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- - By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-14 14:29
Do they Disturb the Engines?
And if so, how can I disable them?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-06-15 08:14
Just set all of them (but System) to Low priority. You won't be able to do much while the engine is running, though.
Parent - - By magnumpi (**) Date 2012-06-17 19:28
Interesting. I've always closed all the background processes except the systems ones before running an engine match. Perhaps putting them at low priority would be enough
Parent - - By jammy (***) Date 2012-06-18 18:36
You may care to look at a prog called 'Game Booster' (just google it) this will also stop a lot of needless background stuff while you are in need of more power etc.
Parent - By magnumpi (**) Date 2012-06-18 21:06
Thanks, I'll take a look. I've just downloaded version 3.4.0
Parent - - By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-19 17:00 Edited 2012-06-19 17:08
I have been told by a Computer-Repair Expert that works at a Known Hospital here in the Netherlands that all those speed-up and Repair programs - Commercial and non-Commercial - are a lye, and can even hurt your System; however I doubt that all those Programs are a lye.
It's all so Controversial he.
Parent - - By jammy (***) Date 2012-06-19 17:59
Its not a speed up, rather a slow down, or stopping needless items running in the back ground, giving you more power to use. I would agree that there are some repair programs that do more harm than good, but not all, some are good at sorting out problems. Rather like anti-virus programs, some are a complete waste of money and do more harm than help. Anyway, just give it a go, and judge for yourself.
Parent - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2012-06-20 00:46
Tuneup is a good one for system maintenance.
Parent - - By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-19 17:09
Uly help
Parent - - By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-19 17:12
where to change what and Reduce and maybe Increase what?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-06-20 03:30
Click the Processes tab, then right-click the application you want to change, go over "Set Priority" and click on "Low". It'll give you a warning (because if you set everything to Low priority, then you will not do anything while the match is running), click Okay.

This all is not worth it though, the disturbance of the engines is minimal, I mean, I have Winamp using 2%-5% of thew CPU all day!
Parent - - By ernest (****) Date 2012-06-21 00:45

> go over "Set Priority" and click on "Low".


Uly, is there somewhere to find (or do you know) the precise difference between "Below Normal" and "Low"?

I find that when I run Houdini full-core, I have to set it to "Low" if I use Internet search at the same time.
("Below Normal" is not enough, still slows down my other tasks)
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-06-21 04:57 Edited 2012-06-21 04:59

> Uly, is there somewhere to find (or do you know) the precise difference between "Below Normal" and "Low"?


When two programs have to fight for resource, they share them. If a program is on Below Normal and the other is in Low, the Below Normal gets all the resources. It adds granularity.

>I find that when I run Houdini full-core, I have to set it to "Low" if I use Internet search at the same time.


>("Below Normal" is not enough, still slows down my other tasks)


Below Normal should be enough unless your other tasks are on Below Normal.

Sending your processes to below normal priority is only advised if you're not going to do anything while the computer is running, if you're going to surf the internet, then kill the applications you're not going to use and set engine and GUI to below normal.
Parent - By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-25 10:38
Yep, thank you
It won't be forgotten.
Parent - - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2012-06-19 17:24
Let's see those processes
Parent - - By kgburcham (***) Date 2012-06-21 01:55
Parent - - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2012-06-21 08:24
Not you, but LOL.

You and that beast of a system :-P
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-06-21 10:21
Huh? Isn't it that those 60cores are not very fast and actually you get less performance than with a 12core (due to loss on performance in parallel search, which makes me wonder if 32 of these cores would have a better performance for being a power of 2)?
Parent - - By kgburcham (***) Date 2012-06-21 10:32
I just switched HT on for the pic, ran the program in the start position just to show the 04 per process.
This was 12 cores with HT on, for 24 Rybka  processes.
Just looks weird, other programs show 1 process for the program while Rybka shows 1 process per core.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-06-21 15:18
I see.

Well, it's because Vas likes programming on processes, while all other programmers prefer threads.

Vas has been told that Rybka would run faster if he rewrote it to threads (and that it was a reason a previous version of Houdini was beating it), as it was noticed that Rybka was taking too long to move when compared to Houdini (lag between Rybka and GUI). Instead of rewriting the engine he introduced TCBuffer=3 so Rybka compensates for the lag (Rybka thinks she has less time than she really does), because he doesn't believe in the slowdown.
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2012-06-21 09:58
WTF? :eek:
Parent - By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-22 21:40 Edited 2012-06-22 21:44
Hallo jonge, jouw heb ik nog niet hier eerder Gezien.
lol, jij met je ' WTF ' haha voor mij zijn al die Technische dingen ook moeilijk, en dus ben ik er wel eens jaloers op dat hun dat allemaal weten en ik niet. Ach ja, ik heb en had, heb theoretisch nog steeds buiten Schaken om toch ook nog wel andere voordelen ( en nadelen; om dat er maar weer bij te zetten :slim: )
Netzo als jij..?

Wie zal het zeggen... Wie zal het zeggen...

* Ik weet dat iemand dit gaat vertalen *

* Nederlanders van volle en semi Nationaliteit, en Nederlanders met de Nederlandse Identiteit die ( en enkelvoud. Lekker Moeilijk :evil: )  dit lezen, niet verklappen dat ik dit al weet; daar moeten ze/zij/hij zelf achter komen xD *

*KLAAR*

[Wordt moeilijk met TekstVertaler trouwens]
Parent - - By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-22 21:43
Here you go on-route Sir
Parent - - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2012-06-23 00:13
Some of those HP ones look unnecessary.

Plugin-container always running with firefox? I guess it doesn't matter since you'd have FF off if you were running something heavy on the computer.

Can you click on 'show processes from all users'?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-06-23 03:48

> Some of those HP ones look unnecessary.


Unless he wants to print.

>Plugin-container always running with firefox?


It's only fired when it is needed but after that it resides in memory.

>I guess it doesn't matter since you'd have FF off if you were running something heavy on the computer.


He wants to surf the internet while the engine is running, I don't think changing applications' priorities will work for him.
Parent - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2012-06-23 06:29

>It's only fired when it is needed but after that it resides in memory.


Yes but I mean only in his case.

>Unless he wants to print.


God this is so horrible it makes me sick heh.

Yes as it turns out much to my surprise that _all_ of those hp ones are running for the printer system. Luckily:

"The user can still use the all-in-one printer or digital camera; however, he or she will have to manually transfer images or rely on software to perform printer actions instead of the physical buttons."

Source: http://techtips.salon.com/hp-digital-imaging-monitor-do-4531.html
Parent - - By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-25 10:44
Its about giving me the Best Engine Performance Possible, even if that would mean that I cannot use my Computer on that moment ( I can eat, Watch newsBroadCast, Douche etcetera etcetera on that moment )

Give me the Max, and I will see when I want the max, or lower.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2012-06-25 18:46
Please note you're probably winning about 1 elo after all the hassle. I don't think 1 elo is worth it.
Parent - - By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-25 10:10
Ok, thank you for Helping me with this and your Language :lol:
Parent - - By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-25 10:24
I hope that I can give the Below things, it is Diffecult to get, or maye even impossible.
Parent - By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-25 10:29
I Guess that it Worked :yell:
Parent - - By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-25 10:41
You and Uly are the final Bosses.
You and Uly give me the Final Conclusions about what is bad and what is good.

I gave you ' Show process from all Users '.
Parent - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2012-06-25 12:32 Edited 2012-06-25 12:35
Wowzers, 56 seems like too many.

I guess it isn't unusual actually:

http://windows7forums.com/windows-7-support/36040-number-processes-task-manager.html

I am just used to my 30 when idle in XP.

There a lot of tweak sites that can help you reduce this number, or you can google each one and see if it's necessary.

If you want to go a more user friendly route try TuneUp. I believe it has a performance tab that will look through all of this and give suggestions.

Even so most of this will just free up memory, not CPU which is what you're looking for to improve performance in chess engines. If a process seems to use plenty of CPU periodically, seriously consider turning that one off if its function is not vital.

In the screenshot it stockfish is using 95%, the rest being spent on SCID, and the windows desktop. If this is normally the case probably you are fine, it's only if some other program cuts in and takes like 8% for a bit that you might consider asking it to be off when you're doing chess analysis.
Parent - By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-25 10:37
Thanks for that.
I discovered something new due to you :smile:
- By Gizchehs Defender (***) Date 2012-06-22 21:45
exhibition-Match.
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