I have purchased all the previous versions but I feel that Rybka and Houdini are just too good.
I have been offered a discount for an upgrade.
It would be around the same strength as Naum and Chiron roughly.
However, not everybody is interested in strength alone.
Playing style and usefulness in analysing are also important. Hiarcs would be a good engine to have in your stable on that basis.
> Hiarcs 14 is substantially stronger than previous versions, but is not in the same strength category as Houdini, Stockfish, Critter, Komodo and Rybka.
> It would be around the same strength as Naum and Chiron roughly.
> However, not everybody is interested in strength alone.
> Playing style and usefulness in analysing are also important. Hiarcs would be a good engine to have in your stable on that basis.
How would you describe the playing style of Hiarcs 14? How does its style compare to previous versions?
There are statistics on the most likely 6-man endings but you should consider the likelihood of a botch/misassessment as at least as relevant in the decision as to what 6-man endings to include.
Also, if you are a postal chess person you want to edit the set you will be using given the likely endings possible from the position you are analyzing.
If you are utterly obsessed and rich you can get a server with 500GB+ of RAM and use virtual RAM-drive software and reduce the latency by a thousand fold. If doing that, then you want to set endgame cache to a low value as that would be redundant.
Mindbreaker, your comments are very appreciated too.
P.S. I would contribute to these efforts but unfortunately, I do not have reasonable hardware these days. - Maybe 2014
1 Minute per position
3-4-5 EGTBs if possible
1. Houdini 2.0c Pro x64 - 85/100
2. Komodo 5 x64 - 81/100
3. Critter 1.6a x64 - 80/100
4. Rybka 4 x64 -79/100
5. Stockfish 2.22 - 78/100
6. Hiarcs 14 - 74/100
7. Shredder 12 x64 - 58/100
8. Junior 13.3 x64 - 57/100
Looks like Hiarcs's previous good score was a fluke. IMO Houdini, Critter and Rybka are the main candidates for the best engine for endgames thanks to their support of endgame tablebases. Komodo and Stockfish will be right up there with them as soon as they get EGTB support.
What was the Result on PET testsuite?
1.-2. Hiarcs 14 - 44/50
1.-2. Stockfish 2.01 PA GTB Gran2k - 44/50
3.-4. Rybka 4 - 43/50
3.-4. Stockfish 2.22 43/50
5.-6. Houdini 2.0 - 42/50
5.-6. Critter 1.6a - 42/50
7. Junior 13.3 - 40/50
8. Shredder 12 - 36/50
I forget the download URL but it was here in the Rybkaforum. I'm sure the search can lead you to it.
> How would you describe the playing style of Hiarcs 14? How does its style compare to previous versions?
Since Hiarcs Paderborn, which played aggressive and entertaining chess, the style of play has moved more towards being solid. Still dangerous and quick to seize on attacking opportunities when they may arise though, but you could say that for most of the top engines these days.
>> How would you describe the playing style of Hiarcs 14?
I think it is a myth that Hiarcs has some sort of unique style.
But as I said before, if you have the money, purchase it, why not. But in the knowledge that you have an engine a lot weaker than many free alternatives that may or may not offer you much over and above them.
> I think it is a myth that Hiarcs has some sort of unique style.
In my experience, the claims for Hiarcs having a unique style were very true, at least for the Paderborn 2007 version. I would always go with it when all other engines were suggesting some kind of plan I didn't like, and I needed something new. Even in positions where most other engines had consensus that a move was best and the alternatives were worse, Hiarcs would like one of the alternatives and provide interesting alternative plans.
Later on, Critter 0.70 fulfilled this role better, because besides having such original ideas, they also proved devastating, and with there being only so much one can analyze, I had to drop Hiarcs, but its originality stands.
If you're fan of weak engines, then you can buy fritz 13 at least you get a decent GUI and access to playchess in addition to the engine.
> I have been offered a discount for an upgrade
Take it if they throw in round trip tickets ( with first class airline seats) -three night at a 5 star hotel- all expenses paid. Front row seats to watch Viswanathan Anand, play his next match.
After a couple drinks at the hotel bar you can power up your laptop and watch Hiarcs 14 get wiped by any of the top four chess engines and fall off your bar stool laughing your ass off.
I mainly use engines to analyse positions from my own games.
In the past I found that Hiarcs had a better understanding of positions particularly when it is about long range strategic issues.
Rybka is now superior but I would switch on 13.2 out of interest.
Houdini is in my opinion not very good even if it is the strongest by elo.
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