  +0,30  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 Ra1-d1 f6-f5 e4xf5 Be6xf5 Nd5-e7+ Kg8-h8 Ne7xf5 Rf8xf5 Qd2xd6 Qc5xc2 Qd6-d2
18/32  00:10     4.526.022  423.467  +0,18  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 Ra1-d1 Kg8-f7 Qd2-f2 Qc5xf2+ Ke1xf2 Rf8-c8 c2-c3 Ra8-b8 Kf2-e2 f6-f5 Rh1-f1 Be6xd5 Rd1xd5 f5xe4 Rd5xd6 e4xf3+ Rf1xf3+ Kf7-e7
19/35  00:15     6.739.968  430.916  +0,18  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 Ra1-d1 Kg8-f7 Qd2-f2 Qc5xf2+ Ke1xf2 Rf8-c8 c2-c3 Ra8-b8 Rh1-e1 f6-f5 Kf2-e3 Be6-d7 Re1-h1 Bd7-e6 Rh1-f1 f5-f4+ Ke3-e2 b5-b4
20/40-  00:23     9.867.529  430.182  +0,10  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 Ra1-d1 Kg8-f7 Qd2-f2 Qc5xf2+ Ke1xf2 Ra8-c8 c2-c3 f6-f5 Nd5-b6 Rc8-c6 e4xf5 Be6xf5 Nb6-d5 Rf8-c8
20/40  00:24    10.376.109  430.651  +0,14  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 Ra1-d1 Kg8-f7 Qd2-f2 Qc5xf2+ Ke1xf2 Ra8-c8 c2-c3 f6-f5 Kf2-e3 Rc8-b8 Nd5-c7 Rf8-c8 Nc7xe6 Kf7xe6 e4xf5+ g6xf5 Rh1-h5 f5-f4+
21/40  00:36    15.514.603  427.977  +0,20  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 Ra1-d1 Kg8-f7 c2-c3 Rf8-c8 Qd2-f2 Rc8-d8 Rd1-d2 f6-f5 Rd2-d1 Ra8-b8 Qf2-h4 Be6xd5 Rd1xd5 Qc5-e3+ Ke1-d1 f5xe4 f3xe4
22/40  00:47    20.008.310  424.994  +0,20  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 Ra1-d1 Kg8-f7 c2-c3 Rf8-c8 Qd2-f2 Rc8-d8 Rd1-d2 f6-f5 Rd2-d1 Ra8-b8 Qf2-h4 Be6xd5 Rd1xd5 Qc5-e3+ Ke1-d1 f5xe4 f3xe4
23/40-  00:59    25.156.044  426.386  +0,04  Nf3-h2 f7-f6 Qg5-d2 Ng4xh2 Be2xh5 Nh2-g4 Bh5xg4 Bc8xg4 f2-f3 Bg4-e6 d4-d5 c6xd5 Nc3xd5 Qc7-c5 Ra1-d1 Kg8-f7 c2-c3 Rf8-c8 Qd2-f2 Rc8-d8 Rd1-d2 Ra8-b8 O-O f6-f5 Rd2-d1 Rb8-c8 Qf2xc5 Rc8xc5 b2-b4 a5xb4 a3xb4 Rc5-c8
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-08 23:29
Is it me or does 40 ply in less than a minute sound like--->  my obsolete hardware available for chess, :confused:
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-09 07:48

>> 23/40-  00:59    25.156.044  426.386
> Is it me or does 40 ply in less than a minute sound like--->  my obsolete hardware available for chess, :confused:


It's sadly just 23 ply (and Stockfish prints a few ply's more than other engines), download it from the link below and you will see you can get -depending on your hardware- 10x to 40x to the nodes calculated (overall: 25.156.044, second-average: 426.386).

http://abrok.eu/stockfish/
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-09 09:40
I figured I was reading it wrong, sorry about that. Does the GUI make any difference?
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-09 11:54

> I figured I was reading it wrong, sorry about that.


No prob Scott, hardware isn't even an excuse as the Stockfish-run proves... at that time i entered ...Nh5 in the GUI, then entered ...b4 which i followed pretty long and liked my chances, but forgot to extend Nh5 where the single run above showed that black is very fine - therefore i came to the conclusion that Qg5 is playable while at the same time i had problems breaking critical lines in Qd2 (and maybe still have), which is why that decision was made. :smile:

> Does the GUI make any difference?


Just to a slight degree, maybe 5%... and of course every other application running parallel can make a difference too.
The print of ...Nh5 is directly from the console (what engines print out in while running), the GUI is taking that information and presenting it in certain ways... often the nodes are given in thousands (kilonodes) or even millions (meganodes) instead of every single one.
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-08 15:21
I accept your conditional.

Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxf6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 Be6 21. d5 cxd5 22. Nxd5 Qa7

r4rk1/q6p/3pbppP/pp1Np3/4P3/P4P2/1PPQ2P1/R3K2R w KQ - 0 23


It is now looking pretty drawish IMHO, :cry:
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-08 21:05
23. Rd1 *

> It is now looking pretty drawish IMHO, :cry:


:lol: - this is sadly already the case with the starting postion, seems the only influences one might have is to ease&speed to draw.
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-08 23:30
Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxf6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 Be6 21. d5 cxd5 22. Nxd5 Qa7 23. Rd1 Rac8

2r2rk1/q6p/3pbppP/pp1Np3/4P3/P4P2/1PPQ2P1/3RK2R w K - 0 24
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-09 07:07
24. c3 *
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-09 11:04
Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxf6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 Be6 21. d5 cxd5 22. Nxd5 Qa7 23. Rd1 Rac8 24. c3 Rc5


5rk1/q6p/3pbppP/pprNp3/4P3/P1P2P2/1P1Q2P1/3RK2R w K - 0 25
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-09 11:55
Looks i will have to offer here a draw soon...

25. Qf2 *
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-09 13:10
Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxf6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 Be6 21. d5 cxd5 22. Nxd5 Qa7 23. Rd1 Rac8 24. c3 Rc5 25 Qf2 Qf7


5rk1/5q1p/3pbppP/pprNp3/4P3/P1P2P2/1P3QP1/3RK2R w K - 0 26
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-09 20:15
26. b4 *
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-10 00:40
Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxf6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 Be6 21. d5 cxd5 22. Nxd5 Qa7 23. Rd1 Rac8 24. c3 Rc5 25 Qf2 Qf7 26. b4 axb4

5rk1/5q1p/3pbppP/1prNp3/1p2P3/P1P2P2/5QP1/3RK2R w K - 0 27


Not much to say here...
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-10 09:24
27. axb4 *
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-10 11:38
Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxf6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 Be6 21. d5 cxd5 22. Nxd5 Qa7 23. Rd1 Rac8 24. c3 Rc5 25 Qf2 Qf7 26. b4 axb4 27. axb4 Rc6

5rk1/5q1p/2rpbppP/1p1Np3/1P2P3/2P2P2/5QP1/3RK2R w K - 0 28
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-10 12:48
28. O-O *
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-10 13:24
Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxf6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 Be6 21. d5 cxd5 22. Nxd5 Qa7 23. Rd1 Rac8 24. c3 Rc5 25 Qf2 Qf7 26. b4 axb4 27. axb4 Rc6 28. 0-0 f5

5rk1/5q1p/2rpb1pP/1p1Npp2/1P2P3/2P2P2/5QP1/3R1RK1 w - - 0 29


This is getting more interesting now.
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-10 15:07

> This is getting more interesting now.


You mean more interesting than "absolutely not interesting"? :wink:

29. Qe2 *
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-10 17:14

> You mean more interesting than "absolutely not interesting"? :wink:


Yes, :lol: Always can hope!

Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 Be6 21. d5 cxd5 22. Nxd5 Qa7 23. Rd1 Rac8 24. c3 Rc5 25 Qf2 Qf7 26. b4 axb4 27. axb4 Rc6 28. 0-0 f5 29. Qe2 fxe4

5rk1/5q1p/2rpb1pP/1p1Np3/1P2p3/2P2P2/4Q1P1/3R1RK1 w - - 0 30
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-10 21:42

> Yes, :lol: Always can hope!


:wink: garde :grin:

30. fxe4 *
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-10 22:22
Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 Be6 21. d5 cxd5 22. Nxd5 Qa7 23. Rd1 Rac8 24. c3 Rc5 25 Qf2 Qf7 26. b4 axb4 27. axb4 Rc6 28. 0-0 f5 29. Qe2 fxe4 30. fxe4 Qa7+


5rk1/q6p/2rpb1pP/1p1Np3/1P2P3/2P5/4Q1P1/3R1RK1 w - - 0 31


Forced.
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-12 12:06
31. Kh2 *
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-12 13:41
Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 Be6 21. d5 cxd5 22. Nxd5 Qa7 23. Rd1 Rac8 24. c3 Rc5 25 Qf2 Qf7 26. b4 axb4 27. axb4 Rc6 28. 0-0 f5 29. Qe2 fxe4 30. fxe4 Qa7+ 31. Kh2 Rxf1

6k1/q6p/2rpb1pP/1p1Np3/1P2P3/2P5/4Q1PK/3R1r2 w - - 0 32
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-12 14:42
32. Qxf1 *
- - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-12 15:06
Not much on my side to think about on these two moves.

Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 Be6 21. d5 cxd5 22. Nxd5 Qa7 23. Rd1 Rac8 24. c3 Rc5 25 Qf2 Qf7 26. b4 axb4 27. axb4 Rc6 28. 0-0 f5 29. Qe2 fxe4 30. fxe4 Qa7+ 31. Kh2 Rxf1 32. Qxf1 Bxd5


6k1/q6p/2rp2pP/1p1bp3/1P2P3/2P5/6PK/3R1Q2 w - - 0 33
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-12 19:57

> Not much on my side to think about on these two moves.


Then switch off engines and just use a chess-board! :lol::wink:

33. Qf6 * [33...Qf7 34. Qd8+ Qf8 35. Qxf8+ Kxf8 36. Rxd5]

Well, few days ago i was attracted to this postion with 33. Ra1, but it does not work due 33...Ba2!
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-12 20:44

> Then switch off engines and just use a chess-board!


Oh, I do that too! btw, I accept all conditionals and offer draw.

Anton vs Scott
1. Nf3 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Be3 0-0 6. Be2 c6 7. Qd2 Nbd7 8. h3 b5 9. a3 Qc7 10. Bh6 a5 11. h4 Bxh6 12. Qxh6 Ng4 13. Qg5 Ndf6 14. h5 e5 15. h6 Nh5 16. Nh2 f6 17. Qd2 Nxh2 18. Bxh5 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. f3 Be6 21. d5 cxd5 22. Nxd5 Qa7 23. Rd1 Rac8 24. c3 Rc5 25 Qf2 Qf7 26. b4 axb4 27. axb4 Rc6 28. 0-0 f5 29. Qe2 fxe4 30. fxe4 Qa7+ 31. Kh2 Rxf1 32. Qxf1 Bxd5 33. Qf6 Qf7 34. Qd8+ Qf8 35. Qxf8+ Kxf8 36. Rxd5 Ke7 Draw offered...

8/4k2p/2rp2pP/1p1Rp3/1P2P3/2P5/6PK/8 w - - 0 37
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-12 21:21
Accepted, thanks for the game Scott, 25...Qf7 and actively playing on the f-line was a good decision in my opinion.
Parent - - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-12 22:19
Thanks for the game also Anton, :smile: Interesting experiment. I've always found the Pirc to be solid as any other defense. I wonder why it is not more popular, :confused:

Now just one game to concentrate on.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2013-09-13 09:13 Edited 2013-09-13 09:31

> Interesting experiment. I've always found the Pirc to be solid as any other defense. I wonder why it is not more popular, :confused:


Well, you have to take into account that maybe every tenth move with this approach/challenge/experiment is at least an inaccuracy (and to my current knowledge black would be simply dead lost after 13. Qd2), therefore the game itself [with my inaccuracies] has limiting value judging the defense itself, but you're right, in the main-lines Pirc is most likely as sound as Gruenfeld or KID. :smile:
Parent - By Scott (*****) Date 2013-09-13 12:14

> and to my current knowledge black would be simply dead lost after 13. Qd2


I'll leave that to you and Uly to figure out, :smile:
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