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- - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-19 15:01
Komodo 5 release now available!

Komodo 5 has just been released.  At the moment only the SP version is
available but we have a prototype of the MP version that we are
working hard to get ready.

Please note that the 32 bit versions are not yet avaiable - but will
be available within the next couple of days.  The web site is not very
clear on that point and our webmaster is on a long sabbitical.

Also please note that there will not be a Komodo 4.1 release.  However
to fullfill our promise of Komodo 4 MP, you will be able to get both
Komodo 5 SP and MP for the same price you would have payed to get
Komodo 4 MP.  Simply puchase Komodo 5 SP for the discounted price and
you will be able to obtain Komodo 5 MP for free when it's available.

Komodo 5 has many improvements and bug fixes over Komodo 4 and will
play a much stronger game.

- automatic SSE4.2 detection
- several evaluation improvements
- time control improvements
- search is better
- multipv implemention improved
- Hash table utilization better
- many others
Parent - - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [sa] Date 2012-07-19 15:16
Is there an elo improvement?
Parent - - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-19 17:17
There is certainly an elo improvement, but as this depends on the time limit, we'd rather not be quoted on a single number. Let's see what the testers say.
Parent - By FWCC (***) [us] Date 2012-07-21 16:56
Congratulations on the release Larry.I hope Komodo 5 MP will give Houdini a run for the money.
Parent - - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-19 18:45
After 2000 games at 2' + 2" our beta testers report +33 elo over Komodo 4. This gain will probably be less at longer time controls, but hopefully not too much less.
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2012-07-22 05:14
that is a fair increase for the price
Parent - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-22 16:39
IPON reports +27 elo, while CCRL and CEGT are both showing a bit over 30 elo, so it looks like all the results are pretty much in agreement.
Parent - - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-07-19 16:24 Edited 2012-07-19 17:57
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Parent - - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-19 17:19
Apparently you misunderstand. You will be able to get Komodo 5 MP when available for the $20 price promised for Komodo 4 MP (if you bought Komodo 4 sp)! We merely offer you the option of getting Komodo 5 SP now for the same $20, then getting Komodo 5 MP for free.
Parent - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-07-19 17:58
:cool:

Thanks for clearing that up! Deleted comment!
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2012-07-19 18:32
To be clear - as a brand new customer, you purchase Komodo 5 SP for $29.95, and then get Komodo 5 MP free ? If so, that is a very good deal.
Parent - - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-19 18:46
No, that is for people who already paid for Komodo 4. For new purchasers it is $29.95 for Komodo 5 SP, with the promise that you can take that off the price of Komodo 5 MP when it is released.
Parent - By Ray (****) Date 2012-07-19 18:57
OK, I was confused !
Parent - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-07-19 19:11
I left you a PM- I got the opportunity to download Komod 4 and 4-1  but not Komod 5 after making a payment of $19.95! I feel like I just played the slots.:lol:
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-07-20 00:44
the promisse of a MP version...i think Houdart will start working for a NGO before you release it...
Parent - - By cma6 (****) Date 2012-07-20 02:38
Hi Larry, I just went to your site to buy K5, but the price was $29.95. I thought it was $20 for purchasers of K4.
Is there a way to purchase by send an email with $20 payment to some email address?
Parent - - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-20 03:17
I believe that if you proceed further with the purchase, it will lower the price to $20 if you bought K4. If for some reason this does not happen, email dailey.don@gmail.com.
Parent - By Caissafan (***) Date 2012-07-21 18:27
I must admit cma6. Buying the software with lower price on your selling website one had to be a lucky guy. Not user-friendly, not commonly understandable.
Parent - - By irulats (****) [ie] Date 2012-07-19 17:47
Will there be an updated 'own book' file, Larry?
Parent - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-19 18:47
No, no update is planned now.
Parent - - By irulats (****) [ie] Date 2012-07-19 17:59
I'm not sure if this is a bug or not, but the MultiPV option often has the same moves albeit at different depths. I saw this same behaviour in one of the Critter versions but it's not in the latest (1.6a).
Parent - - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-19 18:47
No, this is not a bug, it just shows both the old and new info. Some engines just delete the old info.
Parent - - By irulats (****) [ie] Date 2012-07-19 19:20

> No, this is not a bug, it just shows both the old and new info. Some engines just delete the old info.


Fair enough, but I think Komodo 4 deletes it. It meant that one always saw 4 different moves with 4 different evaluations. Now, even with pv = 4 only 2 moves might be displayed for a few minutes.

I ran both at command prompt and it seems that K5 just keeps pumping out the infos as you say. :confused: See the difference in the volume of output between d17 and 19 below...

I personally prefer the K4 output... :smile:

PS fen is
1rbqkb1r/p4ppp/2p2n2/nB2p1N1/8/5Q2/PPPP1PPP/RNB1K2R w KQk - 0 9
Komodo 4 output

info depth 17
info multipv 1 score cp 43 depth 17 time 134744 nodes 31621397 nps 234677 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 e8g8 e4f6 e7f6 b1c3 f6g5 e1g1 f7f5 b2b3 c8e6 f1d1 d8e7 d2d4 g5c1 a1c
1 e5e4 f3f4 b8d8 f4e5 a5b7
info multipv 2 score cp 36 depth 17 time 167343 nodes 31621397 nps 188961 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8e7 b1c3 e8g8 e1g1 d8d6 e4d3 f7f5 f3e3 d6c7 f2f3 e7g5 e3f
2 c8e6 b2b3 c7b6 f2b6
info multipv 3 score cp 13 depth 17 time 176037 nodes 31621397 nps 179629 pv b5c
6 a5c6 f3c6 f6d7 d2d3 f8e7 g5f3 c8b7 c6a4 e8g8 b1c3 b7f3 g2f3 d7c5 a4g4 c5e6 h1g
1 e7b4 c1d2 b4c5 b2b3 d8d6 d2e3 f7f5
info multipv 4 score cp -10 depth 17 time 183776 nodes 31621397 nps 172064 pv b5
f1 f8e7 b1c3 e8g8 f1d3 h7h6 g5e4 f6d5 e4g3 d5b4 e1g1 b4d3 c2d3 f7f5 f1e1 e7d6 b2
b3 d8g5 c1b2 g5d2 e1e2 d2f4 f3f4 e5f4
info depth 17 time 183856 nodes 31621397 score cp 43 nps 171989 pv b5e2 f8e7 g5e
4 e8g8 e4f6 e7f6 b1c3 f6g5 e1g1 f7f5 b2b3 c8e6 f1d1 d8e7 d2d4 g5c1 a1c1 e5e4 f3f
4 b8d8 f4e5 a5b7
info depth 18
info multipv 1 score cp 38 depth 18 time 261148 nodes 74489933 nps 285240 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8e7 b1c3 e8g8 e1g1 d8d7 f3h5 f7f5 e4f3 a5b7 f3e2 d7d6 e2c
4 c8e6 c4e6 d6e6 d2d3 b7d6 b2b3 a7a6 c1e3
info multipv 2 score cp 24 depth 18 time 331306 nodes 74489933 nps 224837 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 c6c5 e1g1 c8b7 e4e3 a5c6 e2f3 d8d4 c2c3 d4d7 b1a
3 f7f5 a3c4 e5e4 f3h5
info multipv 3 score cp 14 depth 18 time 347431 nodes 74489933 nps 214402 pv b5c
6 a5c6 f3c6 f6d7 d2d3 f8e7 g5e4 e8g8 e1g1 b8b6 c6c3 f7f5 e4d2 c8b7 a2a3 b7d5 d2c
4 b6g6 g2g3 d8c7 f1e1 g6c6 b1d2
info multipv 4 score cp -1 depth 18 time 360059 nodes 74489933 nps 206882 pv b5a
4 b8b4 b1c3 h7h6 g5h3 f8d6 a2a3 b4d4 d2d3 e8g8 e1g1 d8c7 b2b4 e5e4 f3e3 d6h2 g1h
1 f8d8 b4a5 f6g4 e3e1 e4d3 c2d3 c8e6
info depth 18 time 360253 nodes 74489933 score cp 38 nps 206770 pv b5d3 h7h6 g5e
4 f6e4 d3e4 f8e7 b1c3 e8g8 e1g1 d8d7 f3h5 f7f5 e4f3 a5b7 f3e2 d7d6 e2c4 c8e6 c4e
6 d6e6 d2d3 b7d6 b2b3 a7a6 c1e3
info depth 19

Komodo 5 output

info depth 17
info multipv 1 score cp 36 depth 17 time 105242 nodes 30939925 nps 293987 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 d8d4 e4d4 e5d4 d2d3 f8e8 a2a3 a5b7 b1d2 b7d6 d2f
3 c6c5 b3b4 c5b4 a3b4 b8b4
info multipv 2 score cp 41 depth 16 time 105242 nodes 30939925 nps 293987 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b1c3 d8d4 b2b3 g7g6 e4d4 e5d4 c3e4 f7f5 e4g3 f8d8 c1b
2 c8e6 e1g1 e7g5
info multipv 3 score cp 39 depth 16 time 105242 nodes 30939925 nps 293987 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8d6 b1c3 e8g8 e4f5 c8f5 f3f5 d6b4 b2b3 d8d4 e1g1 f8e8 f5f
3 e5e4 f3e3 b8d8 f1e1
info multipv 4 score cp 28 depth 16 time 105242 nodes 30939925 nps 293987 pv b5c
6 a5c6 f3c6 f6d7 d2d3 h7h6 g5f3 c8b7 c6a4 b7f3 g2f3 b8b4 a4c6 b4b6 c6c4 f8c5 e1g
1 b6b4 c4d5 b4d4 d5c6 d4d6 c6e4
info multipv 1 score cp 36 depth 17 time 110056 nodes 32613750 nps 296336 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 d8d4 e4d4 e5d4 d2d3 f8e8 a2a3 a5b7 b1d2 b7d6 d2f
3 c6c5 b3b4 c5b4 a3b4 b8b4
info multipv 2 score cp 35 depth 17 time 110056 nodes 32613750 nps 296336 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8d6 b1c3 e8g8 e4f5 a5b7 b2b3 b7c5 e1g1 c8f5 f3f5 d8h4 g2g
3 h4d4 f1e1 e5e4
info multipv 3 score cp 41 depth 16 time 110056 nodes 32613750 nps 296336 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b1c3 d8d4 b2b3 g7g6 e4d4 e5d4 c3e4 f7f5 e4g3 f8d8 c1b
2 c8e6 e1g1 e7g5
info multipv 4 score cp 39 depth 16 time 110056 nodes 32613750 nps 296336 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8d6 b1c3 e8g8 e4f5 c8f5 f3f5 d6b4 b2b3 d8d4 e1g1 f8e8 f5f
3 e5e4 f3e3 b8d8 f1e1
info multipv 1 score cp 36 depth 17 time 123137 nodes 35521582 nps 288470 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 d8d4 e4d4 e5d4 d2d3 f8e8 a2a3 a5b7 b1d2 b7d6 d2f
3 c6c5 b3b4 c5b4 a3b4 b8b4
info multipv 2 score cp 35 depth 17 time 123137 nodes 35521582 nps 288470 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8d6 b1c3 e8g8 e4f5 a5b7 b2b3 b7c5 e1g1 c8f5 f3f5 d8h4 g2g
3 h4d4 f1e1 e5e4
info multipv 3 score cp 35 depth 17 time 123137 nodes 35521582 nps 288470 pv b5c
6 a5c6 f3c6 f6d7 d2d3 h7h6 g5f3 c8b7 c6a4 b7f3 g2f3 b8b4 a4c6 b4b6 c6c4 f8c5 e1g
1 e8g8 b1c3 b6b4 c4d5 b4d4 d5b7 d4b4 b7c6
info multipv 4 score cp 41 depth 16 time 123137 nodes 35521582 nps 288470 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b1c3 d8d4 b2b3 g7g6 e4d4 e5d4 c3e4 f7f5 e4g3 f8d8 c1b
2 c8e6 e1g1 e7g5
info multipv 1 score cp 36 depth 17 time 126925 nodes 35907944 nps 282905 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 d8d4 e4d4 e5d4 d2d3 f8e8 a2a3 a5b7 b1d2 b7d6 d2f
3 c6c5 b3b4 c5b4 a3b4 b8b4
info multipv 2 score cp 35 depth 17 time 126925 nodes 35907944 nps 282905 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8d6 b1c3 e8g8 e4f5 a5b7 b2b3 b7c5 e1g1 c8f5 f3f5 d8h4 g2g
3 h4d4 f1e1 e5e4
info multipv 3 score cp 35 depth 17 time 126925 nodes 35907944 nps 282905 pv b5c
6 a5c6 f3c6 f6d7 d2d3 h7h6 g5f3 c8b7 c6a4 b7f3 g2f3 b8b4 a4c6 b4b6 c6c4 f8c5 e1g
1 e8g8 b1c3 b6b4 c4d5 b4d4 d5b7 d4b4 b7c6
info multipv 4 score cp -798 depth 17 time 126925 nodes 35907944 nps 282905 pv f
3f6 g7f6 b5e2 f6g5 b1c3 f8e7 e1g1 e8g8 d2d3 c8e6 h2h3 g8g7 a2a3 f7f5 b2b4 d8d4 c
1d2 a5b7 f1e1
info multipv 1 score cp 36 depth 17 time 131366 nodes 36909736 nps 280968 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 d8d4 e4d4 e5d4 d2d3 f8e8 a2a3 a5b7 b1d2 b7d6 d2f
3 c6c5 b3b4 c5b4 a3b4 b8b4
info multipv 2 score cp 35 depth 17 time 131366 nodes 36909736 nps 280968 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8d6 b1c3 e8g8 e4f5 a5b7 b2b3 b7c5 e1g1 c8f5 f3f5 d8h4 g2g
3 h4d4 f1e1 e5e4
info multipv 3 score cp 35 depth 17 time 131366 nodes 36909736 nps 280968 pv b5c
6 a5c6 f3c6 f6d7 d2d3 h7h6 g5f3 c8b7 c6a4 b7f3 g2f3 b8b4 a4c6 b4b6 c6c4 f8c5 e1g
1 e8g8 b1c3 b6b4 c4d5 b4d4 d5b7 d4b4 b7c6
info multipv 4 score cp -180 depth 17 time 131366 nodes 36909736 nps 280968 pv g
5f7 e8f7 b5d3 d8d5 d3e2 c8g4 f3g3 g4e2 b1c3 f6e4 c3d5 e4g3 h2g3 c6d5 e1e2 a5c6 b
2b3 c6d4 e2d1 f7g6 c2c3 d4c6 d1e1 e5e4 b3b4 f8d6 a2a4
info multipv 1 score cp 36 depth 17 time 178237 nodes 49143303 nps 275718 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 d8d4 e4d4 e5d4 d2d3 f8e8 a2a3 a5b7 b1d2 b7d6 d2f
3 c6c5 b3b4 c5b4 a3b4 b8b4
info multipv 2 score cp 35 depth 17 time 178237 nodes 49143303 nps 275718 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8d6 b1c3 e8g8 e4f5 a5b7 b2b3 b7c5 e1g1 c8f5 f3f5 d8h4 g2g
3 h4d4 f1e1 e5e4
info multipv 3 score cp 35 depth 17 time 178237 nodes 49143303 nps 275718 pv b5c
6 a5c6 f3c6 f6d7 d2d3 h7h6 g5f3 c8b7 c6a4 b7f3 g2f3 b8b4 a4c6 b4b6 c6c4 f8c5 e1g
1 e8g8 b1c3 b6b4 c4d5 b4d4 d5b7 d4b4 b7c6
info multipv 4 score cp 11 depth 17 time 178237 nodes 49143303 nps 275718 pv b5a
4 b8b4 b1c3 h7h6 g5h3 c8g4 f3e3 d8d4 b2b3 g4f5 c1a3 b4b7 a3f8 h8f8 e1c1 d4d6 d2d
3 f6g4 e3f3 d6a3 c1b1
info depth 18
info multipv 1 score cp 35 depth 18 time 199286 nodes 54166976 nps 271805 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 c8e6 c1b2 e7d6 e1g1 f7f5 e4e3 d8c7 b2a3 d6a3 b1a
3 b8d8 a3c4 a5c4 e2c4 e6c4 b3c4 d8d4
info multipv 2 score cp 36 depth 17 time 199286 nodes 54166976 nps 271805 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 d8d4 e4d4 e5d4 d2d3 f8e8 a2a3 a5b7 b1d2 b7d6 d2f
3 c6c5 b3b4 c5b4 a3b4 b8b4
info multipv 3 score cp 35 depth 17 time 199286 nodes 54166976 nps 271805 pv b5c
6 a5c6 f3c6 f6d7 d2d3 h7h6 g5f3 c8b7 c6a4 b7f3 g2f3 b8b4 a4c6 b4b6 c6c4 f8c5 e1g
1 e8g8 b1c3 b6b4 c4d5 b4d4 d5b7 d4b4 b7c6
info multipv 4 score cp 35 depth 17 time 199286 nodes 54166976 nps 271805 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8d6 b1c3 e8g8 e4f5 a5b7 b2b3 b7c5 e1g1 c8f5 f3f5 d8h4 g2g
3 h4d4 f1e1 e5e4
info multipv 1 score cp 35 depth 18 time 206955 nodes 56894478 nps 274912 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 c8e6 c1b2 e7d6 e1g1 f7f5 e4e3 d8c7 b2a3 d6a3 b1a
3 b8d8 a3c4 a5c4 e2c4 e6c4 b3c4 d8d4
info multipv 2 score cp 35 depth 18 time 206955 nodes 56894478 nps 274912 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8d6 b1c3 e8g8 e4f5 c8f5 f3f5 c6c5 b2b3 a5c6 e1g1 c6d4 f5d
3 f7f5 c3e2 d8h4 h2h3 f8f7 c1b2
info multipv 3 score cp 36 depth 17 time 206955 nodes 56894478 nps 274912 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 d8d4 e4d4 e5d4 d2d3 f8e8 a2a3 a5b7 b1d2 b7d6 d2f
3 c6c5 b3b4 c5b4 a3b4 b8b4
info multipv 4 score cp 35 depth 17 time 206955 nodes 56894478 nps 274912 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8d6 b1c3 e8g8 e4f5 a5b7 b2b3 b7c5 e1g1 c8f5 f3f5 d8h4 g2g
3 h4d4 f1e1 e5e4
info multipv 1 score cp 35 depth 18 time 223356 nodes 62968399 nps 281918 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 c8e6 c1b2 e7d6 e1g1 f7f5 e4e3 d8c7 b2a3 d6a3 b1a
3 b8d8 a3c4 a5c4 e2c4 e6c4 b3c4 d8d4
info multipv 2 score cp 35 depth 18 time 223356 nodes 62968399 nps 281918 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8d6 b1c3 e8g8 e4f5 c8f5 f3f5 c6c5 b2b3 a5c6 e1g1 c6d4 f5d
3 f7f5 c3e2 d8h4 h2h3 f8f7 c1b2
info multipv 3 score cp 5 depth 18 time 223356 nodes 62968399 nps 281918 pv b5c6
 a5c6 f3c6 f6d7 d2d3 f8e7 g5f3 c8b7 c6a4 b7f3 g2f3 e8g8 b1c3 d7c5 a4g4 c5e6 h1g1
 g7g6 e1d1 b8b4 g4g3 e6f4 a2a3 e7h4 a3b4
info multipv 4 score cp 36 depth 17 time 223356 nodes 62968399 nps 281918 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 d8d4 e4d4 e5d4 d2d3 f8e8 a2a3 a5b7 b1d2 b7d6 d2f
3 c6c5 b3b4 c5b4 a3b4 b8b4
info multipv 1 score cp 35 depth 18 time 234589 nodes 65580479 nps 279553 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 c8e6 c1b2 e7d6 e1g1 f7f5 e4e3 d8c7 b2a3 d6a3 b1a
3 b8d8 a3c4 a5c4 e2c4 e6c4 b3c4 d8d4
info multipv 2 score cp 35 depth 18 time 234589 nodes 65580479 nps 279553 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8d6 b1c3 e8g8 e4f5 c8f5 f3f5 c6c5 b2b3 a5c6 e1g1 c6d4 f5d
3 f7f5 c3e2 d8h4 h2h3 f8f7 c1b2
info multipv 3 score cp 5 depth 18 time 234589 nodes 65580479 nps 279553 pv b5c6
 a5c6 f3c6 f6d7 d2d3 f8e7 g5f3 c8b7 c6a4 b7f3 g2f3 e8g8 b1c3 d7c5 a4g4 c5e6 h1g1
 g7g6 e1d1 b8b4 g4g3 e6f4 a2a3 e7h4 a3b4
info multipv 4 score cp -804 depth 18 time 234589 nodes 65580479 nps 279553 pv f
3f6 g7f6 b5e2 f6g5 b1c3 f8e7 e1g1 e8g8 f1e1 c8e6 h2h3 f7f5 a2a3 a5c4 e2c4 e6c4 d
2d3 c4e6 e1e5 d8d6 e5e1 e7f6
info multipv 1 score cp 35 depth 18 time 245162 nodes 67033087 nps 273423 pv b5e
2 f8e7 g5e4 f6e4 f3e4 e8g8 b2b3 c8e6 c1b2 e7d6 e1g1 f7f5 e4e3 d8c7 b2a3 d6a3 b1a
3 b8d8 a3c4 a5c4 e2c4 e6c4 b3c4 d8d4
info multipv 2 score cp 35 depth 18 time 245162 nodes 67033087 nps 273423 pv b5d
3 h7h6 g5e4 f6e4 d3e4 f8d6 b1c3 e8g8 e4f5 c8f5 f3f5 c6c5 b2b3 a5c6 e1g1 c6d4 f5d
3 f7f5 c3e2 d8h4 h2h3 f8f7 c1b2
info multipv 3 score cp 5 depth 18 time 245162 nodes 67033087 nps 273423 pv b5c6
 a5c6 f3c6 f6d7 d2d3 f8e7 g5f3 c8b7 c6a4 b7f3 g2f3 e8g8 b1c3 d7c5 a4g4 c5e6 h1g1
 g7g6 e1d1 b8b4 g4g3 e6f4 a2a3 e7h4 a3b4
info multipv 4 score cp -180 depth 18 time 245162 nodes 67033087 nps 273423 pv g
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Parent - - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-19 19:54
Something was not correct about the way it was handled in K4, I forget just what the problem was. Regardless of what it looks like, K5 output is more correct.
Parent - By irulats (****) [ie] Date 2012-07-19 21:37

> Regardless of what it looks like, K5 output is more correct.


That's fair enough. Thanks for the feedback. :smile:
Parent - By Caissafan (***) Date 2012-07-21 18:30
Larry, that was a bad decision! I've been analysing with Komodo 5 and got confused. Not user-friendly, and the only engine running this way. A fine example was Critter's PV output: commonly understandable, giving out all information at every time!
Parent - - By Razor (****) [gb] Date 2012-07-19 18:28
If an existing K4 SP user doesn't want the K5 MP product, I assume he/she will still need to pay the same amount of money for the K5 SP upgrade - true?
Parent - - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-19 18:49
Yes. We should really charge more than this for the upgrade to K5 MP, but then we would have to offer K4 MP for $20 and we decided against doing it that way. You are still saving $10 over a new purchaser of K5 SP.
Parent - - By Razor (****) [gb] Date 2012-07-19 20:13
Yep, I see that now.

What is your view on older versions - will these become cheaper or perhaps free at any point - e.g., I note K4 is still priced at approx $20 for example - do you see a time when this will reduce in price/become free?
Parent - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-19 20:36
At some point old versions should become free, we just haven't discussed details about this yet. Offhand it seems reasonable to make version X free when version (X+2) is for sale.
Parent - - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2012-07-19 18:55
One thing that would be very helpful to know is what your intended upgrade path is. Do you plan your next release to be Komodo 5 MP (i.e. EXACTLY the same as K5, but MP) or are you intending a stronger SP version (Komodo 5.1) with a MP version to go with it?

I'm trying to get a feel as to whether the development of the SP continues as the MP is being developed.
Parent - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-19 19:43
The intent is to release Komodo 5 MP to be exactly the same as Komodo 5 SP if run with 1 thread. If for some reason this takes longer than expected and we happen to improve Komodo in the interim we'll have to discuss what to do then. In the future I expect we will release SP and MP simultaneously as everyone but Fritz seems to do.
Parent - - By cc2150dx (*) [ca] Date 2012-07-19 20:40 Edited 2012-07-19 20:46
I purchased Komodo 5, and when I hit the -DOWNLOAD- link I get Komodo4.zip...shouldn't it say Komodo5.zip?

and also, all the engines inside say Komodo4
Parent - - By lkaufman (*****) Date 2012-07-19 20:56
Send an email to dailey.don@gmail.com with this information, he'll make it right.
Parent - - By cc2150dx (*) [ca] Date 2012-07-19 21:00
I will do so.

Thanks Larry
Parent - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-07-19 23:30
Have you received the download link yet?
Parent - - By DonDailey (**) [us] Date 2012-07-19 21:38
Do not try to download Komodo 5 from the site,  that does not work any longer.     You should get an email with a link within a few minutes.  

If you do not get the email with the link,  check you spam or junk mail folder.  

Don
Parent - - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-07-19 22:08
It's going on a 30 minutes since posting with no email download link coming.
Parent - - By tomgdrums (****) Date 2012-07-20 02:36

> It's going on a 30 minutes since posting with no email download link coming


It has been 6 hours since I purchased Komodo 5 and I still have no email download link.
Parent - - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-07-20 02:59
I'm sure Don will work out the problem in time. As long as that is all it is!
Parent - - By tomgdrums (****) Date 2012-07-20 04:05
Don just took care of it via private email.

Although on talkchess Larry is talking about the need for a different compile for AMD processors but K5 seems fine on my computer (of course I just checked it with a couple of Spielmann sacrifices from The Art of Sacrifice in CHess.  (what a great book that it is!)

Oddly enough Komodo 4 and Junior 13 tend to like Spielmann's sacrifices the most.
Parent - - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-07-20 05:13
Well, then you are one of the lucky ones because I have yet to received the download or any correspondence from Don re: Komodo 5.
Parent - By tomgdrums (****) Date 2012-07-20 11:08
Somewhere in this thread Larry posted Don's gmail and that is the best way to get hold of him.  I used that email and Don responded quickly.

That is probably your best way to go.
Parent - By Ray (****) Date 2012-07-20 05:34

> Although on talkchess Larry is talking about the need for a different compile for AMD processors but K5 seems fine on my computer


Seems OK here too, nothing obviously wrong. But I haven't compared it to Intel.
Parent - - By DonDailey (**) [us] Date 2012-07-20 12:33
If this happens to anyone after 30-60 just send a private email to me and if I see that you have ordered I will send you a link. 

send to  dailey.don@gmail.com

Don
Parent - - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-07-20 14:14
I sent an email as soon as Larry had indicated by private PM to do so? With a copy of my billing receipts from both transactions! Be that as it may I sent you another email. Appreciate it. Thanks. But please give us a heads up if anything has been compromised.
Parent - - By DonDailey (**) [us] Date 2012-07-20 14:22
I still cannot find your email address.   You must send me a real emal,  not a post or PM so that I can send you a download link.    I'm not going to post it here even via a PM. 

Probably your email address is in the records (since you ordered komodo) but I'm not sure what to look for.    My web guy is much more adept at this sort of thing. 

So send me an email at:   dailey.don@gmail.com    and I will immediately send you a temporary link to download komodo.   

Don
Parent - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-07-20 14:58

> You must send me a real emal,


Yes! I did send you a "real" email! Via roadrunner. Yesterday!

Be that as it may -I sent another-hopefully that one will get to you! I don't know what went wrong.
Parent - - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-07-20 20:35 Edited 2012-07-20 20:38
I probably piss you off a hell of a lot!:roll: :lol:

But, the fact is you turned out a really nice chess engine. It is getting interesting. Congratulations! When you finally get around to it. Komodo MP will be something to reckon with. :cool:
Parent - - By DonDailey (**) [us] Date 2012-07-20 20:56
Don't worry about that - I just wanted to help you and was getting frustrated that I couldn't figure out how to.    I definitely appreciate the kind words.

Actually,   I hope people enjoy Komodo as much as we enjoyed creating it.
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