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- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-06-23 06:09
Good luck and have fun zaarcis!

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-06-23 11:54
The same for you, Uly!

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b5 Bxb4 6.c3
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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-06-27 00:01
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-06-27 15:57
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4
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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-06-30 01:34
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-07-01 03:59
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.Qb3
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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-07-05 23:27
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-07-08 12:01
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. 00

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-07-11 07:20
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-07-15 13:35
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-07-16 09:50
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-07-16 14:48
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-07-17 11:01
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-07-18 17:30
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-07-24 03:48
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-07-26 07:04
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3
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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-07-31 01:15
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-07-31 07:03
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5

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Still thinking on my next move.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-07-31 07:59
I was expecting 13.d5, I now think this is a draw.
Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-07-31 10:15
I agree. I also think that it will be draw.
(13.d5 was draw too.)
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-07-31 15:00
Then I'm sending a draw offer, there's no point in continuing with it.

13.d5 required careful play of black and engines were giving black advantage where in reality it's white who has it.
Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-07-31 20:33
You're strong enough to find those careful moves and reach equal position. For example, 13.d5 Ncd4 14.Nbd2 00 (which, as I think, is good enough and not very interesting for me, if black plays good).

I decline offer, because our game still has life in it. Let's reach something what looks more like dead draw, okay?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-01 20:29

> I decline offer, because our game still has life in it. Let's reach something what looks more like dead draw, okay?


As long as you are playing for a win. Otherwise I find the positions after 13. Bxf5 uninteresting.
Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-08-02 05:53
I will try my best.
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) [us] Date 2012-08-25 20:05
13.d5 was the only move that had been previously played in this position, in Dirtydeki1, Deep Rybka 4-KERCH, Deep Rybka 4, 1/2-1/2, 2010.09.08.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-25 20:32
13. Bxf5 is really strong, I'm already in trouble and the main moves of the engines lose on the spot, though of course this must be defendable, I still haven't found a line that stabilizes.

It took me way too long to realize this (5 moves later!), and it's mainly because engines think white is trying to draw the game, but it's not, it's got a nice attack.

If this game ends in draw, it'll not tell the full story of the move, unfortunately.
Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-07-31 10:17
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3

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Parent - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-08-02 10:48
Sorry for double post about move (which I just deleted). Too little sleep.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-06 13:46
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3 d6

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-08-06 20:46
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3 d6 15. exd6

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-09 04:46
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3 d6 15. exd6 Be6

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-08-09 21:01
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3 d6 15. exd6 Be6 16. Nc3

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-14 15:37
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3 d6 15. exd6 Be6 16. Nc3 Qa5

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-08-16 23:50
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3 d6 15. exd6 Be6 16. Nc3 Qa5 17.d5

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-21 02:21
Okay, time to take back all my comments above and apologize about them, these positions are amazing :eek:
Parent - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-08-22 15:35
It's okay.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-26 01:01
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3 d5 15. exd6 Be6 16. Nc3 Qa5 17. d5 Qxa3

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- - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-08-06 07:02
Anyone to finish this game? Uly, I suppose, doesn't find it interesting enough.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-06 07:08
I was going to keep analyzing this game and make a move, but with your attitude I have my doubts. I dislike playing rude people.

Wait for my move or resign, this game doesn't have a clock.
Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-08-06 07:53
I really apologise. I just started to fear that you really left the game.
(Because it isn't interesting and you have lots of others to play, or because I can't say for 100% sure that I will play for win, or smth else. Can I blame the Internet and lack of IRL communication?)

Of course, I will wait, so feel free to use your time as you wish.
Sorry for any rudeness I caused on you. Cheers?
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-06 07:59
Okay. But be sure I never abandon my games without further explanation, and I never said I wasn't going to continue playing.
- - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-08-25 19:26
Interesting, what Nelson Hernandez can say about the game. Nelson, can you please comment?

It's interesting for me even more because I don't know much of opening theory and was out of my (micro)book after Qb3. Any insights about modern Evans gambit theory are welcomed.
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) [us] Date 2012-08-25 20:20
My first comment is on 4.b4.  Even though it is the third most played move in that position, and it has a fairly good success rate at 52.1% and 21.9% draws, it doesn't present a good computer evaluation aspect, which drags it down beneath the four conventional moves c3, d3, O-O and Nc3.  There have also been quite a few tries with 4.a4 that have had remarkable success, though I suspect that this is more the result of a lot of OTB games where the player making that move was much stronger than his opponent.  Anyway, as you guys demonstrated, 4.b4 is playable, though I don't know if it is the path you want to take to win with white.

7.Qb3 is another one I would not have made, preferring the conventional O-O.  In this case empirical results are virtually identical though O-O, being played 9x more often, is the safer path.  Again, it seems like white is avoiding computer lines and that can often lead to trouble if you don't have a concrete trap up ahead.

7...Qf6 is virtually the same as 7...Qe7; you can play either one with confidence.  I liked 8...Bb6, played less than 10% of the time but I think the best move in that situation.

I would have favored 10...Na5 (45.7% with 43.5% draws) over 10...Nge7 (36.7% with 33.3% draws), though the later is playable.  After that there are really too few games left in book upon which to rely, though the book would have preferred either 11.Ba3 or 11.Bd3 over 11.Qd1. 

As far as insights go, I am only reciting what has happened historically; I don't talk in the language of GMs with their practical strategic advice.
Parent - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-08-26 02:01
Thank you!
- - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-08-26 01:50
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3 d5 15. exd6 Be6 16. Nc3 Qa5 17. d5 Qxa3 18. dxe6

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-28 23:35
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3 d5 15. exd6 Be6 16. Nc3 Qa5 17. d5 Qxa3 18. dxe6 Qxc3

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-08-29 07:24
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3 d5 15. exd6 Be6 16. Nc3 Qa5 17. d5 Qxa3 18. dxe6 Qxc3 19. d7+

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-09-01 05:17
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3 d5 15. exd6 Be6 16. Nc3 Qa5 17. d5 Qxa3 18. dxe6 Qxc3 19. d7+ Kd8

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Parent - - By zaarcis (**) [lv] Date 2012-09-03 08:21
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3 d5 15. exd6 Be6 16. Nc3 Qa5 17. d5 Qxa3 18. dxe6 Qxc3 19. d7+ Kd8 20. Ng5

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-09-09 08:26
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. d4 exd4 7. Qb3 Qf6 8. O-O Bb6 9. e5 Qg6 10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Qd1 Nf5 12. Bd3 Qh5 13. Bxf5 Qxf5 14. Ba3 d5 15. exd6 Be6 16. Nc3 Qa5 17. d5 Qxa3 18. dxe6 Qxc3 19. d7+ Kd8 20. Ng5 f5

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