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- - By Razor (****) Date 2007-11-06 21:21
Just a few days and the update will be available!  :o)

It will be interesting to see how this version compares to the existing results obtained between Rybka 2.3.2a and Zappa Mexico v1
Parent - - By richbell (**) Date 2007-11-07 06:17
Is it a guess or an official announcement?
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2007-11-07 13:05
If I remember correctly Harvey said the fixes will add up to only 2-3 ELO.
Parent - - By saxon (**) Date 2007-11-07 15:33
3 ELO was joke I guess.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2007-11-07 15:54
why?
Parent - - By saxon (**) Date 2007-11-07 16:36
Becouse it's a typical A.Cozzie's  humour.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2007-11-07 16:39
well i tested the new version on my 6 machines and it is crushing rybka on all of them.
Parent - - By Bouddha (****) Date 2007-11-07 16:43
This is a good joke :)
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2007-11-07 16:45
Is it!?
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2007-11-07 22:00
Ok, maybe just a joke, but not a good one ;)
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2007-11-07 22:33
Harvey,

It would be in poor taste to celebrate a deception.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2007-11-07 22:39
dam right.certain people may be having fun but it is my money that is going down the pan.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2007-11-08 22:56
mothership could could not find your post, ready to beam up in 35 parsecs,to rest before we attack planet earth tomorrow.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2007-11-08 23:42 Edited 2007-11-09 00:01
Hi National12,

I didn't find anything resembling an update at Shredder. I just don't know what is going to come of all this expectation. I guess the only thing do is wait and see. It's disappointment enough for Rybka fans to have to wait until spring but, I think there is more too it then just Rybka 3. going on behind the scenes which has nothing to do with the GUI. It may be Vas getting himself ahead of the game.

What's left to do- check out some of the chess engines that are up and comers through Ridderkerk- ?

Wait for the new  " Felix-Rybka GUI " (ahaha you have to love it- feed that boys ego!  :-)  )

sidserious- (dream on Felix!)
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2007-11-08 23:47
sidserious . robert in a few minuetes i will find out if your humour is the same as mine.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2007-11-09 00:00
Oh God! That scares me!
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2007-11-09 00:08
its fun though and you are the centre of attraction.but its ok because you are safe on the mothership and you can from now on get away with anything because you will be beamed back up and told off.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2007-11-09 00:48
No way! I'm sticking around for the festivities.

I'm not stupid that " Mothership " is just another name for " Extraordinary Rendition."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/

An absolutely necessary must see program-

sidserious- no crap!
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2007-11-09 08:28
i guess george cant count on your vote then.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2007-11-09 16:41
He's a puppet-Dick Chaney, has his hands up his butt. He's the Queen behind the throne.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2007-11-09 23:10
robert i just tried to send a simple message again, once more i am told you do not exist, now i know that is not true because i have just released you from the mothership, i believe the enemy i e chessbase are attacking our communications
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2007-11-10 01:27
National12,

I think you have to cut down on your pub time. Or, wait a few hours after returning from the pub before attempting forum communication.

However, there once was a member of this forum who disappeared into the miasma of the Chessbase fog-  Which is another way of saying that he "spontaneously combusted" over having such hatred and black bile over ChessBase. Every now and again the Chessbase monster seeks out another victim to drive insane.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2007-11-10 01:33
I am not familiar with Chessbase causing spontaneous combustion, but I did have relatives living in Cleveland during a time period when both the Cuyahoga River, running through the city, and the mayor's hair spontaneously caught fire.
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2007-11-10 03:37
Cleveland, city of light, city of magic
Cleveland, city of light, youre calling me
Cleveland, even now I can remember
cause the Cuyahoga River
Goes smokin' through my dreams

Burn on, big river, burn on
Burn on, big river, burn on
Now the Lord can make you tumble
And the Lord can make you turn
And the Lord can make you overflow
But the Lord can't make you burn
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2007-11-10 04:04
:-)
Parent - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2007-11-09 06:59
well i tested the new version on my 6 machines and it is crushing rybka on all of them.

I tend to believe Harvey, I remember the mexican Fish recipe that he prepared before the Mexico game, he must have known about Zappa's strength on 8 core machine. I don't think he could have come up with that bold statement about the recipe. :)
Parent - - By Jessica (**) Date 2007-11-07 16:53
Harvey I think you say everything is crushing Rybka!!!  Why don't you spend time on your forum and say RYBKA and everything is crushing Hiarcs that that is something that we will all believe.  Is Hiarcs still around anyways?  Maybe this will make them come out with Hiarcs 11.3 or 11.4 or 11.5 which ever version they on now!!!  Personally I think Hiarcs is a joke. Just went to the forum there and in order to keep people interested they start giving free stuff away.  Hey when you start offering to buy Rybka for anyone that wins one of your contest please let me know.

Thanks
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2007-11-07 17:03 Edited 2007-11-07 17:17
please quote any post where I have said anything is crushing Rybka? Besides the 2-3 elo from Anthony of course. I hope you enjoyed the visit to the Hiarcs forum I strongly recommend the Rybka Fajitas with Sidserious Sauce - yum!!

I post here from time to time on the Rybka forum as do many Rybka supporters on the Hiarcs forum. I have the utmost respect for Rybka and i do not think i have ever said otherwise(apart from the odd recipe on the Hiarcs forum). I think it is healthy(just like eating Fish) for Computer Chess that I post here. If the forum/Rybka team tell me that I am not welcome i will leave. I doubt they will as debate is healthy and they are all welcome on the Hiarcs forum.

Robert if your reading this am i being HarveySerious?

Best Wishes,

Harvey
Parent - - By Jessica (**) Date 2007-11-07 18:54
Again what version of Hiarcs are you on?  Because the one here at work is a joke I do believe 11.2 I am glad that i didn't buy this!
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2007-11-07 19:39 Edited 2007-11-07 19:45
I am glad you are amused. I am glad you are enjoying your illegal Hiarcs at work. Did you pay for Rybka?
Parent - - By Jessica (**) Date 2007-11-07 20:39
Yes I paid for Rybka I love it.  I didn't say its illegal someone at work brought it, why I no idea!  I have confirmation email that states i pay for Rybka.  I just have one question Mr. Williamson when will you release Hiarcs as a freeware?  Its not doing so good now so why continue to profit?
Parent - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2007-11-07 20:40 Edited 2007-11-07 20:49
Its not doing so good now so why continue to profit?

I have never made any money from Hiarcs.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2007-11-07 21:15
Hang on a moment. I don't think it's fair to say that Hiarcs is 'weak' when it has a grading of, what, 2900 on a fast machine?? Its playing style, from the few times I've used version 11, seems similar to v10 and therefore a pleasure to use. It's not AS strong as Rybka but it's not weak in an objective sense, unless we concede Kasparov (2800 elo!) is weak as well!

But please...no more illeagal copy claims...I was accussed of this unfairly too - it's a serious charge.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2007-11-07 21:20
But please...no more illeagal copy claims...I was accussed of this unfairly too - it's a serious charge.

Yes a serious charge and Mark Uniackes only post on this forum was asking you to prove you had a legal copy - something you still refuse to do. Like Jessica you claim you have a work copy even though no business licences have been issued.

oh well c'est la vie

Havey
Parent - By Jessica (**) Date 2007-11-07 22:23
Harvey face it you can't stop someone from buying and downloading onto a office computer.  Instead of trying to figure out if someone has a business licences for it try and improve it okay? thanks.
Parent - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2007-11-07 22:36
There is a fundamental misunderstanding. I have not GOT H11 nor did I ever claim to have it. I used a machine on which it was installed. Both the machine and the software were nothing to do with me and were totally legal - I suspect.

It is common practice in large companies to have, say, 100 machines and to save money only 30 will have prog A, 30 with prog B, 30 with prog C etc and people move round as they need a certain program.

It seems likely that in both cases this is what happened. A person installed a (legal) installation of H11 (for private use - you know when the boss isn't looking) and eventually it was used by another user.

That's legal...and pretty good business for you I might add - since you're getting others intrested in it.

I'm with you in saying that piracy is bad - but you need to be SURE someone is cheating before accusing them of this.

But as you say: c'est la vie
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2007-11-07 22:37
Harvey,

I don't know anymore. I have wonder at some of the things that you've said. In some sense I have to respectfully stand back.

Yours,

Robert
Parent - - By davidwhite (***) Date 2007-11-08 09:30
Harvey.  of course you should keep posting here. I'd wager that even Robert, possibly Rybka's most ardent champion,considers your forum input advantageous to us.

Your occasional expressions of joy whenever Rybka stumbles against ANY program is not surprising when you allow for the frustration that all of the competition has experienced

at Rybka's hands,with rare exception, for well over the last 2 years. So far as Rybka/Zappa Mexico was concerned I can see an extra level of excitement may have been present for

you and the Hiarcs team...not only might Rybka be knocked off its lofty perch but the perpetrator,Zappa,might soon discontinue further deveopment and be moot.

In any event , finding virtues in other engines and weaknesses in Rybka is a healthy counterweight to the many Rybka enthusiasts here who arrogantly react to any setback as some

sort of Rybka technical glitch which Vas will quickly correct or some other more insidious,maybe even conspiratorial effort to infibulate Rybka from conceiving her otherwise certain brilliancies.

Best regards,
David
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2007-11-09 00:09 Edited 2007-11-09 00:17
Hi David,

Yes, if it weren't for Harvey we would not have had access to a number of Tournaments. I have never know Harvey to be anything but good natured in his ribbing of Rybka and her members. I have been given to understand that there is nothing but a deep respect between Vas and the Hiarcs team.

I want to add though that sometimes Harvey can say something that will come across as a cutting remark- I've been the recipient of one those on occasion. But it cause me to take more of closer look at myself and see if there wasn't something there that I needed to address. But this comes with the territory.

Yours,

Robert
Parent - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2007-11-07 17:10
Ahhh, you have returned!  What have you been up to lately?
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2007-11-07 17:11
Crushing Rybka on all of them, perhaps--but is it actually winning any of the games?
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2007-11-07 17:19
well its getting fish for supper each day.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2007-11-07 17:48 Edited 2007-11-07 17:58
Your response to my question leaves me with the impression that this fish is raw, and that Zappa is biting off more than it can chew. :-D
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2007-11-07 17:51
Or it just likes Sushi!?
Parent - - By -valdimor- (**) Date 2007-11-07 19:08
oh man if i hear one more of these fish jokes i'm gonna hang myself
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2007-11-08 01:27
John: 'Mary, please give me your jacks'.

Mary: 'Go rybka!'.
Parent - - By richbell (**) Date 2007-11-07 19:49 Edited 2007-11-07 19:51
It's what 8-18 processor box? This should be joke of the year. I think it's just another marketing gimmick to sell Zappa without competing another tournament.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2007-11-07 19:50
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Parent - By ZappaMexicoFan (*) Date 2007-11-07 19:59
is this a joke or is there really another zappa mexico verion coming out? is so where does it say this?
Parent - By richbell (**) Date 2007-11-07 19:59
Harvey, can you show any substantial proof? or you are going to just sit there and tease us with those gossips? BTW your culinary art on rybka recipe sounds better, you can try those instead :-)
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