I'm looking to build a new system in the coming weeks, which would be used heavily for chess.
I know good cooling is v.important, so what are the pros and cons of both methods and what do people recommend?
From Phill Harris from this thread
Not misleading at all. You must remember that water is roughly 25 times more thermally conductive than air, as well as having a 4 times higher specific heat capacity than air. This makes it substantially more efficient at removing heat from a CPU block. You also ignore the fact that with an air cooler the heat is actually radiated inside the case and relies on case fans to remove it, which will never be even close to 100% efficient. With water cooling the radiator is placed on the perimeter or even outside the case, allowing the heat to be directed straight out, this has a massive effect on thermal efficiency. This means that the efficiency improves with a greater heat load, as the re-circulation of radiated heat is not a significant factor with water cooling.
The best example I can suggest is that if you wanted to cool a bar of metal at 100c you could wave it about in the air as much as you like, but you would never cool it as quickly as sticking it in a bucket of water, even if the air and water were at the same temperature.
As for noise, a well designed water cooling system can be much quieter than any air cooler at the same load. This is because you can use more fans at a lower speed to move the same volume of air. One fan at 2000rpm produces more audible noise than 3 fans at 1000rpm, but moves less air.
My only question is whether water cooled systems are robust enough to handle 100% load around the clock for years without having some kind of breakdown or elaborate regular maintenance.
Radiator is outside hence easy to clear Dust. No Idea About Durability. May be less than air coolers.
But they are great performers. Corsair Kits are good. Specially the H100.
Better to spend the money on a better CPU when a new model comes to market.
Case in point. Prime95 will issue temps besides the fluxuating jumps in temps- 15c over normal o/c. My highlighting would indicate the "overnormal" I would suggest that this dude is o/c ing normally at around 60 - 65c - in a custom cooling build he would be seeing temps at 43-47. That would be my guess. Of course this is just an educated guess.
i7 2600K @ 4.8GHz (1.415v)
H100 CPU cooler (Push/Pull configuration with 4x Enermax Magma 120mm's)
Asus Maximus IV Extreme P67
Mushkin Redline @ 1600MHz 7-9-8-24
EVGA GTX 570 (soon to be SLI)
Corsair AX1200 PSU
Corsair Obsidian 800D case
I downloaded CPU-Z, Prime95, HWMonitor, and Realtemp to test the stability of this overclock for 12 hours straight in Prime95 with no stability issues. My highest core temp reached a maximum of 77c but only for a split second and averaged mid 70's (74-75) for almost the entire time. The first core averaged high 60's (67-68), second and fourth cores averaged low 70's (71-73 max) and CPU temp was 64c pretty much the entire time according to HWMonitor.
You are undoubtedly right that a custom cooling solution is the best. I should have clarified my post to indicate that I cannot do a custom cooling system. Therefore, I am looking only for a self-enclosed kit.
On my i7-930 I have installed a Cooler Master V8 and have been running it for the past 2 years without a problem.
When I did overclocked at 4.1 -I think I was running temps at about 65-70c. Not great but acceptable.
With a higher end chip you need something that is going to do a lot more cooling, especially if you o/c. With an x3930k -I wouldn't go with an enclosed system.
It gets hot.
My only other thought is this one:
"Best thermal performance: the Apogee™ Drive II manages to achieve better thermal performance than the award-winning Apogee™ HD. Best hydraulic performance: thanks to the integrated, PWM controlled MCP35X pump, which has established itself as the best-in-class pump on the market, the Apogee™ Drive II is the world's only waterblock that can be considered as a flow enhancing device, as opposed to a flow-robbing device.
Best retention mechanism: proven time and again to satisfy beginners and hard-core enthusiasts alike for its ease of use, reliability, and repeatable results.
Compact form factor enables liquid cooling in space constrained applications.
Adjustable G1/4 inlet and outlet ports, compatible with all compression fittings."
What do you think of this one?
What other parts do I need to order for the cooling system (radiator, etc.?)
Would putting together such a system be viable for the reasonably capable tech building my system?
Thanks, as always, for your expertise,
all costs approximate-
reservoir -$35- $50
Fitings - $15-
depending on whether you go with compression or clamp- I went with compression-$60
you might need a 45degree compression fitting for the pump (maybe?) $17 per fitting. otherwise - you could go with Bar Fittings at $2.50 to 3.50 a pop. per fitting for decent fittings. you only need about 6 of them.
Radiator - $49- $120 -that is a matter of preference and the type of cpu you are running I chose a triple 120 fan radiatior for the 3930.
Bear minium around perhaps without compression. $320.
I would check prices here -at least you won't be taxed to death.
I also did business here
Also- if you have "any questions" email Gary at sidewinder he has had experience building. I would even query him about the apogee drive ii.
IandH Dead-Water Copper Sulfate Biocidal PC Coolant Additive to distilled water.
Only thing I bought from Frozencpu they will tax the crap out of you!
Once you know what goes into the build you will have no problem researching and figuring out what is best for yourself.
Probably leave that air cooled.
My desktop died after I reapplied grease to the cpu. Have no idea what happened. How much is a Q6600 these days?
I can answer their doubt with 100% yes !
a water-cooling is the perfect cooling and it is absolutely reliable.
The last time I use an air cooler has been-five years ago.that means I have been using 5 years, only water cooling.
I have in this 5 years, never even 1 problem found.
the only thing I'm doing-change the water once a year.its only 30 minutes work !!!
last year here in Germany we had a few days to 35C.my i7 980X @4,2Ghz never got more than 57 temperature (on the hottest core)
a water cooling need not be expensive.
Never buy a ready-made system !!!
always buy all the parts separately and build yourself a system !!
for little money they get a perfect cooling.
Actually , you could do better by building your own system.
>OK, that sounds good, but now the trick is water cooling for a quad-socket machine. I don't know if you could fit all that stuff in a standard server case
Very true and that is one reason I dont use cases in my comp room with my own OCed machines
that's why I always say : Never buy a ready-made system !
by the way:
the DD12V-D5 Pump is a little noisy and it bothered me.
EK Water Blocks EK-DCP 2.2 or EK Water Blocks EK-DCP 4.0
The EK Water Blocks EK-DCP 2.2 is the best price-performance ratio, you can find.
I have this pump for 2 years and it is the best I've ever had !
trust me-laing pumps are not always the best
DD-CPX-Pro 12V Pump by Danger Den and EK Water Blocks EK-DCP 4.0 are almost the same.
Danger Den here in europe is not as well known.
Therefore, "EC" has adopted the model.
Danger Den-EK and Phobya are the same
Had a Corsair cooling system-it failed on me-won't give it another go.
>I know good cooling is v.important, so what are the pros and cons of both methods and what do people recommend?
TBH the main reason (there are others) to go for water cooling is to get a better overclock
>My only question is whether water cooled systems are robust enough to handle 100% load around the clock for years without having some kind of breakdown or elaborate >regular maintenance.
The simple answer is yes they are totally reliable in my experience. Maintenance like air cooled will be to do with dust removal
>I prefer to stick to air. Safer in the long run
Not in my experience, I have seen more systems fail that are air cooled, that said by far computers tend to be air cooled so I would expect more air cooled comps to fail.
Personally I do not like any of the pre built WC units you get from companys such as corsair, simply get a good water block, pump,radiator and a decent sized reservoir and do it yourself. In the future if you change motherboards you may have to replace the waterblock as the mounting holes may not line up.
Air cooling may make too much noise and destroy your computer in the long run.
Me suggests you a PC w/o cooling.
I run such a system with AMD 586. When HDD stops, there's no sound from PC at all...
Chessmaster engine playing uninterrupted for a week and in complete silence...
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