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- - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-05 12:28
Deep Fritz 13 available from tomorrow.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2012-06-05 14:01
Ah hah.

And that will include the cloud stuff...?
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-05 14:14
Is it worth purchasing?
Parent - - By rocket (****) Date 2012-06-05 17:34
"Is it worth purchasing? "

Current Fritz engines  from version 11 are "suspected":grin: to be weaker clones of Rybka 2.32.  This is surely why they don't participate in tournaments anymore also since they would'nt be allowed.

Of course the speculation is that they made it slightly weaker from rybka 2 to make still Rybka the top gun and not interfer with Vas marketing for that product(which chessbase were very grateful to get their hands on).


You can also see how they are slowly making their way for each version to the exact rating of rybka 2.32:) no trouble for Vas anymore since R3 was such a big improvement.

Check the ponderhits between R2 and Fritz 11.....
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-05 18:35
I know it is well below other engines i was just thinking of the Fritz GUI
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2012-06-05 19:15

> Is it worth purchasing?


The cloud idea works like it says: I got my 12 core machine working fine through my slow laptop.

It all depends on whether Cluster Rybka is available to rent, that would be the clincher.
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-05 20:12
Could well be worth it? Plus you get 12 months Playchess membership.

I also have 12 core machine but no other computers other then my wife's and daughters which i cannot use.
Parent - - By Gaмßito (****) Date 2012-06-05 21:10
Werewolf,

I know that it's difficult to make some right guesses but I'm curious and need to make you a question:

Who is stronger for you, Houdini 2.0c x64 running on your 12 cores computer, or the Cluster Rybka on 40 cores that you rented about a year ago? And if the Cluster is stronger, by how much?

Also: how many KN/s in the start position is displaying Houdini 2.0c on your 12 cores computer?

Regards,
Gaмßito.
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-05 22:07
I'm getting 26,000 KN/s and still rising from start position on my machine.
Parent - - By Gaмßito (****) Date 2012-06-05 22:40

> I'm getting 26,000 KN/s and still rising from start position on my machine.


That's impressive. What kind of hardware do you have exactly?

Regards,
Gaмßito.
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 19:38 Edited 2012-06-06 19:44
My hardware is not quite as good as werewolf.

12 core X5650 o/c to 3.8

24GB ram

240GB SSD hard drive

2TB second hard drive
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-06 20:03
you have a 12 core computer with 24 Gb of RAM? :eek:

give me one computer so i will be able to retire that dinosaur that i have :razz:
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 20:21
Yes i do have such a beast. Many have better machines then that on this forum.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-06 20:22
better machines than a 12 cores with 24 Gb of RAM?i doubt Mark
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 20:24
National12 and Werewolf just to name two have 12 core machines but o/c to more then 3.8
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-06 20:25
oh...

i mean computer with more than 12 cores...for example,a 16 or 32 core system
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 20:54
That will be my next computer.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-06 20:56
:eek::cry:

i have envy...
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 20:59
32 core that is:cool::lol::mad:
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-06 21:02
32 core?...:eek::eek::eek::eek::cry::cry::cry::cry:

i will the happiest guy on this world if only i can get a quad running at 3.2....

good luck with your new computer when you will buy it Mark :smile:
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 21:14
Cheers, unfortunately it won't be for a while yet.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-06 21:16
dont worry Mark,you have a very good computer with that 12 cores :smile:
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 21:19
I am happy with it. I'm just hungry for more cores.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-06 21:28
more cores?i think is a waste of money...

12 cores is a very good computer Mark...but of course,if you can afford it,32 cores better than 12 cores,of course
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 21:31
Cannot afford it but i do have many credit cards.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-06 21:37
well,seems that im the only poor guy here at forum...
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 21:45
Just because i have credit cards does not mean i'm rich, it just means i'm a fool.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-06 21:48
oh no,i never said that for the credit cards;everyone that can buy a 32 core system,is rich for me
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 21:51
It all has to be paid up at sometime.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-06 22:01
sorry,i dont understand you
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 22:11
Credit cards the debt has to be paid at sometime in the future.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-06 22:14
if one bank gives soo much credit cards,and the person is able to buy in the near future a 32 core system,and at least for me,that person is rich...maybe not millionaire,but rich
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 22:21
Well i'm not rich at all i just have a good credit history which allows me to get into more debt.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-06 22:26
that is why i told you i envy you :smile:
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 22:30
Don't envy debt believe me.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-06-06 22:32
i dont envy the debt,i envy the capacity of pay that debt Mark
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2012-06-06 21:45
If you're looking to save up for something new I'd skip the Sandy Bridge E5 Xeons and save for either the Ivy Bridge Xeons, or better yet the Haswell Xeons (2014?). I read an interesting article the other day (on Tom's hardware I think) which looked very interesting. Basically they were saying that 20 core systems @ 4GHz should be possible.

The main argument was that the stagnation at the top (no AMD chip can put up a fight) should end in a year or two with Nvidia wading in on ARM architecture. Of course it's all speculation...but fun.
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 21:48
I am looking to save up, i will have to keep an eye out for your posts as you seem to have vast knowledge on this subject.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2012-06-06 21:51

> i will have to keep an eye out for your posts as you seem to have vast knowledge on this subject.


Ha! C/P to someone like Lukas I know very little.
But I read a lot.
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) Date 2012-06-06 21:54
Everyone has little knowledge compared to Lukas.:lol:
Parent - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2012-06-06 07:05 Edited 2012-06-06 07:11

> Who is stronger for you, Houdini 2.0c x64 running on your 12 cores computer, or the Cluster Rybka on 40 cores that you rented about a year ago? And if the Cluster is stronger, by how much?


I tested the Cluster with a small game sample, but here is my guess: I would say Houdini 2.0c x64 Pro running on a 4.25GHz 12 core is about 40 elo weaker than the 40 Core Rybka Cluster from 1 year ago.

> Also: how many KN/s in the start position is displaying Houdini 2.0c on your 12 cores computer?


Starts at about 26,000 - 27,000 and rises to about 30,000 - 31,000 after a few minutes with 2 gig hash. (with 512 MB hash it starts at about 28,000 Kn/s and rises to 30,000-31,000)
Parent - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2012-06-07 16:19
Here's another result:

G1+1
Deep Fritz 13 (12) v Deep Rybka 4.1 (12)
5 - 15
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2012-06-05 14:07
OK, I've read the ad - it looks good. Can someone from the Rybka team (Lukas?) clarify if the rental will include access to the private version of Rybka and if so what the options are in terms of price and contract length etc etc?
Parent - - By Regularuser (***) Date 2012-06-05 14:35
And will this be the main way for users to access cloud Rybka?    Or even the only way?
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2012-06-05 14:56

> And will this be the main way for users to access cloud Rybka?    Or even the only way?


Two good questions....
Parent - By MasterGreg (**) Date 2012-06-05 19:45
Parent - - By Regularuser (***) Date 2012-06-09 06:56
We may have good questions but so far no good answers :(
Parent - - By Homayoun_Sohrabi_M.D. (***) Date 2012-06-10 16:44
Looks like chessbase has put out a few youtube videos on their new cloud product.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQcLGMJ7OEY  and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM5buYQeOMg

there are at least 3 more instructions videos, I am sure the interested person can easily find those links.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-10 18:53 Edited 2012-06-10 20:30
I'm almost willing to believe that ChessBase ran that April Fools Rybka Cloud article as a forethought to having  published  their Cloud system. One way to draw attention to it.:wink:
Parent - - By Ingo (***) Date 2012-06-10 19:42
The best with that videos is the proper english!!!

Even I as a non native speaker are able to understand that ... much in contrary to some english jibberish coming from ... abroad :-)

Regards
Ingo
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