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- - By Quapsel (****) Date 2013-08-15 04:48
If Vas does not spend any time in computerchess anymore, does anybody know, how he earns his money today?
Surely he has very good developer Qualities. Who has the benefit of these today? Which subject?
Quap
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2013-08-15 08:05
Absolutely! He's investing in -Diapers!
Parent - By Ray (****) Date 2013-08-15 08:17
I'm sure his huge talent is not going to waste.  I'm very curious to know what he is doing now too.
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2013-08-15 08:33
He is copying Bob's method of making $800 an hour playing blackjack! :lol:
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2013-08-15 08:50
Vas is working on Rybka. And he still earns money from Rybka 4.1 sales.
Parent - By Ray (****) Date 2013-08-15 16:34
Fantastic !  I'm pleased that the ICGA stupidity didn't put him off chess altogether. I certainly would not have blamed him for giving it up.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2013-08-15 17:19

> Vas is working on Rybka.


Yeah, yeah, yeah! Now which Rybka would that be? Cloud or UCI version? :roll:

Everyone knows that he never gave up on Cloud! But the real question is where does he stand re: the UCI Rybka version?
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2013-08-15 18:28

> But the real question is where does he stand re: the UCI Rybka version?


Good question. I wouldn't blame him for not releasing one... The decompilers out there would quickly reveal his secrets, and the Pirates would quickly make free copies downloadable. If you are a top engine, that is what happens. If you are something much weaker like Hiarcs for example, then no-one bother with the decompilation.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2013-08-15 18:33
Please show some respect! Hiarcs is currently in fourth place at the WCCC! :lol:
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2013-08-15 18:41
Where are the current standings ?
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2013-08-15 18:54
Nice to see Junior is running on a Intel Xenon :wink:
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2013-08-15 19:06
Hiarcs is also running on this completely original hardware! :lol:
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2013-08-15 19:29
Congratulations to HIARCS. This is a very good and well deserved placing. :lol:
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2013-08-15 20:11
Yes very well deserved.  Very difficult for Hiarcs to snatch a tournament victory here.
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2013-08-15 21:59
Don't put it past them.
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2013-08-15 22:24
Difficult, but not impossible. Anything can happen in these short tournaments.
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) Date 2013-08-16 07:56
HIARCS on 3.5 out of 8, 3 points behind Junior. What a disaster. Even with only SIX participants, one of them being Merlin. And not a single top 10 program participating!
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2013-08-16 08:00
Yes. I'm supportive of them holding an event, but calling it a World Championship and the winner a World Champion is a joke. They need to recognise this, and call it something else !
Parent - By Venator (Silver) Date 2013-08-16 08:12
They NEED the world championship title, so I guess it will not change....
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2013-08-15 22:58
Don't put it past them.

Definitely not. Harvey has been observing Eros closely for many years. There are much better methods of pulling this out than relying on blind chance! Bribery, collusion, or an unfortunate accident are all possibilities! :twisted:
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) Date 2013-08-16 08:07 Edited 2013-08-16 08:10
Perhaps Harvey can convince the ICGA that it should disqualify Junior, Jonny and Pandix. Jonny runs on cluster hardware, that should be enough for a direct ban. And Junior and Pandix are obviously Robbo clones, in Harvey's view. Because only Robbo clones can beat HIARCS.

Another try would be the last day introduction of a 'commercial world champion', in which the numbers 1, 2 and 3 of the current tournament qualify for a final round robin tourney, with the current tourney's results not counting. Jonny, Pandix and Merlin do not qualify for this title, so it will be between Junior, Hiarcs and Shredder.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2013-08-16 08:09

> And Junior and Pandix are obviously Robbo clones, in Harvey's view.


You know the HIARCS team sell Junior, right?
Parent - By Venator (Silver) Date 2013-08-16 08:11
So? Harvey is only interested in minimizing the competition to maximise HIARCS chances. And a Junior world title is not going to help HIARCS sales.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2013-08-16 08:15
The WCCC? Forgedaboudit!

The only event you will hear about on the Hiarcs site is the WCSC, where Hiarcs beats up on this third rate field, all playing on laptops. This is the future of computer chess! :lol:
Parent - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2013-08-16 08:27

>This is the future of computer chess!


Maybe next year they'll use phones instead of laptops :lol:
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) Date 2013-08-16 08:42
Fantastic! Where can I buy this top program?
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2013-08-16 08:49
Don't they send you that HIARCS spam with discount offers? We could ask Harvey to put you on their list. :lol:
Parent - By Venator (Silver) Date 2013-08-16 09:07
Don't they send you that HIARCS spam with discount offers?

No, I guess my spam filters work rather well! And 'Hiarcs' is blacklisted...

We could ask Harvey to put you on the list!

I don't think Harvey wants me on their list :wink:
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) Date 2013-08-16 10:06
Official HIARCS press release will be something like this:

'Dear HIARCS customer,

We want to inform you that the new HIARCS version, that will be available soon, had a formidable result in the World Championship in Yokohama.

1. Going undefeated, HIARCS outclassed the very strong opposition in the World Blitz Competition, winning the World Blitz Championship Title in spectacular fashion. HIARCS is thus the strongest Blitz player in the world!

2. In the strongest WCCC ever, Hiarcs was able to gain a more than outstanding 4th place, notwithstanding the fact that our competitors played on much, much faster hardware (up to 2400 cores). Counting only the programs playing on 12 cores or less, HIARCS even was the strongest. Please also note that many top programs decided not to participate, as they clearly saw no chance of winning the WCCC title.

We see this result as a huge step forward in the development of HIARCS. You will be able to purchase this great chess program very soon. Keep watching your mail box'.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2013-08-16 10:13

> You will be able to purchase this great chess program very soon. Keep watching your mail box'.


:lol:
That little phrase "keep watching your mailbox" or "keep checking our website" is incredibly annoying. People who use it are advertising a product that doesn't exist.
Parent - By Venator (Silver) Date 2013-08-16 10:35
This reminds me of another well known advertising trick that could be used:

'HIARCS gained an outstanding 4th place in the strongest WCCC ever. Multiple World Champion Shredder only managed last but one place, while last year's World Champion Junior only did marginally better, ending up only four places higher than Shredder.'
Parent - - By siam (**) Date 2013-08-16 10:57
Well actually Harvey wrote the below on Talkchess...read the last sentence.. on equal hardware:yell::yell::yell:

edwardyu wrote:
http://icga.uvt.nl/?page_id=631
WCCC 2013
Live games can be followed here: LIVE
Live PGN file: LIVE PGN
Played games: wccc2013.pgn
Report: 20th WCCC.pdf

Cross Table

# Name Score 1 2 3 4 5 6
1 Junior 6½ – 1½ 11 1. 0. 11
2 Shredder 3½ 0½ – 0. 0. ½½ 11
3 Hiarcs 3½ 00 1. – ½½ 0½ 1.
4 Pandix 5 0. 1. ½½ – ½½ 11
5 Jonny 5½ 1. ½½ 1½ ½½ – 1.
6 Merlin 0 00 00 0. 00 0. –

In the WCSC on = hardware Hiarcs is leading with 4.5/5
Parent - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2013-08-16 11:02
Would love to see Komodo play
Parent - By Ray (****) Date 2013-08-16 11:51
What is the equal hardware ? Last year it was a 32-bit laptop or something. Totally meaningless. I think it will win it, but it means nothing to most people.
Parent - By oudheusa (*****) Date 2013-08-16 12:35
Does anyone know if this is an updated version of Shredder that is playing?
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2013-08-15 19:45
Yeah! But, Merlin is making them all look good.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2013-08-15 20:08
Oops! Merlin operators must have forgotten to suit up!
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2013-08-15 17:29
How does "Both Sides Now" go

Bows and flows of angel hair
And ice cream castles in the air
And feather canyons everywhere
I've looked at clouds that way

But now they only block the sun
They rain and snow on everyone
So many things I would have done
But clouds got in my way

I've looked at clouds from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It's cloud illusions I recall
I really don't know clouds at all...

But now it's just another show
You leave 'em laughing when you go
And if you care, don't let them know
Don't give yourself away...
Parent - By Mark (****) Date 2013-08-16 00:31
Always liked that song...
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2013-08-15 22:03
When you say this I take it you have first-hand knowledge.  Why is everything so secretive now?  It would be so great for Vas to come back and write a couple of hundred words on what he's up to and what he has planned for computer chess.  Apart from diaper-changing, I mean.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2013-08-15 23:01
Vas should do something special to commemorate the day that will probably occur sometime in the next year, when Crafty's Elo overcomes Rybka 1.0 Beta 64! This will be a momentous occasion! :lol:
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2013-08-16 00:13
This whole thing between Vas and the ICGA (Bob) -

Reminds me of the rivalry between the  paleontologists, O.C.Marsh and E.D.Cope. Cope in wanting to beat his rival in discovery published  the finding of a new creature he called "  Elasmosaurus platyurus". Apparently, in reconstructing the skeletal remains he "... reversed the vertebrae, positioning the skull at the end of the tail."

His rival spotted the error and reported it.

Cope  tried to buy up every copy of the American Philosophical Society journal that printed the mistake, in an attempt to address the error,  but it was too late.

Cope, later  purchased,  The American Naturalist journal, and published over, "... 76 academic papers, a small percentage of the 1,400 articles he would write over the course of his lifetime, making him one of the most prolific authors in American scientific history."

Marsh, saw himself appointed to the post of chief  paleontologist of the U.S. Geological Survey, and cut Cope off from Government funding.

By 1890, separated from his wife and child, Cope was living alone in a small Philadelphia apartment. His fossil collection was all he had left. Marsh then made a fatal mistake. He attempted to take Cope's fossils, claming they had been collected with federal money and thus belonged to the government. Cope fought back, producing evidence that he had paid for almost all of his collecting out of his own pocket. Then, he set out to destroy Marsh.

For years, Cope had been collecting information -- records of nefarious, underhanded dealings and accusations of scientific impropriety -- to use against Marsh. He turned them over to a freelance journalist at The New York Herald, an eager purveyor of scandals. The headline, "SCIENTISTS WAGE BITTER WARFARE," set off a firestorm. The public battle lasted for two weeks, as the professors fired accusations at each other. Marsh and his allies in the U.S. Geological Survey were publicly accused of corruption, incompetence and misuse of government funds. Congress investigated and eventually slashed funding for the Survey, eliminating the department of paleontology along with Marsh's position, power, and most of his income. As a final indignity, the Smithsonian demanded that Marsh turn over a large part of his own fossil collection, some of which had, in fact, been collected with government funds.
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2013-08-16 18:57
Er, was there ever a Beta 64?  I thought the only available edition for 1.0 Beta was 32-bit.

Crafty passing Rybka would be like the planet's magnetic poles flipping.
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2013-08-16 18:59

> I thought the only available edition for 1.0 Beta was 32-bit.


I think the only available edition for 1.0 Beta was 64 bit.
Parent - - By Eelco de Groot (***) Date 2013-08-16 20:49
Well, it appears you're both wrong :razz:
Attachment: Rybka1.0Beta.rar - "How it all started in the original Computer Chess Club, ca. Dec 6 2005" RARed by me (872k)
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2013-08-16 21:11
Was just reading the readme file, brings some smiles to my face ;-)
Parent - By Ray (****) Date 2013-08-17 10:29
Yes, thanking people that subsequently stabbed him in the back...
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2013-08-16 21:56
Thanks for that! :smile:
Parent - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2013-08-17 09:55
You're right. I must have forgotten about it as I never used it. Btw. all 32 bit versions were by-products, the original version was always 64 bit.
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