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- - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-21 14:04
It is now official! The ICGA Computer Olympiad 2013 will be held Aug 12-18, in Yokohama, Japan.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-21 17:48 Edited 2012-12-21 17:55
Only 165 miles down wind of Fukushima! :yell:

"Yokohama radiation testing facility: Resident personally detects 1,850 disintegrations per second in a liter of soil — 250 km from Fukushima meltdowns..."
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-21 17:56
Good of you to remind me not to eat the soil, while I am there!
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-21 18:08
Or breathe the air!:grin:
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-21 20:12 Edited 2012-12-21 20:14
You are misinformed. Radio-activity of the air there is currently only 30 nanoSievert/hr, while in 2009 it ranged fom 20-44 nanoSievert/hr.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-21 20:15
Then...don't drink the water or eat the soil! :grin:
Parent - - By Waschbaer (**) Date 2012-12-21 20:33
And don't forget using a dust mask
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-21 23:50 Edited 2012-12-21 23:53
H.G , should go into the The ICGA Computer Olympiad 2013  wearing his Gas Mask Lens Outsert, M/L, Tinted! :cool:  Of course he should go in with his hands raised to show he's not packing! :yell: Holding a mouse and keyboard!
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-21 20:52 Edited 2012-12-21 21:02
Whatever you do DON'T forget to bring a -Geiger Counter Gamma Scout Alert Version - Hand Held Radiation Detector!:wink:

Whip this baby out when  its red light starts  flashing and its  deep beeping alarm system-broadcasts your personal cumulative overdose exposure- and watch the  ICGA Computer Olympiad empty within minutes.

Determine the source of radiation leakages
Monitor ambient radiation anomalies
Monitor personal cumulative dose exposure
Detect radioactive elements in metal scrap
Check rocks from the earth for radioactivity
Teach or learn about radioactivity ( aside from computer chess you get the added advantage to learn about radioactivity :yell:):eek::roll::cool:
Parent - By Christian Packi (****) Date 2012-12-21 21:14
:grin:
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-12-21 21:19
You're not fooling us Robert. You would be too busy groping the girls on the bullet trains to worry about the mildly radioactive food you were eating... :lol:
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-21 23:12 Edited 2012-12-22 00:14

> You would be too busy groping the girls on the bullet trains


You're projecting!:yell:
Parent - - By Antares (****) Date 2012-12-23 17:56

> currently only 30 nanoSievert/hr, while in 2009 it ranged fom 20-44 nanoSievert/hr.


Harm, in your math 30 is not between 20 and 44? :grin:

I think one problem with (computer)chess is that there is so much farce: Everybody knows that for slow&mid-timecontrols Houdini 3.0 is the strongest (unassisted) engine (=a legitimate world champion; therefore i trust Martin's new TCEC way more than ICGA), and everybody knows that Carlsen is the strongest player and therefore the only legitimate world champion.
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-23 18:34 Edited 2012-12-23 18:42

> Harm, in your math 30 is not between 20 and 44?


Yes, it is. So absolutely nothing is detected over the natural background. You did get that 2009 was pre-meltdown?

Being the strongest does not make you a champion. Performing does. My brother is the fastest driver in the World. He never won any Formula I titles, though, because he refuses to drive when there are also others on the racing track, out of fear for accidents. So F-I racing is really a farce, and this Schumacher is only a clown...
Parent - - By Selea (**) Date 2012-12-24 09:12 Edited 2012-12-24 09:19
Your analogy is completely bogus.

1) If your brother could REALLY perform laps faster than F-1 champions be sure that somebody would notice it and he would become the fastest driver (there are records just for this, you know) recognized.
2) Houdini COULD compete against others, it is just that YOU don't want it to. That would be like having Alonso for Ferrari being the best pilot (dreaming, but whatever) and McLaren having a say on his participation. Makes a LOOOOT of sense.
Parent - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-27 12:24

> ..., it is just that YOU don't want it to.


Uh? Where did you get that nonsense from?
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-12-25 09:05
My brother is the fastest driver in the World.

Your claims are starting to be totally absurd: chess is solved long ago, your brother is the fastest driver in the world. Can you back up these claims with some actual proof, or is it 'HGM bragging time' again?
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-27 12:25

> Can you back up these claims with some actual proof...


Just check on the number of speeding tickets he got!:lol:
Parent - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-12-27 13:33
Hardly relevant, eh?
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-26 23:01

> My brother is the fastest driver in the World. He never won any Formula I titles, though, because he refuses to drive when there are also others on the racing track, out of fear for accidents.


First things first!

Need For Speed Shift 2 Unleashed - is not a good benchmark  for  making the  assumption that your brother is the fastest driver in the "world". Taking a "real"car out on the track is much more challenging than he may think!
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-12-25 13:58
Do you realise it is *again* Japan!? It is obviously clear that the ICGA has found no sponsors in the rest of the world!
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2012-12-25 14:03

> Do you realise it is *again* Japan!? It is obviously clear that the ICGA has found no sponsors in the rest of the world!


One of the most expensive countries in the world. If they want minimum attendance, job done. Best for it to be in the U.S. or somewhere in Europe.
Parent - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-27 13:07
Actually attendance in Kanazawa (2010) was very good. For one, it means that the Shogi and Go tournaments are heavily populated, and if Japan and China manage to ease their political friction, it would also be very good for Xiangqi. But even for Chess participation hardly suffered. Remember that it hardly makes any difference to Americans whether they have to travel to Japan or to Europe.

Saying that it should be in the U.S. is mostly wishful thinking. When is the last time it actually was in the U.S.? (Even though the ICGA rules say it has to alternate between U.S. and elsewhere!) There has not been any interest from anywhere in the U.S. to host it for almost a decade!
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-27 13:28
As you can see in the list below, the event in Kanazawa Japan had actually by far the most attendance ever (100). Nearly double of what we had in Amsterdam (which was announced very late, as a last resort). Second place is Beijing 2008...

[quote]Event Country Participants Tournaments
2013 Yokohama  Japan  
2011 Tilburg  The Netherlands 68 21
2010 Kanazawa  Japan 100 23
2009 Pamplona  Spain 57 15
2008 Beijing  China 85 14
2007 Amsterdam  The Netherlands 52 12
2006 Turin  Italy 62 14
2005 Taipei  Taiwan (ROC)  42 8
2005 Reykjavík  Iceland 12 3
2004 Ramat-Gan  Israel 36 9
2003 Graz  Austria 60 14
2002 Maastricht  The Netherlands 58 12
2001 Maastricht  The Netherlands 33 7
2000 London  United Kingdom 37 8
1999 Paderborn  Germany 30 1
1997 Paris  France 34 2
1996 Jakarta  Indonesia 27 2
1995 Paderborn  Germany 33 1
1995 Shatin  Hong Kong - China 24 1
1993 Munich  Germany 28 1
1992 Madrid  Spain 22 1
1992 London  United Kingdom 42 13
1991 Maastricht  The Netherlands 53 13
1991 Vancouver  Canada 15 1
[/quote]

Saying that it should be in the U.S. is mostly wishful thinking. Of course everyone would like that, for a change. (The ICGA statute actually specifies the event should alternate between the U.S. and elsewhere!) But there is absolutely no interest from the U.S. to organize it for decades. The list shows that the ast time it was in America was in 1991!
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-27 19:02 Edited 2012-12-27 19:07
And it all falls apart after 2010! :yell:

Prior to that -

Oh! h.g -you are such a tool! :grin:
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-27 20:13

> And it all falls apart after 2010! 


Just out of curiosity: What exactly do you perceive as 'falling apart after 2010'? All tounaments you post list 10 engines, including Rybka, and the one after it 9, without Rybka. So to the unaided eye there does not seem to be much change, except that Rybka obvious could not participate...
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-27 20:22
:surprised::eek::roll::grin:
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-27 21:36
OK, so your problem is that you are not aware that in WCCC the participants do use different hardware, different opening books etc., and that the title is awarded for the entity that is the combination of all those, and not just an arbitrary selected part?
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-27 21:42 Edited 2012-12-27 21:44
You are a pretty dense character! :grin:

Do you still live with you mother? I cannot imagine you married with kids!
Parent - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-27 21:59 Edited 2012-12-27 22:22
From past experience I am sure there is very little you can imagine. So no surprise there.

My mother has been dead and buried for many decades, actually. And I retired to live from the income of my investments, and travel around.:cool: But I guess there is no chance meeting you in Yokohama. Which of course makes it all the more appealing to go.
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-12-29 11:31
What the heck is 'Minkochess'!?
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-29 20:03
That was a really bad reply:lol: I couldn't let that stand. As bad as the appellation of that chess engine! :grin:
Parent - - By Graham Banks (*****) Date 2012-12-30 07:00

> What the heck is 'Minkochess'!?


The predecessor of Umko. The author could no longer use the name Umko because of copyright.
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-12-30 07:49
Copyright? More likely trademark. Of course it's amazing that someone would want to trademark Umko! It's almost as bad as Minkochess! :lol:
Parent - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-12-30 09:21
Never heard of it before! Thanks for the info.
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-22 09:19
Why do I get the impression that this forum is filled with yellow-belly cry babies, scared to death over nothing?:confused:
Parent - - By Waschbaer (**) Date 2012-12-22 10:19
:evil: guess!
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-27 12:52

> guess!


Well, based on how this thread further developed, let me have a throw at it:

Because the average age of the forum members here is 12 years, or their mental development became arrested at that stage?
Parent - By Waschbaer (**) Date 2012-12-27 15:20
hmmm - maybe because you are such a nice guy?
Parent - - By Maxiator (***) Date 2012-12-22 16:58
The participiants of the "olympiad" will not be the strongest programs.
Gold medal to crafty or shredder, who cares?
Not interesting.
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-12-22 17:40
Just think of it as the Special Olympiad. :lol:
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-22 18:21

> Gold medal to crafty or shredder, who cares?


I don't think they will participate. They can only play Chess, right?
Parent - - By Maxiator (***) Date 2012-12-22 22:38
You are right.
International Chewing Gum Association =ICGA
Maybe this is a forum which deals with computerchess, but if I understand you, ICGA Olympiad will not have a chess tournament. That´s ok, without Houdini, Rybka et al. it would be a farce.
Never mind
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-23 09:12 Edited 2012-12-23 18:44
The ICGA Olympiad is all about cutting-edge IA developments in Computer Games. Nothing as brain-dead as orthodox Chess.

There will be a Chess tourney as well, but it is not part of the Olympiad, and you would have to register for it separately. But I gather you don't plan on going there anyway...

I hope there will also be a mini-Shogi tournament. My engine Shokidoki would stand a good chance of grabbing a World title there.:grin:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-23 15:10

> The ICGA Olympiad is all about cutting-edge IA developments in Computer Games.


Cutting-edge?

"In the Olympiad the most important games are Go, Shogi and Nonograms."

And , almost as an after thought-

"As usual [:roll::yell::grin:] the Computer Chess Championships consist of the World Computer Chess Championship, the World Chess Software Championship, and the World Computer Chess Blitz Championship."

As has become usual

"Showcasing less then Competitive  World Chess Software!"
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-23 17:55

> Cutting-edge?
>
> "In the Olympiad the most important games are Go, Shogi and Nonograms."


Yes, so? Go and Shogi are unsolved problems, where human experts stil have the upper hand over computers, but large progress has been made the past years. No doubt there will also be many papers presented in the conference about those.

Chess, OTOH, has been solved long ago, and not a single new technique was incoporated in Chess programs for almost a decade.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-23 21:06

> Yes, so?


What do you mean? Yes So?

How does unsolved problems in Go and Shogi  reflect how the ICGA Olympiad is on the  cutting-edge of  IA developments in Computer "Games". Since when does the ICGA take responsibility for anything that is Authored or Developed in "games"- let alone in the plural?
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-23 21:45
You are not aware that the Olympiad goes accompanied by a conference, where the participants present scientific papers about their newly developed techniques? And of course the ICGA just hosts it. Point is that the best people from the fields were things are really happening will be there, for sharing their experiences. That is what cutting-edge science is about. It is really one of the greatest such meetings on the planet.

But of course it is of no interest to people for which writing a post on this forum is the superb achievement of their life. Mind you, we are talking about scientific papers here, by people that actually do research.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-12-23 21:51 Edited 2012-12-23 21:56

> where the participants present scientific papers about their newly developed techniques?


Who are the participants making such superb achievements of their life in research?

Lets see the list of participants.

At least we've debunked the idea that the ICGA is at the forefront of innovation. Anyone can host these games even the- Yokohama International Women's Club or YIWC.
Parent - - By h.g.muller (****) Date 2012-12-24 07:55 Edited 2012-12-24 07:58
As the event was just announced, participants of couse still have to register and submit papers.

And the only thing that is 'debunked' here is the notion that you would actually be able to understand what goes on in the world, and what others write. (As if anyone would still believe that...) It is of course Go and Shogi that are at the forefront of innovation. No doubt you only think that the Olympics 2016 will only a crappy sports event. Because you know, the organizers only HOST it. So it has nothing to do with high-level sports at all. And no one can show you the list of participants to prove you otherwise...
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