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- - By Denkko (**) Date 2012-07-14 22:24
Hello, does anybody knows if I need a video card for a desktop computer?. The computer will be use only to play engine chess.
Thx for the help guys!
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-07-15 03:12
You do, because otherwise you can't see anything on the monitor. However, you probably already have an integrated one. As long as the computer has one of these:



You connect your monitor there and you're done. You don't need an extra video card.
Parent - By Regularuser (***) Date 2012-07-15 06:34
No, not necessarily.   Some motherboards have the graphics built into them, some don't.   With the ones that don't you need a grahpics card or as Uly says you won't be able to see anything.

Graphics cards are normally more powerful than the graphics built into some motherboards.   But for chess that extra graphics power is completely wasted.  So if you are building a deshtop purely for chess, find a motherboard with the graphics built in.   You will save money.
Parent - By abtp (*) Date 2012-07-15 09:11
A caveat: The built-in video card normally uses part of the system memory, so make sure you have enough memory left for the engine's hash table
Parent - - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2012-07-15 13:50
A graphics card that is 100x more powerful than any motherboard graphics can be had for cheap.

The integrated graphics are notoriously, unbelievably slow. Maybe you really will only use the system for chess, but the moment you do anything graphics intensive it will be slow.

For example the 9800gt is only $ 80.
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2012-07-15 13:56
Depends what you do with the machine. My machines at work for the last several years have all had built-in graphics, and they have been fine, as has one machine at home here. As long as you don't play games, they are good for almost everything else. My current work machine uses Sandybridge CPU built in graphics, and that is superb
Parent - By Vegan (****) Date 2012-07-15 15:37
Because I do more than chess I use an expensive GTX 260 which costs more then the top AMD CPU for sale.

I play chess against the computer once in a while, but its only 1 of 100 games I have.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-15 15:45
You can buy a reasonably inexpensive graphics card.

But more importantly my question is,  what is your setup?

You haven't given any info on what cpu you are running , motherboard , nada?
Parent - - By Vegan (****) Date 2012-07-15 15:57
PCI Express is the current slot, sadly some cheap machines do not even have a video card slot depriving the owner of the option.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-15 17:24
Be nicer to know what Denkko is working with and go from there.
Parent - - By Denkko (**) Date 2012-07-15 20:26 Edited 2012-07-15 21:11
Hi Arriere Pensee ( I am sorry I can not type your name correctly), well this is what I have so far:

Computer Case:  http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1467&ID=2048
Power Supply http://www.corsair.com/us/power-supply-units/ax-series-power-supply-units/professional-series-gold-ax850-80-plus-gold-certified-fully-modular-power-supply.html
Cooling System http://www.corsair.com/us/cpu-cooling-kits/hydro-series-water-cooling-cpu-cooler/hydro-series-h100-extreme-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler.html
Internal Hard Drive (3TB) http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-drives/desktop-hard-drives/barracuda/
Internal Dvd/Cd Burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247

In the next couple of weeks I will be ready to buy the Motherboard, Ram, Graphic Card (inexpensive) and the Cpu. For the CPU I wish I could get maybe this http://www.pcmag.com/article2/c/0,2817,2382884,00.asp. Or other powerfull intel CPU. So, in your opinion, I still have to buy a graphic card?, when you say inexpensive, besides the low price, what are the features that I have to get from that inexpensive graphic card. Can you show me an example for that graphic card?
thank you
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-15 20:36
You have what looks like a great case - good psu -your cooling system is preferential. A substantial hard drive- (do you really need 3TB hard drive? just a question). But you didn't really give me much of an indicator of what cpu? Or mobo? There are a litany of cpu's on that link! That would be the telling feature.

P.S .

Yeah! I would and that would depend on the mobo and the cpu!
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-15 20:47
What kind of monitor?
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-15 21:27
So! You are going highend 2011 socket.

I'm not saying that this is the graphic card -something like it - but, if you are certain you are not going to do ANY gaming - just chess!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133356
Parent - - By Denkko (**) Date 2012-07-15 21:34 Edited 2012-07-16 12:50
Only chess. But, what happens if I play other games. Just a question, because I don't play any other games anyway. 
thnx
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-15 21:45
Depends on the game and how demanding it is. Some games you will not be able to play at all like Bf3 etc.  Some games you can play -the resolution will not be as good and if you try and raise the resolution you will have poor frame rates and it won't run smooth.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-15 21:55
On the i7-930-  I have a EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit.

On the x3930K - I have a MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit.

But I do photography and love to play some demanding games when I get the chance.

I had for years a MSI 9600T OC 256 bit 512MB  that still works great - but, I've grown out of.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-07-18 04:51

> But, what happens if I play other games.


They will play slowly on their frame rate if they are 3D, they will skip frames if they are fast passed, or look sluggish on screen redraws (flash games.) Others will play at full speed but will show graphics glitches (say, characters enters in a house with blinking blue walls that were meant to be grey, and not blink.)

Some modern games will not play at all (they need stuff like pixel shader, etc.)

Otherwise, old games or non-intensive games will play fine. So you can play Minesweeper or even OpenTTD without problems.
Parent - - By Denkko (**) Date 2012-07-18 13:15
Thank you Uly
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-18 13:41
If you want to play any of the games out there today without frustration and disappointment - you will have to sink at least $200 or more into a graphics card. Otherwise -just do what you original planned!
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-07-19 04:07
I actually think that a $60 graphics card will suffice, as long as you decrease the resolution of such games (e.g. turn off anti-aliasing, run at 800x600 resolution, turn off shadows and reflections, etc.)
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-19 06:08
Here is what I would suggest. Find someone who has a decent card and experience what that is like.

" Need for speed"   will not be the same experience with a $60 dollar card.   Nor would I recommend Mass effect 2-3 or Crysis - Black Ops or other first person shooter games- Bioshock et al to be played on a $60 card you are going to get a $60 dollar experience. But if all you want is a $60 experience then go for it. It will most certainly not be the same as it would if you played the game on a decent card.  The enhanced graphics and frame rates make the game flow smoothly and give a more rewarding gaming experience.

I would suggest that if you think you might get into gaming at all go with at the very least a  5 series card. The 4 series are dated.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-07-19 12:37

> The enhanced graphics and frame rates


$60 card should give the same framerate, as actually available memory is more important for that, and here the OP will have plenty.

So it'll all be about the graphics, less detail, less special effects, less realism, more pixelation, etc.

However, I'm from the generation that thinks graphics a good game do not make, it's all about the game-play, immersion, and design. A game will look as a top end game looked 5 years ago, and back then people were having a lot of fun with those games.

Also, your game with $200 card looks like crap when compared to a game from 2017, but it's just as fun.

This is mostly about the placebo effect, like a chocolate that costs $1 and one that costs $20, people will go for the latter if they can afford it, in reality it's nowhere close to tasting 20 times better, it may even taste worse.

This is a picture of the best platformer you can play:



And it'll run at full speed in an integrated card. The one on the right isn't better:



Not even the one on the right is better:



Because the games aren't about the graphics.

I've actually read reviews about players complaining how game developers have focused on adding polygons on their games, to have more crisp and realistic graphics, but leaving what makes a game fun unattended and ending with a crappy game.

If the game is boring, no graphics card on earth will make it fun.

If the game is good, it'll be fun even if it looks like this:


(picture of a top selling game from the top selling console)
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-19 15:16

> However, I'm from the generation that thinks graphics a good game do not make


Again, it depends on what you are willing to settle for - If this is what you like and are used to-that's cool. I certainly wouldn't settle for it. But then I wouldn't be playing the types of games you are illustrating here.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-07-19 23:15
You've missed the good stuff then. The best games aren't about being wooed by the graphics.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-19 23:34
:smile:
Parent - - By Gaмßito (****) Date 2012-07-20 04:36

> The best games aren't about being wooed by the graphics.


Talking about good games, I recommend you this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDahCLW5T3g%5b/url%5d

Regards,
Gaмßito.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-07-20 06:57
Thanks, will check it.
Parent - By Denkko (**) Date 2012-07-20 15:48
good game :)
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-07-21 10:35
Watched the video. It looks very cool, and also, I think a $60 video card would hold it fine :yell:
Parent - By Gaмßito (****) Date 2012-07-21 11:49

> Watched the video. It looks very cool, and also, I think a $60 video card would hold it fine


Yes, In fact any graphic card with pixel shader 3.0 support can run the game without problems. I think the game is free now for PC, (it was originally commercial for Xbox) but I am not sure. If it's free I can upload it to mediafire so you can download it.

Another game you can test it's ''Slender''. This game it's free, very short and with a simple goal. You need to find ''8 notes''. But you're alone in a forest at night with only a lantern that has a limited battery. Each time you take some note things becomes more difficult. The ''slenderman'' appears you time to time. To survive: don't look at him. It's really very creepy if you play it with high volume and in the night alone.

http://www.slendergame.com/index.php

http://www.mediafire.com/?c6e9l45inhxoc4c

Regards,
Gaмßito.
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