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Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-13 03:52
Very true.
So I should not opt for FX then ?
Intel 6 cores is tooooooooooooo costly. I need a decade to buy one or Marry another woman and use the dowry else :twisted:
I am only interested in IDeA analysis. Though I am better off analyzing in 8 single cores which is slow than 6 very very fast cores in mp engine.
Parent - By mindbreaker (****) Date 2012-06-13 09:06
What you have is reasonably current.  I would just try to solve the issue.  The longer you can make your machine last, the better your next one will be.  The chip is probably not dieing; it is probably the board getting too hot or the memory or the power supply is not working too well.  Or it could be as simple as bad thermal paste or dust buildup in the power supply.  I don't know but it is probably worth resolving.  Did you try a desk fan or a floor fan directly in the side of the case?  If air solves it then I would look for dust or bad case fans or possibly the memory is too hot or a component on the board.  Maybe you just overclocked too far or need to raise the CPU voltage tiny bit. That is always a risk but sometimes that is needed for stability.  You have to watch temperatures if you do, because more voltage means more power used and more heat to dissipate.

Make sure the memory is fully inserted and all the cards as well as any wires.  And make sure the board was secured filling all the screw holes.  Sometimes the screw holes are meant to ground things and if they are left out something is not properly grounded.

You also want to check your video card fan and insure it is still moving and not full of dust and lint.  They instal upside down so you don't usually see the fan when it is running.

If your board is an AM3+ board it can most likely run an 8-core chip.  If voltages are maxing out the power supply then the other chip could be worth the expense because it needs less power I think though officially it is the same.  I doubt I would bother if it is just an AM3 board.  And defiantly don't bother if you are not going to overclock.  With no overclock it will be slower than what you have.  Well, maybe not with Idea...not sure...but probably not worth the money.

There are some strange options other than the obvious 6-core Intel.  I considered 2, 6234 Interlagos chips http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113030&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131643

Unfortunately they don't have an affordable 16-core. But 2, 12-cores should be interesting even if it is not clocked very fast especially for IDEA.  But as I started to add up costs and it exceeded my budget...memory, 2 coolers...  But went over budget anyway.  Would have been depressing though to have a computer without any overclock.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-13 23:20
Gaming. Then a lot will depend on what you have for a Graphics card.
Parent - - By mindbreaker (****) Date 2012-06-13 01:37
The system I built was not particularly cheap: ~$1800 including 2 monitors, stands/arms, mouse.  It should now be a public wish list at Newegg under Mindbreaker.  Hmm, there may be a delay before it shows up.

And the keyboard could not be added because they do not carry it anymore http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823219001 (I like it, looks great with the computer case, both black metal mesh)

I can't heartily recommend every component I bought but here are the other components:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131735  (it killed my first chip an 1100T.  Be wary of its AI overclocking. I suggest doing it manually through the bios)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 (I should have bought a blu-ray burner. They are now reasonable.  But I think this has functioned fine)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441 (Just too small bought the 256 for my other computer: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-148-526)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107 (looks great, pleasure to build with, but is a bit loud, and bright when I am sleeping)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 (blew it here. I did not realize this version of Windows does not support large pages)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121077 (excellent...no complaints)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161377 (excellent...no complaints easily runs both monitors)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236174 (nice picture but to tell the truth I prefer conventional backlighting...easier on the eyes.  Also I felt like I was cheated as the things are too wide relative to height makes less surface area.  If I had known it would be so small I would have ordered larger probably 2, 27in ones.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824994080 (absolutely great! Already had 2 24 in monitors on the first computer.  Did not think I would have room for 2 more but these arms let me. And I can move them just about anywhere I can reach when in my chair.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105368 (operates great for the most part. It does have an extremely sensitive wheel and annoyingly Fritz interface loves to jump from move to move if it gets bumped which is very annoying when analyzing a position deeply. It should not do that unless the cursor is over the notion window in my opinion.  Don't know how many times i have lost something that was sitting for 8 hours or more.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103960 (as my 1100T was assassinated by the Asus AI, and I was dissatisfied with its performance anyway and had no faith the next one would be any better I decided to opt for the 8150.  I am much more satisfied.  It only calculates 1,000-1,500 kn/s faster when both are overclocked to their limits at very solid stability levels.  My 1100T only went to 3900mhz while the 8150 goes to 4300mhz.  And with water I suspect can get further.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 (I bought for less than $60 just before the floods and saved it until my build ;)  Conventional hard drive prices have come back to reality somewhat. It is now $80.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231568 (A mistake I think. I should have bought faster memory. I wanted to have the option of 32GB of RAM but I paid a premium for those high density 8GB modules. They work fine.)

I also bought another water pump but have not bought the water block or the tubing.  I figure I can put another copper coil in the big water drum outside.

Anyway, that is my build.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-13 03:05
Hi , Mindbreaker thanks.
But I cant buy from Newegg. So please suggest me to buy from either www.flipkart.com or www.primeabgb.com.

Please If you have time suggest parts from there.
Thanks in advance.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-13 07:14
A simple way to check is Task Manager Performance CPU Usage History. 

If you ran memtest and found no errors generated after say 3 passes -it isn't ram!

As long as you don't have sticks with differing cas latency, timings and voltage stuck in there you should be okay!  
I would look else where for your issues.

Some will run prime95 stress test  to see if there are any errors produced in one of the cores. However, if it is an old cpu- I wouldn't do it . Heat is the number one killer of a cpu and stress testing will produce heat.

I would do the simplest things first-like uninstall the GUI and Houdini give everything a clean install.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-13 08:29

>If you ran memtest and found no errors generated after say 3 passes -it isn't ram!


No Idea About this . I ran 3 passes on all 4 modules I have and no errors in Memtest86+ 4.20.

>I would do the simplest things first-like uninstall the GUI and Houdini give everything a clean install.


I have installed Windows XP 64 bit and everything is running fine. But Mouse freezing still exists.
Parent - - By mindbreaker (****) Date 2012-06-13 09:15
Did you change priority of the engine once it is loaded? If you change it to low in the task manger then the mouse will probably work again, you can browse websites listen to music and whatnot.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-13 09:33
After 1st booting mouse freezes. Restart and everything becomes fine.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-13 17:45
You might have needed an updated driver. Nothing more. If you were connected to the internet on reboot it may have updated that driver. Maybe! If that was the issue to begin with.

Look in Device Manager for anything that is hanging if this reoccurs.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-14 01:50
All the drivers are updated. No yellow exclamation marks.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-13 17:49
Did you download the correct display drivers?
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-14 01:48
Yes. ASUS has given a OEM software to detect Driver automatically and suggest/download it.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-13 17:42 Edited 2012-06-13 17:47
Mouse freezing is usual a driver issue with one of the hardware.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-14 01:54
Oh!!.
But tell me sometimes my system does not boot. When I see in bios it has not detected the HDD. Then i open case and resit the SATA cables and It detects. Some times It detects in BIOS still system dont boot.
After resetting uusing the reset button it boots again. Also the mouse was freezing in Safe Mode and while Installing Windows 7. I had to format again and install windows 7.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-06-14 02:55
The problem may be solved if you sacrifice three virgins, a chicken, and a goat!
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-14 03:00
sacrifice 3 virgins,thinking how difficult are them to find?is a non sense :smile:
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-06-14 03:37
If it were easy, anybody could do it! :smile:
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-14 03:40
yes...that is why a they are so hard to find and soo valued :smile:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-14 03:02
If he has three virgins! Dump the computer! F**k all day!  Cook the chicken for dinner , and make goats milk cheese.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-06-14 03:36
You're not fooling me! You'd be ****ing the chicken!
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-14 16:10
Only you would have thought of that! :wink:
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-06-14 03:37
And the goat, too!
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-14 06:32
No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-14 16:17
Alan, right now has his priorities confused - focusing on animals should cue you in,  instead of the virgins. Mentioning  vaginal warts in another thread ,  he thinks Buddhist temples. I think he is suffering from post Hyatt debate syndrome. :cry::twisted:
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-14 16:18
LMAO :yell:
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-14 06:30
Wat an Idea Sirji!!!.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-14 06:29
Uh Oh!!. Assembling a new one is easier. :neutral:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-14 02:56
Do you have any other cables you can try to make sure the cables aren't the issue and not the hard drive? If you put the cables on- do you feel the hard drive spin when it doesn't boot?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-14 06:20
Ya I changed the cables. I dont hear any rattling sound from drives .
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-14 16:12
It might be your hard drive. Maybe!
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-14 16:17
Thats what I think so. Tommorow I am going to change it and report you. Lets see.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-14 16:37
Were you able to backup any of your data prior to this happening?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-15 00:58
I have backed up everything. One problem is my games running in WBCCC 2.
If I not play fast, That Nato will start making me running out of time!!!.
So I feel I should go for another cheap set up of CPU+MObo+PSU+RAM+CABINET as a
replacement and send all the parts as a warranty claim. But what should I buy ? I am in tight budget. Any suggestions ?
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-15 01:01
but a i7,you can have 4 cores running at 3.6 Gz for less than 900 dollars
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-15 01:09
And within that with FX 8120 I get 8 cores for Analysis with windows 8 knocking at the door.(Single Cores Matter much to me)
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-15 01:16
well,think that i dont use iDea,i use IA...

so for me,what means is the total 'power' of all the cores,not every single core Om
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-15 01:29
I have the option of using both.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-15 01:34
well Robert,im a poor guy,not rich...

i also wish that i can have that 2 options,but i havent
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-15 01:37
You already stated that you have no use for Aquarium-so it isn't a matter of a few dollars spent.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-15 01:41
no,i never used aquarium...i tried one time,and when i saw all the parameters that can be changed,i thought is better idea dont try to use aquarium,because i will need at least 6 months to fully master aquarium,and i havent that time (also i have games running)

so for me,works better a i7 with 6 cores,than 6 computers with 1 core,even at the same speed
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-15 01:48
Now, what are you talking about?

You said yourself that you have IA.  For $37.  you can learn at your own pace how to work IDeA and have a more comprehensive arsenal of chess analyzing tools at your disposal. No excuse there.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-15 01:53
i tried iDea,and i found too dificult to master it

im usint IA  with good results since i play correspondence chess,from 6 years ago

and apart from that,if i start making experiments with my running games here or at LSS (the only sites where i play),im sure i will losse near all my games until i understand how iDea works
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-15 01:49
What are you running now? Actually, what I should ask is what are you running on now besides caffeine.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-15 01:54
im sorry,but i dont understand you,so i cant give an answer Robert

what you mean with your statement?
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-15 02:02
I'm being sarcastic! You stated you haven't the time - well stop drinking so much java. (settle down take some time)
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-15 02:04
ah...Robert,usually,if you are sarcastic,i wont understand your sarcasm...

if i stop drinking caffeine,i will have less time,since i will sleep more time,dont you think?
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-15 02:05
No! Caffeine doesn't help anyone to focus.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-15 02:07
you are wrong...

an excess of caffeine is wrong for everyone,but if you take a small ingest of caffeine,is good;it help to focus,to remember better,to put more 'things' in your memory,etc...

used in low dosage,is good,not bad
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-15 02:08
You stated that you drink 20 cups a day!:roll:

You're wired!
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