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- - By pawel.newyork (*) Date 2012-07-19 00:23
This is what I found on Facebook today:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The development of Houdini has been relatively slow lately, mostly because I've been working on my big telescope - see http://www.cruxis.com/scope/scope1100.htm if you're interested.

Still, there has been some progress for Houdini. I have run a couple of 9,000 game matches at 2'+2" time control between the current Houdini 3 DEV version and previous Houdini versions. The Houdini 3 DEV version scores 57.2% against Houdini 2.0 (+50 +/- 4 Elo), and 60.2% against Houdini 1.5 (+72 +/- 4 Elo).

As announced before, the Houdini 3 Release is scheduled for September/October, it may depend on the weather and the observing time with the new telescope ;).
Parent - - By Gaмßito (****) Date 2012-07-19 05:01

> The Houdini 3 DEV version scores 57.2% against Houdini 2.0 (+50 +/- 4 Elo), and 60.2% against Houdini 1.5 (+72 +/- 4 Elo).


This is really quite impressive. Houdini 3 will be more than 110 Elo points stronger than Rybka 4.1! Kudos to Robert Houdart for this magnificent achievement!

Regards,
Gaмßito.
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2012-07-19 12:07
With two more months to improve it further.  And yet, you just know he will be vilified in some quarters.  He is not a card-carrying member of the Chess Programmer Union (CPU).  In effect, he is a source of unemployment.
Parent - - By jammy (***) Date 2012-07-19 12:54
But to the people that really matter, i.e. the ones that pay for his engine, he (it) is the tops, so what the CPU think of Houdini means nothing to 99.9% of the chess world.
All you seem to read from them (CPU) is that a) copied b and b)copied c) who copied most of his stuff from a) in the first place. :neutral:

Anyway, lets get it first,  I've seen more than enough rumours about new engines coming out....still waiting for all of them :confused:
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2012-07-19 13:54
Well spoken.  Personally, I think the CPU is a subsidiary of the CPUSA.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2012-07-20 03:05
I think that if the improvements turn out to be as great as he is saying now, he will find a lot of "forgiveness" in the field.  I would certainly view it as his engine at that point.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-20 03:21 Edited 2012-07-20 03:25
Well, I'm not holding my breath.

I still don't think Sal's tuning of Houndini should be so casually dismissed.
Parent - - By Peter Grayson (****) Date 2012-07-20 17:00

> Well, I'm not holding my breath.


I am because I tend to find when engines are optimised, their performance seems signficantly better than that achieved by the test-houses. Deep Rybka 4 was certainly in that category.

See:
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?pid=261683;hl=Rybka

I suspect we will have the same discussions when Deep Rybka 5 is released.

PeterG
Parent - By jammy (***) Date 2012-07-22 14:56
That is one engine that I will not be  " holding my breath." for. But I live in hope, I do the same thing everytime I fill in my Euro lottery numbers too :grin:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-22 17:29
Vas' purported concern over reverse engineering of Rybka , in my estimation, is looking unfounded. If  Houdini can survive , I would imagine so could Rybka  from version to version. The Custer is the excuse  and the cause of his providing a hobbled version.  I think it has cost him in time,  money and something he needed most urgently in the past year- credibility.
Parent - - By Peter Grayson (****) Date 2012-07-22 19:18

> If Houdini can survive , I would imagine so could Rybka from version to version


I wouldn't doubt the likelihood that Rybka 5 public release would be a commercial success unless it was very quickly found its performance was some way below expectation. As long as Vas can keep the interest going he should be OK but it is a tough market now particularly with so many good free engines available.

To a large degree, it depends what his ambitions are on the public side. Commercially it makes sense to have some diversity in case the cluster loses its attraction for whoever is paying for it.

All speculation of course so we shall have to wait and see.

PeterG
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-22 19:37

> All speculation of course so we shall have to wait and see.


The release of an unfettered Rybka 5 that was able to take the lead once agan- would certainly breathe new life into this hobby and bring with it a sense of  exhiliration - a shot in the arm that no other chess engine could give it.  It would be no small coup for Vas, and  would undeniably  reinvigorate interest in the man and his work.
Parent - By Razor (****) Date 2012-07-22 20:05
I agree with your latter point.
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